I didn't mind the kids this week; the Ruby girl was actually very amusing most of the time. All the stuff with the main girl's mom and sister was incredibly tacked on, though, especially that ending. It wasn't the best episode of the season, but I still enjoyed it. I'm very intrigued by the trailer for next week, too.

Firstly, I loved this episode. Secondly.. From the teaser for next week? CLARA IS MISSY! o-o Boosh

Well, that wasn't too bad. THe kids were amusing (*gasp!*), even though the feel-good plot felt stupid and tacky. Although I did call the trees being good halfway through the episode. Not sure If that's a pro or a con. And not I can't stop thinking about Jabe the Tree Person. Frick

The down side though, always seems to be the final few minutes. Especially the next time trailer. Dear lord, if you're right Sentai, then I say we go give Moffat a call. Doubly so if this is just stupid nonsense, just like Wedding.

Yeah I hated this one. A good bit.

This week's episode felt a bit weak but alrightish to me, a little derpy on the maguffin trees also the lights and stuff associated with them felt way to much like the sentient trees in that one Matt Smith Xmas episode to have not gotten a mention by the Doctor in the episode.

As for the clip of next weeks episode if Clara never existing isn't a mislead I'm going to find it really hard to keep taking the series seriously until Moffat is gone. I really wish the higher ups would put a dang leash on the guy already or just let him go and bring in a replacement.

I really enjoy Capaldi's portrayal of the Doctor this season and heck Clara was really getting good but man the Moffat factor is really hurting the series at this point.

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I loved these in the magazine, so I know what I'm asking for at christmas. Seriously. Even if you haven't a care about the book, the comics on the page are worth a look at.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that book too :D

Why is everyone so down on the forest episode? I loved this episode. It's right behind Flatline as my favorite episodes of the season so far.

Because apparently even children's book authors can't write children realistically.

"When I get scared, I forget my anger management!"

Really, I mean really?

That, and there's the whole issue of it being a class of special needs kids yet all of their issues were pretty much played up for laughs. Well, that and everyone's (except the Doctor of course) answer to Maebh issues seemed to be "throw her on medication and everything will go away!" Not the best example really. I don't like child actors on Doctor Who particularly but I see the point of them, and Maebh's interactions with the Doctor in the cold opening did give me a glimmer of hope.

To me, it seemed a bit too much... fairytale. Even more than "if we remember him, he can come back!"Especially with the magic forest bug ending and the kid arriving home... somwhow. And Zeo has a point with the kids and their issues. Even if the kids were one of the better examples of child actors we've had in the series.

It wasn't somehow. She called every phone in the world at the same time, her sister ran away, so it makes sense she would've been near or holding a phone when the call to protect the trees went through.

I liked it >/

But how would she get there so fast? And through a forest, with no sense of guidance? I know I'm nitpicking, but it felt so tacked on... I don't know, I just didn't like it. As sucky as explanation as that is, it's all I've got. If you want a real complaint, I can tell you how a real solar flare works.

There's also the question of how exactly man-made defoliant would be against an issue for trees that are about to go toe-to-toe with THE SUN.

You realize that you're picking apart the logic in a show where the main character is one thousand years old, regenerates when he 'dies', lives in a blue Police Box that's bigger on the inside, and fights talking, walking, trash cans that have plungers for arms... right?

We're Whovians. It's what we do. And he's probably more than 1000 years old, but still, the point stands.

Current age is 2000+, with most of those years being spent as Matt Smith. But that's a different rant.

And I at least like my stories to adhere to their own logic, no matter how ridiculous that may be :p

Yes! This, exactly! Zeo knows what's up. :lol

I guess in the end it depends on how much disbelief you're willing to suspend. :lol

For me, I'm perfectly fine with this episode. Everything, the kids, the trees, the solar flare. But of course, I guess if I wanted to find faults in the logic of this episode, it would be really easy too.

so he dressed up as his dad for holloween

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Thanks for bringing this up. Now it's bugging me. Go, random guesswork!

So we know three Doctors dies of old age- One, War and Eleven, so they should all be around the same age. Eleven ages around 300 years between Eleventh Hour and Town Called Mercy. Add on 100 years for his misery time on a cloud, plus adventures with Clara, plus other stuff, until we get to Trenzalore. If we take Tales of Trenzalore as canon, we get another 900 years. This makes a maximum of 1300 years (about) per regeneration.

There is a problem though. War claims his age, just before he regenerates, is 800. I can think of a war to reconcile his- he was fighing a war against Daleks, which have employed Time Destructors before, which could age him as much as 500 years, considering what we know happens to the 1st Doctor. This makes both of them around 800. (Total: 2900 years.)

Next, we can go through the others. Two spends most of his time with human companions, and as Jamie never seems to age visibly, this would limit his lifetime to about 5 years on screen. Until we bring in tow things- The Two Doctors, and Season 6B(http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/class...season6b.shtml).
This, along with his on-screen aging by this point, possibly brings up his lifetime to around 1000 years, especially since we know (Five Doctors) he doesn't spend all his time with Jamie. (Total: 3900)

For Three, he spends most of his time on Earth, and since he spends most of his time on Earth, he is at least 5 years old. The time when he can travel elsewhere without a companion (between The Green Death and The Time Warrior) is unknown, but with a comment from Sarah Jane in Death of the Doctor, is probably no more than a few weeks. The only other issue is the new e-book "The Loneliness of the long-distance time traveller." This sets an adventure in the final scenes of The Planet of Spiders. This doesn't seem to take too long though, which means 3 probably lived around 10 years. (Total: 3910)

I have no idea how long Four lived- there are at least two periods where he travels with no companions (Hand of Fear to Face of Evil and Invasion of Time to the first Key to Time episode), and since one of his companions is a Time Lord, that doesn't help. Considering he's the longest lived Doctor, and by the end of his run he's contemplating the nature of death and isn't that surprised to see the Watcher, I'm going to guess he's also around 1300 years. (Total: 5210)

Five has no periods without any companions, and since none of them visibly age, we have no idea how long he has. However, since he spends time travelling with just Nyssa, who is an alien, he could be several hundred years old, especially since Trakenite bodies are probably a lot stronger than humans (see the difference between Ainley Master and Roberts Master). Add in Big Finish adventures (help me out, people who know Big Finish), and 5 probably lived about 100 years. At a stretch. (Total: 5310.)

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For 6, he could spend any amount of time between dropping Mel off, having his own adventures in Big Finish, picking Mel up, and dying death by Rani. I'm going to guess around 1000 years due to him not looking so different, from what we see from McCoy in a wig. COuld be almost anything, though. (Total: 6310.)

7, again, has lots of Big Finish aventures I'm not aware of. However, due to his lack of a companion in the movie, plus his advanced age, probably puts him near the end of his life. This also sits with him just relaxing in his TARDIS, doing errands for the Time Lords instead of getting involved in adventures. I'm going to say 1200 years. (Total: 7510.)

Eight, just due to the sheer amount of stuff (including around 800 years on Orbis, apparently, plus some time spent not aging in the Anti-Time World, plus attempting to avoid the Time War, plus looking very lightly older in Night of the Doctor, means I'm going to say the full 1300 years for him. Or more. I honestly don't know, Too much confusing time stuff. (Total: 8810)

Nine has very little time without Rose in series (Before Rose and during that bit at the end of Rose is all I can think of.) However, due to him saying he's 900 in THe Empty Child and War being about 800, I'm going to say he's 100. (Total: 8910)

Ten really didn't live long. He gives his age as 910 in The End of Time, which is merely 10 more than Nine. EVen taking the end of The End of Time, that's still not long, working out at 10 living 10 years. Maybe that's why he really didn't want to go- he was nearing the end of his regeneration cycle, and he'd used 0.8% of this bodies full lifetime. (Total: 8920)

This means the Doctor is probably around 8920 in Deep Breath. Add on a year or two for time without Clara, and we get a total age of 8921... ish. Let's see how long it takes for people to pick massive glaring holes in this :D

I don't think its right to assume each incarnation would live to the same age if they regenerated due to old age. He's the same man but the body is different, so different factors are going to vary how long the body can last.

I was quite happy with just "over 900", Matt Smith initially adding about 400 years onto that was annoying but bearable. But the whole Trenzalore thing was ridiculous. It was literally just a case of Moffat wanting his first Doctor to be the best. Not only was he the one to beat the regeneration count by fast forwarding things, but he was also the one that got to live the longest.

Moffat does always seem to compensate for something with his characters... Clara being super important, his Doctor living forever...

He really is the spitting image. It's too bad his voice is so different or we could have the Third Doctor popping up for some convoluted reason. :D

Well, the internet was right. It was the Master. FUUUUUUUU.... Although at least there wasn't an afterlife really. Just a giant Library save thingy. I wasn't liking th episode until then, and I'm still on the fence about it. Especially with that lava scene. It was, to me, freaking pointless.

Well holy shit. I was totally in denial about the internets theory but it turned out to be true all along. Sentai is gonna be here soon to say I told you so :lol. I'm still VERY much on the fence about it because it means the push for a female Doctor is now gonna be harder than ever (not to mention the Doctor/Master pairing..ugh) but I can't deny how fantastic that reveal was.

All in all it was a great episode. All the hints to them being Cybermen were obvious yet wonderfully handled.

Don't bring up the shipping... we don't want to die from it. Meanwhile, even halfway through the episode, I was still claiming River Song . The reveal was pretty awesomely handled though. IT almost floored me.

Ugh. Sort of. I enjoyed the slow build up of the story and I miss that seriously in Doctor Who. Thankfully we were spared a number of Moffat tropes, but I expect we'll get a double-dose of them next week to make up for it. (Along with that really horrible effect of the Doctor falling.)

I was seriously hoping Missy would not be the Master for a couple of reasons. 1) It's such an obvious solution. 2) The 'boyfriend' line and the kissing and flirting. It was bad enough after the series three finale. The fanfic and tumblr crowds are going to lose their minds over it. I just don't feel that development is in keeping with the characters.

Having said all of that, I think Michelle Gomez did beautifully in her role. She's amazing and can really sell even pretty terrible lines. She's got a nice subtly which can co-exist with a bit of chewing the scenery. Capaldi and Coleman were brilliant, as always, and I think the Doctor really showed the depth of character, despite the unpleasant turn Clara took in the beginning.

Sadly, despite the wish-fulfilling pre-credits sequence, I know Moffat will bring Danny back as he sometimes struggles with actually killing anyone. I briefly liked the character moment when Danny refused to convince Clara of who he was, but it doesn't make up for being subjected to him otherwise.

Overall, this was pretty restrained from Moffat so I expect everything to go off the rails next week with probably a big shiny reset button for the bow on top. This definitely wasn't the best or the worst of the series so far, but I think Gomez and the rest of the cast elevated a sort of run-the-mill episode into something more.

Edit: I did greatly enjoy the Cybermen reveal. It was very well handled and suspenseful , despite knowing they were coming. I miss more of the slow burn elements of early Who and even some of the post-2005 two-parters.

Also, watching the live stream for the past couple of series has slowly been turning me into a pudding brain because I'm kind of enjoying the bits of Strictly I see while waiting. :lol

Edit 2: Possibly controversial opinion ahead! Oddly, I don't have an issue with the Master being a woman this time out, but I still find it a little unsettling with the Doctor. I think because the Doctor very clearly gender-identifies as a male and I don't really see that changing, at least for internal story reasons. The Master, on the other hand, has always been a bit of a wild card and I could see him making the choice to be a woman as a further means to his/her goals. Of course, we have no idea how the character is back so perhaps it wasn't so much a decision as necessitated for other reasons. Still, I think it is a development that makes for more sense for the Master as opposed to the Doctor.

Yeah, I agree. Hence why I'm still on the fence about it rather than the usual hatred I'd be ranting by now :lol

It's literally just the romance angle from a certain sect of fans/writers and the blatant push for the next Doctor to be female there's going to be. When Capaldi leaves its going to be stronger than ever.

The fallout from the episode is going to be terrible, I think. Which is kind of a shame because the fear of what certain segments of the population will run with has seriously dampened my enjoyment of other aspects of the episode. I know that's on me, really, but it doesn't help much.

Honestly, it's the same with me. A male doctor would just feel off and not... right, while a female Master makes sense. Especially if it's to mess with his worst enemy. God, reading that back seems bad, but it's the best way I have to say what I feel. . Also, RIP Danny Pink. How Orson still exists, or whether Listen is still canon (please nonononono) will never be answered.

Wow! I did not see that coming.

I thought this was a pretty great episode. The whole Missy reveal was guessed 11 weeks ago, but it was still done very well. She pulls off menacing so much better than John Simm ever did, but I guess that's the benefit of not having to play the Master as a clown and/or hungry nutjob with an electric skeleton. She still clearly has a few screws loose, but I'm not sure how much of that is legitimate and how much is just her fucking with the Doctor for the lulz. And even if she does really think she's the Doctor's girlfriend, it's not like it would be the first time the modern series got weird about their relationship. Seriously, go back and rewatch the series three finale and tell me you don't see subtext there.

As for the gender thing, you can complain all you want, but it was canonized in The Doctor's Wife. And given the state the Master was in the last time we saw him - not to mention his established history of unconventional regenerations - it wouldn't surprise me if something weird like this happened even without the Corsair thing.

I liked the Cybermen reveal, too. It was clearly foreshadowed with all the endoskeleton talk and the eye pattern on the doors, but you could still miss it if you weren't watching closely. Or, you know, if you'd missed all the trailers with Cybermen footage in them. Sigh. :( Props for the obvious Invasion homage, though.

One more episode to go, but I think it's safe to officially call this as my second favorite season of the modern series, just a smidge behind 5 and a skosh above 4.

Dammit, I missed this one and I don't know what the name of the episode is so I can watch it again. May I get some assistance.

It was Dark Water.

Was on my edge throughout the whole episode. Not perfect, but it was definitely the most entertaining episode so far.

Strange, somehow I feel the same way too. Might be controversial, I don't think I am perfectly comfortable with the Doctor being female, but for some reason I don't have an issue with it for the Master.

I ♥ Doctor Who!

I’ve been thoroughly enjoying this series and am sad that there’s only one episode left to go, but also excited! My favourite episodes are Into the Dalek, Listen, Kill the Moon, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline and Dark Water.

Me and a friend was guessing all through the season who missy was and my god we were right from episode one. It was a great episode. Every thing was handled well and the way missy said who she was great. Also I hope this is a test to see how we like the change of the master so we could see a female doctor and I would. To mind it at all.

I think the biggest issue for me is that it seems the days of a suave, more calculating Master are truly gone, and every series writer now is going to play him/her/it as a deranged maniac who makes Anthony Ainley's pantomime antics seem subtle. How I wish the rumours of Charles Dance being the Master had been true.

Oh well, I always have Big Finish

This episode was the absolute best of this season. I did not see Danny getting struck by the car right off the episode. I thought he was going to be the reason Clara left the series. And I even guessed, once, that Missy was the Master and I still never saw that coming. What really took me by surprise were the Cybermen! And the clues were all there and it still took me. How he said the Dark Water showed only organic material, how they wore exosuits so the bodies wouldn't rot.

After seeing this episode though I tell you this. I am not donating my body to science or being cremated. Fuck that shit o_o

And I Love The Mistress. Deliciously evil. I miss the beating of drums, but she more than makes up for that little character trait.

And Zeo, to your point about each Master being different, he's supossed to be. He's a Timelord. And like how The Doctor changes personalities dramatically with each incarnation, why can't the Master change when he regenerates?