Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 154047)

No it wasn't.

Seriously, be honest, a "killer shadow" isn't anywhere close to the regular silliness of Toku. Also it wasn't a killer shadow. If anything it was like fear gas. (the big bad is the terror dopant, and he releases that stuff to, well, cause fear in his enemies)

CGI aside (because yeah, W had some terrible early CGI, mostly because of how much it was used. Something I've come to realise carried over from Decade it seems) that's a complete crock of bull. W's fights scenes are awesome. The actual martial arts verses FX attacks is awesome, and the two are blended really well. The fights also happen logically and fit in with the plot.

In just about every KR series I've watched there's been a certain disconnect between the fight scenes and drama. Den-O and Agito had this pretty prominently. The heroes are always far away from the enemy or action literally until it's time to fight, with Den-O literally being dropped off and Agito having nothing at all to do with the plot until he needed to fight. W actually had the heroes be in the plot. The investigation side of things meant that the heroes were always mixed right in with the enemy and their motives, rather than gardening half the episode or lazing around in a trian car or diner.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but your reasons for disliking it are pretty flimsy, especially when you compare it to other toku, which just kind of makes your arguement fall apart when W does all these Toku tropes better than how they usually are.


Really, because how is saving lives and fighting monsters not superhero stuff?

Again, since you want to, compared to past series W's more of a superhero than most. Specifically, he's a very Batman-style superhero. He fully focuses on the enemy and problem, devoting all his effort to it and being almost constantly "on the trail," instead of just standing around talking about the problem, or not, until it's time to fight.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 154051)

No it wasn't? Wasn't what?

And I meant his suit design, one of the least threatening looking villains ever, he looked absolutely ridiculous.

Well awesome in your opinion, I thought the fight choreography was really bad, it had no sense of motion and no fluidity, it was more akin to the brawling of an 80s action film than the kind of martial arts stunts I've seen elsewhere.

I'm not much of a KR guy so I can't really comment on others but all other Toku I've watched the heroes of the show are specifically designed to fight the monsters, here the heroes just kinda stumbled into their fights.

Because the life saving and monster fighting was a very small portion of the show. I would have liked more action, less Scooby Doo.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 154051)

No it wasn't? Wasn't what?

Originally Posted by KRX (Post 154054)

Kamen Rider W gets better as it goes along. I was hooked from the beginning, and it only got better (until the very last episode, which felt tacked on). If you don't like it, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to judge it on the first 13-14 episodes.

Originally Posted by KRX (Post 154054)

Kamen Rider W gets better as it goes along. I was hooked from the beginning, and it only got better (until the very last episode, which felt tacked on). If you don't like it, that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to judge it on the first 13-14 episodes.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 154055)

The killer shadow.

Oh pfft, why didn't you just say so? Yeah, he does look kinda silly, because of his headdress. (which does something pretty cool, though) But the final villain design is incredible, so I can forgive him.

The fact that he used more than two different moves already puts him above most Toku.

And unlike most series, the gimmick really improves the fight scenes. The switching of halves and mixing of powers really makes the fight scenes fun to watch in a way I can't describe because I can't honestly believe anyone couldn't understand themselves.

Yeah, that's BS. I don't even see how you could say W "stumbles" into fights so I can't even argue it because it, well, nonsense.

Again, this is just false. W has just as much action as any given series. It has to, because they're always getting themselves in trouble because of the so-called "Scooby-Doo." Yeah, maybe if Scooby-Doo turned into Bruce Lee every time old man Wilken's showed up dressed as Leatherface.

And again, better than the heroes just sort of hanging around when not fighting.

Eh, I think that's fair. Again, I'm not saying he has to like it, or watch it (why waste time watching something you don't like?) But he reasons are kind of BS.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 154060)

That is over quarter of the series, enough time for a trilogy of films, how is that not enough to judge the series? If they can't get me hooked in that amount of time there is no hope.

Originally Posted by KRX (Post 154066)

That's your opinion, and I can respect that. Personally, I like to see things through until the end.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 154060)

That is over quarter of the series, enough time for a trilogy of films, how is that not enough to judge the series? If they can't get me hooked in that amount of time there is no hope.

Originally Posted by Locke (Post 154070)

I never see the point in watching something you dislike all the way, there has to be a moment where you say enough is enough.

Originally Posted by KRX (Post 154072)

In all honesty, I don't always adhere to that belief.

Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 154071)

That was the Sweets arc, wasn't it? That's when Terror made his big-headed debut and Akiko went undercover to expose the Dopant? W was scoping the mansion the whole time, knowing a Dopant was there. How the hell is him waiting for the dopant and thus fighting it once it revealed itself contrived when that's, ugh... bro, you're not making a whole lot of sense here. I get why you'd think the villain looked silly (because he did, and stuff happens that sort of, I guess explains that? Again I don't want to spoil in case anybody else is watching W and reads here) and some shit, but a lot of what you're saying just doesn't hold up, especially with your "All the otehr Toku I've seen." I mean, let's just say for the sake of your arguement it's true, maybe thats not a bad thing? Maybe when there's so much out there that's so similar, something different is refreshing and cool?

Again, you don't have to like it, but not even being able to understand why anyone would like a show about a hero who solves crimes and beats his enemies without just punching them a lot and focuses on helping people as much as he does fighting badguys, that seems a bit narrow-minded.