Why is nobody talking about the Pokemon presentation today?

Looks like Pokemon's getting experimental, and I am SO excited for it.

Because it's 4th Gen, the only Gen of Pokemon I outright dislike.

Although maybe the remakes will fix that, who knows?

Pokemon Legends looks pretty dope.

I'm... kind of nonplussed. Like, I don't think either of the big new projects are bad per se, but I'm happy to sit them out. I did think the video's opening presentation was really cute though—not Acacia levels of cute (I absolutely cried when I first saw that video), but cute nonetheless.

Pokémon Legends seriously seriously has me excited! It finally feels like we're getting something new that's not going through the motions; this is the most unique Pokémon's felt since Colosseum

I guess that makes sense.

I've never even played Gen 4. I'm only excited because Pokemon is trying something new. I'll never agree with the people who think Pokemon is getting worse, but they also haven't been trying to improve. Except now, they're finally trying to do something new for the first time in ages. Which is kind of a big deal.

Gen 4 is my childhood gen and the one I love, so they're really trying to get on my good side here with everything shown off. The DP remakes I'm going to need a bit more time and a LOT more information before I know how I feel, though.

YES. EXACTLY!

Like, the last few generations were fine and all, but THIS.

I knew I wanted something different from Pokemon, but I didn't know what until today.

THIS is EXACTLY what Pokemon needs.



Probably.

That's how I'm going to feel when Gen 5 remakes happen. The cycle begins again!

now to watch the Unova diehards spend the next five+ years bitching "Wheres MINE?!?!"

I am an old lady, and I have always loved turned based combat, so I always feel bad when people lay into Pokémon for not being more action game-y as I really want there to be a place for this kind of gameplay still. I think my major point of contention regarding Sword and Shield was that it absolutely failed to tell the same kind of weighty story as Sun and Moon, and that's what I really want, and will happily waffle for hours about how these prior entries are perhaps the best the franchise has ever been.

I don't know. I'm a literal meme.

https://i.imgur.com/NnaeqX1.jpg

As a Unova fan myself, that feels like a personal attack.

For some reason, I thought you were better than this.

It is funny though how, after the Gen 3 remakes dropped, tons of people online were constantly whining about how the Gen 4 remakes needed to happen over anything else Pokemon related, and now that they're finally here, almost every reaction I've read online has been "Meh."

Yeah, some people need to chill about it.

As much as I want Unova anything, there's no point going on and on about it when there's, like, a whole generation before that's even possible.

Oh man I can relate. I never understood why there's been such a stigma against turn-based cambat over the years, not just from other gamers but from game companies themselves. There's so much creative stuff you can do with the system, and games like Final Fantasy and Wild ARMs used to be big examples of what could be done with it.

Then it's a good thing Pokemon isn't getting rid of turn-based battles any time soon.

It might look like that at first glance (or not, I'm not in your head), but looking at the trailer, it looks like battles still work the same, just in the overworld instead of a battle screen or whatever, which I think is really cool. You can also just throw Pokeballs at wild Pokemon too, which is cool.

Though, those old wooden Pokeballs got me thinking... How do Pokeballs even work? When and where were they invented? Who invented them and why?That's why we need Pokemon games like Legends Arceus. To answer these kinds of questions.

Just give me the National Dex and Megas back and I’ll re-add the Switch (and Brilliant Diamond) to my birthday/Christmas wish list ASAP

Oh, Wild ARMs!! Absolutely agree. I'm not opposed to change, and I know to a degree there will always be a line of games humouring old people like me—Octopath, Bravely Default &c.—but I do sometimes feel as if something of the wonder has been lost in the translation to more action based combat in FF games.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply Pokémon was doing away with turn based, as, agreed, from that clip of the Legends game, it looks like the combat is much the same—I just live in fear of the use of the phrase "action RPG" nowadays as it's such a blanket term that, with the use of levelling up mechanics, you could argue that Call of Duty or whatever is an RPG. I mean, I'd violently oppose you, but I can understand how someone would say that if only presented with the facts of the mechanics on paper.

I don't really have a horse in the race though, as I think both of the "new" games announced look fine, and I totally understand people being excited for them, but I'm kind of... indifferent.

It's fine! I didn't really know if you were or weren't, so I wanted to cover everything. I also think the slightly different yet still the same battles are cool, so I wanted to talk about them. I totally get what you're saying.

I get you, and thank you for making me clarify my jumbled feelings as I leap from the highly specific to the wildly generalised, lol.

I'm all about new things happening and developing outside the usual formula—*knocks on your door and asks if you have a moment to talk about our lord and saviour, Pokémon Conquest*—but, at the same time, grandma over here doesn't want to have to have to become a DPS god just to master a Pokémon game. :p

Gen 4 was not only where I caught my very first Shiny (Golbat in Diamond), but also when I became the legendary Shiny Hunter I am now, with the bulk of my collection being from Platinum. Having the National Dex back means I can send them back to Sinnoh where they were originally from. Plus the Megas back would be a welcome bonus

Was working so I just watched it and honestly I wasn't disappointed. Only because I could tell I would be let down which I was. Brilliant and Shiny I was hoping a bit more than this. As for Legends, until I get to see more, I will not think highly of it because it's just reminding me of Sword and Shield. I will give it two months and if people actually think they are good games and actually worth the money then I will get them. Until then might get the New Snap but not sure just yet.

Also thought the intro video sucked.

Fuck you! (Kidding maybe)

But seriously as someone who really loves the Black and White games and Gen 5, if this is how the remake will be where it pretty much an exact copy of the original, then I am good with out it. Still got the originals.

If the gen 4 remakes are going to be 100% faithful then they will probably only add the current wi-fi connection setup as a new thing, so no megas, z-moves, or dyana/gigantamaxing and hopfully it won't be easy to beat, it barely took me any effort to beat the 6th to 8th gens except for some minor postgame stuff.

I'm excited. Looks cute and fun~
Gen 4 was one of my favs, so I'm eager to play through it again.

At this point my bank account is probably crying right now :lol :lol .

Unrelated, but would anyone happen to have an Own Tempo Rockruff in Sw/Sh?

Just found out how much Walmart is selling Sword/Shield plus DLC for. Anyone here willing to pay $80 for it?

Way ahead of you. I'm getting that and a Switch Mini for my birthday in a few months. So that's past 100$.

Yes, I know what people think of Sword and Shield. And I could literally not care less.

Sword and Shield, while not great, are perfectly fine for what they are.

I don't think there's ever actually been a bad Pokémon game, really -- the franchise's biggest flaw is that it's far too safe and sticks far too close to what works... but, well, ultimately that means all the games work. There's definitely more individual bits I'd critique but as a whole every Pokémon game is fine for what it is.

That's what I'm saying. It's not that they're bad games. It's just that most of the other Pokemon games are better.

Ninth place on a top ten list is still perfectly respectable.

So, if Sw/Sh are compatible with the upcoming gen 4 remakes, would that mean that, by virtue of Gen 4's Pokemon list, the national dex will include all Pokemon up to Gen 4?

Please no, that’s leaving out half the Pokémon, way worse than when Sword/Shield did it.

Well, that's not what I mean. I'm just thinking, if it's compatible with Sw/Sh, then that likely means that any missing Pokemon from gens 1-4 will be returned in addition to what we have now.

Also, here's a thought. Since this is the first remake since the advent of regional forms, what are the chances we may get, say, 5 or 6 new Sinnoh forms for some Pokemon?

I get the feeling that everything missing is being brought back with BDSP's release, given what's in Sinnoh and what we've seen in Legends already.

I actually do hope Sinnoh Forms are a thing, though mainly I'm still waiting for them to bring Mega Forms backs. Alot of the Gigantamax designs being ones that could've easily worked as Megas only made their exclusion sting even harder.

Doubt there will be any Sinnoh forms. The remake will most likely just be an exact copy of the original. Think they just pushed this one out just to have a main-ish game this year. My guess is their focus is mainly on Legends because I think they even said they had another company involved in the remake unless I heard it wrong.

Yeah, Game Freak isn't working on BDSP; they got another company to do it.

... which could actually mean it'll be really good

No clue why but I got a laugh from reading that.

But it sadly doesn't mean will be good. It matters on how much this company is allowed to do.

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