Pine cone= pine tree= tall= spear, I dunno, they really were fishing for anything at that point.

Well, I said I like to think that way, clearly the show had different ideas...I mean, what even is Budou.

Regardless, bolas would be a unique weapon and they fit the cherry motif perfectly, so I'm sticking with that. I can see how an axe may work, but that'd be really contrived.

Since regular Melon Arms had a shield Melon Energy should've had an upgrade to Melon's shield like how Kurokage Shin had an upgrade to the regular Kurokage's weapon.

Please don't get me started on Kurokage Shin. That was so incredibly lazy I just want to smash my head against something.

Toei made way too many Kurokage suits. Even Mr. space god Kouta had a matsubokkuri chestplate because...budget. Kurokage Shin is in a lazy level of its own though. They could have at least like. Tried recoloring it a little but. Naaaahhh let's just use the same damn suit.

Or remove a pauldron or change them, something, ANYTHING, just make it look different from the regular Kurokage suit. I'd settle for a different Ride Wear!

They're so strong that they have less abilities and diversity than normal Lock Seeds? Huh?


So, do oranges normally cut things? Grapes shoot things? I never thought the fruit/nut in question reflected the weapon, the weapons were just creatively patterned on the fruit.

Basically, the lockseeds themselves put out so much power that adding additional armaments is both pointless and impractical, if not outright dangerous. You'd basically be going well over what the Driver is capable of handling; hence why you even need a Genesis Driver to use a Energy lock to its full abilities. The Genesis Core addon for the Sengoku Driver is basically an attenuator that lowers the Lockseed's output to a level the SD can actually handle.

-Apples and oranges are both fruits cut into slices, hence both having slicing weapons.
-There's a type of burst ammunition called a Grapeshot.
-Strawberries are shaped a little like the blade of a Kunai.
-When a Mango is traditionally cut and opened, the square shapes look like one half of a blunt mace weapon.
-Pineapple looks like the end of a spiked flail.
-Kurokage's lance is like a Pine needle. (that's my best guess.)
-The end of a Acorn can be fashioned to look like the head of a blunt hammer.
-etc...

Personally I think it's pretty clear that the majority of the weapon selections were inspired by the fruit they belong to in some way. For most of these, obviously the fruit was decided first, the choice of weapon came later to reflect the said fruit. Not the other way around.

Sigurd and Knuckle are too far way....BANDAI GIVE ME MORE GAIM FIGUART NEWS http://www.bet.com/content/betcom/ne...-chappelle.jpg

Anything can be cut into slices. I accociate both of those with peeling, not slicing.

That's reaching. Especially when bananas are famous for being held like guns. (and phones)

I stand corrected, this is reaching. Because they don't. They look like strawberries.

No, they look like squares of mango. Also, "one half of a blunt mace weapon." The Mango Punsisher has scalloped blades on it, nothign blunt about it.

Does it, though? Looks more like a pineapple to me.

But it doesn't look like one. It's clearly a normal spear with a pinecone on the base of the blade.

Anything can be fashioned to look like a hammer.

Except you could take literally every single fruit listed and make the exact opposite weapon out of it. Except Suika arms, since it's size is obviously based on how big watermelons are compared to most fruit.

That still doesn't make any sense, and the show never said anything like that. (and Gaim was a show that explained as much as humanly possible) Lock Seeds aren't real, they could've given them unique weapons and that excuse wouldn't factor in. They all still have weapons, what makes a bow and arrow able to contain the power more than, like, a club or a sword or a gun? You're acting like what you said in any way makes logical sense in the real world or Gaim's fake world.

I mean, Kachidoki was more powerful than the Energy Lock Seeds and it had it's own weapon.

I know right? Or just KR Figuarts news in general. I feel an antsing in the bowels of my soul.

Aren't Energy Lockseeds more artificial than standard ones though? They're more powerful, but Yggdrasil might not gotten so far advanced with them as to give them all unique weapons.

Meanwhile Kachidoki was created by a godlike being, so naturally thats going to be more powerful and get its own weapon.

That's a better explanation than "they're too powerful to have unique weapons." Though it still kinda falls flat, since the Sengoku drivers are what transform the fruit into Lock Seeds as well as transform their energy into armour/weapons, so Yggdrasil was still responsible for those. The armour/weapons aren't something Helheim produced by itself.

But of course all of this is conjecture, and the real reason is Bandai didn't make individual weapons due to lack of budget or lack of planning. Still, there's nothing in-universe that logically prohibits the ELS' from having unique weapons.

That's true, I was just more putting forward the idea that if the Energy Lockseeds weren't so far ahead as the standard variety, that the Sonic Arrow was the best Yggdrasil had come up with so far to accommodate that level of power. It's a melee and a range weapon all in one, so it might have just been left at that as everyone turned their attention toward bigger things.

But yeah, this is all just trying to apply an excuse as to why it didn't happen rather than a genuine reason why it couldn't.

You're being extremely over cynical, here. Talk about reaching. You're denying everything I say without any kind of solid argument or evidence. You're just being stubborn and disagreeing because you want to.

Now go ahead, make your predictable quippy comeback post. I'm ready. :rolleyes

To be fair though, Ryoma did say that the main reason the Sengoku Drivers have all of those unique catchphrases is for his own amusement (basically). The Genesis Drivers in comparison are no-nonsense, less gimmicky versions of the prototypes. I'd imagine Ryoma wanted to keep the most powerful Rider gear amongst him and his colleagues so that the power wouldn't be used against him.

That being said the Sonic Arrow pretty much covers everything you'd need in a weapon, and in that regard doesn't sacrifice functionality and practicality for the sake of gimmicky weapons.

Of course this is just my way of making sense of something that was likely only done to save money. :lol

Well, if you think about it, the Sengoku Drivers went to a bunch of teens. And the Genesis Drivers went to adults. During the fight between Sigurd and Gaim, Sigurd said "Adults don't have times for dreams", or something along that line. He also said "You should have stuck to the script we gave you".


My personal opinion is that I think the reason why the Sengoku Driver was given to the Beat Dancers because they were gimmicky and Ryoma saw them as kids. Gimmicks tend to be more for kids. While the Genesis Drivers were given to the adults because they weren't gimmicky. *shrugs* My opinion only.

On the other hand.

Fight! Power! Fight! Power! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! F-f-f-f-fight!

Well he did design that one for his own use...

Dude, you can't compare apples and oranges to each other.

Yup I was thinking that myself.

A couple questions about Hibiki, as I just started the show and was considering buying him:

How durable is he? I think it was Split Lip who had one of the wrists snap off; is this a common issue? I've also heard about fragility with his horns.

Also, what quality is his paint? Has anyone had any issues with flaking/chipping? Thanks in advance.

Mine is super solid. The hands haven't been a problem at all for me to swap. The horns are certainly thin and sharp, but as long as you're careful enough to avoid a fatal shelf dive, I'm sure they're fine.

The only place where the paint is a bit dodgy for me is under the thigh armor. Out of the box, the paint tends to stick under there and when you rotate the thighs for the first time, a little bit of the purple underneath flakes off to reveal some silver. Unless you rotate the legs completely outward it's not very noticeable, though. I'm not even sure how common a problem it is, either. Also the black wash on the hands sometimes leaves black smudges on my fingers when I swap them. :p

Okay, so I guess it should be fine as long as I'm careful. I'm really enjoying the show right now, kind of dreading the major changes around the halfway point. I'll add him to the list of shf's to get. Thanks! :thumb:

Yeah, My Hibiki's wrists broke. I keep my Figuarts in the basement, where it's cooler, and honestly I feel like it' just a matter of time before the other hand breaks. The pegs are ridiculously small and not ball joints, so keep it in a warmer, upper floor area so the hands maintian their rubberiness for easier swapping.

Otherwise he's perfect. Unfortunately mine fell and blunted one of his horns. Nothing they could've done to avoid it, just a freak accident but I had to sand them both down to not-perfect ends. It's a shame that the figure's so amazing, yet my copy is rendered virtually useless by a dead left hand and ruined portrait. As long as you're more careful than me, you'll be riding high with a wonderful, wonderful figure.

Yet the Genesis drivers are exactly as gimmicky as the Sengoku drivers. They play techno beats. (which honestly feels more like the beat riders) They have soda bubbles in the armour and bendy straws on the driver.

Also, the Sengoku drivers were still handed out to Takatora and the Yggdrasil guards. And Ryouma admitted that he liked the gimmicks of the drivers, like the little phrases. And again, Lock Seeds and Sengoku drivers aren't real. They're toys for kids, and the Sonic Arrow plague was really lame by that standard. Whatever not-actually-explained-in-the-show-explanations there are, it doesn't change the fact that they're really boring.

My Hakaider 3-pack just shipped. As one of my most eagerly anticipated figures of the year I'm very excited to get that in hand :D

In fairness, you already have the figures twice, ;P

To sell toys. There's your answer since you're so keen on shooting down any and all speculation. The reason they gave the Sonic Arrow to so many riders is because they wanted to sell toys. And again, seeing as it's so freaking impossible to find one at a decent price, clearly it worked.

And you know full well I'd keep buying them, I still want the mass production version from the anime too :p

Exactly. What I'm saying it that sucks and the Energy Riders would've been way better with weapon variety. I know what the reason is, I've been saying this whole time what the reason is, but "reason" does not mean "adequecy."

I'm fine with the energy riders having the same weapon. It just made it feel like a higher thing only a few can have.

All these kids with there fruit toys and the adults with this bad ass bladed bows.

"Only a few" is like seven different characters/forms.

And it's not really badass at all, it's just a tech bow/arrow. It has no motif, no creative design. It functions like any other toy bow and arrow, limits posing ability, and just looks gross with so many characters weilding it. It aesthetically clashes where the unique weapons didn't.

"All these kids with their fruit weapons" is massively more entertaining, creative, and fun than these so-called "adults" and their one lame ass weapon that the show said is cool, but really isn't.

Color-scheme and design of the Genesis Driver is the motif, which is a futuristic, mechanical design with clear bendy straw elements. The Sonic Arrow perfectly fits the Driver, which is fitting to the story since the Driver is built to work with artificial lockseeds, so the new weapon implemented looks like the Driver design-wise.

That's BS and you know it. They obviously put a lot of thought into the design and functionality and it shows.

Because it is a bow and arrow. What should it do to be different? A bow and arrow shoots people, they implemented blades so it can be used as a sword-like weapon. What else could a bow do that isn’t completely ridiculous?

On what? The SHF's? If so then that's also BS.

Eh.. what?

Don't think so. It fits the belt perfectly just like the other unique weapons fit their armor perfectly. If the weapons "aesthetically clash" with all the suits then the Genesis Driver does the same. And in continuation the Sengoku Driver for the basic armor, just because it isn't sharing every aesthetic of every armor.

This isn't like you dude. I remember thanking you on TFW because you always go up against the idiots who can't stop shit talking about a toy or a design. Lately I always see you in conflicts which you'd normally try to avoid and prevent.

I assume he means "posing variety" rather than ability?

Even if you were to include Mitsuzane's time as Zangetsu-Shin (and I wouldn't since he was just using his brother's gear, so it makes sense that he'd have the same weapon), the number of Sonic Arrow forms wouldn't even comprise half of the total number of the show's forms. And when you consider that 3 of the Riders in the show weren't even suppose to have access to energy drivers in the first place, I could very well see that the Sonic Arrow was only intended for a select few.

Nothing about that makes it not badass.

It does have a motif. It's suppose to replicate the design of the Genesis Driver.

That's because it's a bow and arrow. Do you complain about Gridon's hammer just being a hammer? Or Baron's lance just being a lance? Or Ryugen's gun just being a gun?

It has about as much posing ability as virtually any other weapon.

There's like 5 characters in the show that use it in any consistent basis.

How does it clash? It was quite literally designed to match one of the most instantly noticeable parts of any Kamen Rider design.

That's all subjective, man. Stop shutting down other people's opinions with your own opinions.

But that's not nearly as unique as the normal weapons. It just looks like normal techy-wepaon stuff.

How? It's just a bow and arrow. Not even, it's a toy bow and arrow, which is to say it lacks the arrow part. It's like Kuuga Pegasus' gun.

Nothing,

Like ZeoRanger said, I meant "variety." You're gonna be hard pressed to find distinct poses between all the Energy riders.

"Gross" as in "grossly disproportionate" or "grossly overdone." I don't know what I meant to put there, I didn't mean gross as in like a booger or something, but I guess I left out the important part of that descriptor.


The Genesis driver is also a small piece of equipement. Just because they share an aesthetic doesn't mean they'll both clash. A tiny little driver that's an accent piece at best isn't the same as the bigass weapon posing revolves around. The only riders I think decently pull of the Sonic Arrow are Baron and Marika, since the red gels with their colours. (Siguard kinda works, but he's more of a blood red and hsi suit colour is more drab) On everyone else it's like they took someone else's weapon.

It takes two to tango, bro. (or in this case like four or five) All I said is I didn't like the Sonic Arrow and wished everyone had unique weapons. That literally would've been that if their weren't scads of folks trying to shut me up. Which I don't mind, but you can't villainize me without also villainizing yourself and everyone else. My position is not inherantly immoral or objectively unjustified.

Seems like you're only saying this because you don't agree with me.

And yet they all became major players. Most of the middle fights of the show only include the Sonic Arrrow. Considering Giam, Baron and the energy Riders were all mainstay characters until the latter chunk, with almost all Sengoku wearers falling to the background, it was still heavily disproportionate.

No, it's overuse makes it not badass. If it was one person's weapon, it'd be fine, but like big budget CGI in action films, it quickly looses it's p'zazz with saturation. But really, as a main weapon, none of those aspects are cool enoughto justify it's use.

Again, it matches one small part of the design. That hardly makes it a good fit for, say, the guy that's all black and dark blue now.

Except everyone one of those examples is only used by one person. (not counting Kiwami because that's it's whole gimmick, afterall)

Except again, that's really limiting things when you realise just how many main charatcers used it.

And they're the main five characters.

How does the Sonic Arrow match the helmets or armour? You mean the belt? No way is the belt the most noticable part of any Rider design. It's a focal point, but especially in Gaim, the torso and head are always the most recognisable part.

Then why are they allowed to? I'm doing nothing different from everyone else.

Yeah it's subjective, everything is subjective. Just because I don't pointlessly drop an asinine "IMO" after every sentence doesn't mean I think otherwise. You know that, I know that. Nobody else is saying "in my opinion."

You're clearly being WAY more aggressive than anyone else. It's not that you're just fronting your opinions, it's that you're doing it in such a "your own opinions are flawed and you're stupid for it" kind of way. Compared to the rest, you're coming across as excessively hostile, here.

...By the way. Remember when this thread was about S.H. Figuarts and not a pointless argument about silly weapons? Seems distant now.

How so? Is it my post size? Because I'd cut it down but I don't want to just ignore people or parts of their posts.

Then that's a personal problem, because I'm not. I didn't even do the "pick apart people's posts in a billion quotes" thing. They did that to me. They started twisting logic, changing examples, vehemently defending every single angle of the thing.

Remember when all I said was "I'm sick of the Sonic Arrow I wish they just had more unique weapons" and people just couldn't let me have that? It's not like I never talk about how much I love Gaim, I have Lemon Energy Baron sitting in my cart right now waiting for pay day, one little criticism shouldn't matter.

Alright guys, let's please get back on topic about Figuarts, if there is any need to further discuss the weapons, it'd probably be best to make its own thread so we don't further derail this one, okay? :)