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KyoryuGreen 03-26-2014 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by EnerPrime (Post 330986)
I think you're severly underestimating Decade's power levels here. He can use the powers of Kuuga Ultimate form, Shining Agito, Ryuki Survive, Faiz Blaster, Blade King, Armed Hibiki, Hyper Kabuto, Den-O Liner and Emperor Kiva. In his first fight with Complete Form he bested Ryuga, Dark Kabuto and Orga. (Alternate versions, sure, but there's no reason to assume they are any less powerful than the originals.)

Basicly for any non main Rider from Agito to Kiva vs Decade, ask yourself if that Rider could beat that series' Main Rider in their strongest form. The answer to that question is the answer to whether they could beat Decade.

Though if you're going from the standpoint of Decade only being able to use his base form and associated powers, you're probably right. But using that metric is pretty meaningless, because it's like saying that Kiva could beat Fourze if Kiva was in Emperor form with the Zanbat sword and Fourze could only use the first four switches.

I see your point, I was underestimating Decade's powers but I honestly believe he couldn't beat most of the characters I said. Though if you go Kuuga Ultimate vs Blade King Form, or Agito Shining Form vs OOO Super TaToBa or Chalice Wild Form vs Emperor Kiva; I could honestly tell you who would win. Honestly in fights like this I always say it's about motivation. What they are fighting for always makes the difference. Say Agito and Decade fought and Agito was more motivated in the fight he would beat Decade but if Decade was more motivated he would beat Agito. When power is equal than motivation and skill matters more.

Locke 03-26-2014 08:34 AM
Why, is Tsukasa also a charismatic and proactive Rider? We need more of those.

Spirals 03-26-2014 08:42 AM
Doesn't Super TaToBa have the ability to stop time? If so, I can't see Tsukasa being able to beat that.

Gonna have to also agree that Tsukasa probably would lose to Kuuga and Kabuto...maybe Agito too.

Really, like someone said, it's also about a characters motivation during the fight.

Switchblade 03-26-2014 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 331475)
Why, is Tsukasa also a charismatic and proactive Rider? We need more of those.
No, he's more like a watered down Tendou. With progressively silllier hair.

Decade as a show can be fun, but it was plagued with production problems that included the main writer leaving halfway through and the new guy having no idea what the story was supposed to be (or possibly even caring). It has some good moments, though, and the fight scenes are usually excellent.

Locke 03-26-2014 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 331482)
No, he's more like a watered down Tendou. With progressively silllier hair.

Decade as a show can be fun, but it was plagued with production problems that included the main writer leaving halfway through and the new guy having no idea what the story was supposed to be (or possibly even caring). It has some good moments, though, and the fight scenes are usually excellent.
Man I knew this show was a poor representation of the franchise, but it's like the more I read about this the more horrible it becomes.

MaskedRiderAsakura 03-26-2014 02:59 PM
Wataru described Decade better than anyone else can:


"Decade has no story."

Switchblade 03-26-2014 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura (Post 331613)
Wataru described Decade better than anyone else can:


"Decade has no story."
Every time someone says that I want to smack them.

Decade had a story. It was a bad story, it was a story that fell apart, and it was a story with no ending. But it was a story.

Galvantula 03-26-2014 04:35 PM
Might as well throw in my two cents on this:

Unless you're really fast, can stop time or are able to disable his Driver I doubt anyone could beat Decade. The man has Mary Sue levels of powers and a willingness to use them.

He's basically a vehicle for Toei to get people to care about Kamen Rider. Of course he's gonna be the best. Though if Gaim can get a upgrade that doesn't bog him down speed wise he might have a shot at kicking KRD's magenta ass.

Matrixbeast 03-26-2014 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 331649)
Might as well throw in my two cents on this:

Unless you're really fast, can stop time or are able to disable his Driver I doubt anyone could beat Decade. The man has Mary Sue levels of powers and a willingness to use them.

He's basically a vehicle for Toei to get people to care about Kamen Rider. Of course he's gonna be the best. Though if Gaim can get a upgrade that doesn't bog him down speed wise he might have a shot at kicking KRD's magenta ass.
Or they could just bullshit his wins for him.
Like have Kabuto literally stand around waiting to die. Or Skyrider be unable to pull a 90 degree turn midair to dodge the attack.

It's whatever advances the plot. Decade's notable trait is that he can't transform into Showa characters and that his transformations will leave his belt the same.
Until the plot needs him to become Ichigou and have his belt transform alongside him.

If Decade needs to do something, he'll gain that power, even if it directly contradicts his own power's rules.
If Decade needs to win a fight, he'll gain the ability to beat his enemy, even if his enemy is, canonically, perfect.

KamenRiderRevenge 03-26-2014 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 331475)
Why, is Tsukasa also a charismatic and proactive Rider? We need more of those.
His fan nickname is "Dickeido." So, not really.


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