Anyone else realize how divisive we are getting over freakin' cubes?

Den-O covered what I originally came here to say.

It's not even about aesthetics. I don't mind the eight-bit look in and of itself. I've recently gotten into retro gaming, so if anything? I would dig an eight-bit look if done in an appealing way.
These just aren't. The stacking three cubes to form a combined mode is the height of lazy design, and the flip change gimmick does nothing for me.

I get that it's a gimmick, and I get that it's not for everyone. And I fall into the group that doesn't care for it.
Still? There are ways to do an eight-bit look that don't indulge in such a dip in engineering quality.

If you like these? All the power to you. I feel like this represents the bottoming out of Super Sentai as a "genre" of robot toys on an engineering level.

The thing that bugs me is that the peeps who dig the cubes aren't content with "it's something different and I like it."
That's fair, and I won't try to tell someone they're wrong over an aesthetic preference or personal taste.

They take it further than that though, by trying to claim they're actually more advanced than figures that they really aren't. And then wallpapering over points that are so blatant even their spin doctoring can't overcome. Like LF's bit about Sentai mechs usually having limited possibility in the legs, so why not make them fused?
Why not make them fused LF? Well because it looks terrible and cheap for starters. The whole thing comes off like a desperate attempt from a niche fanbase (that exists within an already niche fanbase) to justify devolved engineering.
Again, like it if you want. That's your prerogative. Just stop trying to tell us how we're all really wrong for not agreeing with you.

You keep saying this, but no one is talking about Zyuoh King as a whole or disputing that the combined mecha is better. They're talking about the INDIVIDUAL animals.

Engineering is a whole different ball game which I can't comment on, but in terms of pure aesthetic there is no right answer people. If you think these are more creative because these are animals that transform from cubes then great - that's your opinion. I can completely understand that given that the power animals are *just* animals.

But at the same time, the Power Animals have a certain sleekness and elegance to them that others might find far more appealing than the cube animals. They have their own creative charm to them that's just as valid.

It does if you take creativity to be the only metric with which to measure quality, but that's not really the case. One thing may do something in particular in a unique fashion, while still not managing to be better overall than other things in comparison.

But eh, I'm stopping there, at this point I'm just arguing in place of someone else trying to piece together his opinions and that's silly and actually really unnecessary. The only reason I responded to Templar is because he was making an argument against something that hadn't even been said, which bugged me. Probably should have left it at that.

Except he did say it (Den-O provided the quote I was arguing against).
If you want to agree to disagree on the larger point? That's fine.

See I read this...

...as an attempt to try and spin doctor the more obvious failings of the combined mecha away.

Again, like the cubes if that's your thing. Just don't try to tell me they're something they're not.

The elegance is a big part of why I prefer them, but the "heavy hitters" of the set do put the cubes to shame in terms of engineering.
And the total package is really a big selling point for me. EVERY Sentai set will have a simplistic figure or two, but I can overlook that if the set as a whole has some strong pieces and the overall conversion/combination is interesting. Which is really where the Power Animals really outshine the cubes. Are the Power Animal arm modules simple? Yeah, but the elegance in design and their role in a more complex combination system ups their appeal.

I was referring to what you said about ZyuohKing being more creative than GaoKing, which was never argued, as ZeoRanger said. The quote you provided only says he doesn't care about the legs, never in that sentence do the words "and thus it is more creative/better than GaoKing" appear.

I don't really disagree with anything, because that's not my opinion. GaoKing and the Power Animals are my favorite robots in sentai, and one of the few I can claim to like. I don't really care for the Cubes in particular, but I can see where LF is coming from in this case. I'm not actually arguing for myself (which is unnecessary as i said before, so i should really shut up now).

No, but that quote about the legs, in combination with this...

...really do seem to indicate that he's taking a firm stance that one is more creative than the other, isn't he? Which is definitely not "both are good in their own way" position you tried to ascribe to him.

So when it comes right down to it you and I probably have similar aesthetic preferences for this sort of thing but you felt the need to take me to task because you don't like the way I'm expressing my opinions?
Look, I'm not looking for a response. You said you wanted to stop, and that's fine. And smart. I probably should too.

I guess at the end of the day I really don't see where LF is coming from. I understand his argument, yes. I just don't think there's much to it aside from aesthetic preference. Which he is certainly entitled to.

The ultimate thing to remember here is that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just back them up when and where possible so we can keep the conversation positive.

I will admit that I may have missed something, but I don't think I've seen anyone say anything like that.

The whole "the cubes are actually more complex, period" sentiment came off that way to me. In a sort of "my opinion is right, period" sort of way.

I'm going to drop out of the conversation though. Den-O is right. No use getting worked up over aesthetic preference.