Well... the figure went up for pre-order after Jin was "killed" so it's safe to assume his Flying Falcon-suit will never appear on the show again. If he comes back he'll probably go straight into the rumored upgrade.

So not that strange given the circumstances, they saw the chance to open pre-orders at the right time and took it.

That's sad, I like Max. But there's lots of other cool Heisei Ultraman too so as long as we get something I'm happy regardless.

Yeah you should, its a great figure!

Amazon has one, I hope he's still available in June because I'm out of money right now. After that, might need to save money and wait for Titas and Fuma, those two will most likely be exclusives.

Shishioh's gallery/review for Geiz Revive:

https://shishioh.info/SHF_KAMEN_RIDE...SAVIOR_SET.php

Sucks Geiz Revive's markup price in my country made him 110$!

It was one of my fave suits too!

I've noticed that certain Web Exclusives now have a bit higher mark-ups at the middleman sites. I only really use Nippon-Yasan and Geiz Revive is 10,500 yen before shipping (compared to 8250 yen MSRP). Although I didn't catch whether or not Nippon-Yasan did their usual price increases over time with Geiz Revive or not. I think I'll just wait to see if he'll be cheaper on the secondary market.

I highly doubt that! Evolt ramped up to 160$ in my country. I'm betting the same happens to Geiz Revive unless someone encounters an error with his gimmick and drops his price like SS OOO.

Honestly... Wish they'd do Geiz Majesty. Despite the weird decisions with the Ridewatches sticking out, I still very much like the suit. I JUST PREFER GEIZ'S SUITS MORE SO THAN 70% OF SOUGO'S! (I love ZI-O II and OhmaZi-O/Form)

Geiz Revive is of course a bit more expensive due to the form change parts being including, but the general price increase in Web-Exclusives through middleman services comes because Premium Bandai has significantly lowered the amount of copies per figure you can order.

In the past it was like 16 or more, now you can only buy 1-3. Meaning that middleman services have to make more individual orders to get their stock, they pay more shipping and that cost is being passed on to the consumer via a general increase in price for every single figure.

On the plus side here are some more gorgeous pictures of Horobi. Plus: Zero-One himself will be out February 8th!

http://blog.livedoor.jp/shfiguarts/a...076652120.html

https://i.imgur.com/Jy3ic2P.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UgI6xNP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ODZyJLS.jpg

Yeah, it's definitely a bit of wishful thinking on my part about finding him for a good price in the aftermarket but sometimes patience is rewarded. Haha.

Ooh, I didn't realize Premium Bandai also changed the amount you could order. I guess that makes sense then. Almost seems like they are trying to prevent people from outside of Japan from being able to easily purchase their products. Haha

No you're correct, that is precisely what they're trying to do.

Thankfully they didn’t succeed yet.

They've made it a hell of a lot less appealing though.

I'm very well aware that not everyone has the same income I have, but at the present time 10-20 bucks extra for a Web-Exclusive every other month isn’t making a difference for me.

Should it? Yes. Does it keep me from getting my plastic drug fix? No.

It's even worse than "If you so much as look at the elbows they'll break!".

It's the DIRECTION that Bandai is taking the Shinkocchou Seihou line to. The announcement of the SHF SS Den-O proved (so far) that Bandai was doubling down (or rather, :eek:tripling down:eek:) on this new joint system, after implementing it on SHF SS OOO Tatoba and SHF SS Gatakiriba. As THE prestige line of 1:12 action figures that Bandai offers, we can safely say that this decision is going to be implemented on ALL future SHF SS releases, and probably regular SHFs as well.:thumbdown

Now, THIS is the problem. Instead of isolating the damage and put a stop loss on their portfolio by only committing one blunder, they decided instead to commit the same blunder two(!) more times. The problem is not releasing a figure with super fragile joints. The problem is releasing a figure with super fragile joints, NOT learning from the blunder, AND committing the same blunder on two other releases. So, highly anticipated unreleased SHF SS lines (to me), like Ex-Aid, Faiz, Gaim, and God forbid, :cryRyuki:cry, almost certainly will use this new joint system. We can all imagine how epic the fail will be. :eek::eek::eek:

Well, let's sit back, and just wait and see.
Let the final arbiter, time, answer this question:
"How many broken joints does it take to change Bandai executives' minds?"

https://forums-images.oneplus.net/at...bb0d7e3135.jpg

Or is it possible the decision to use the new joint design came well before the reports of OOO breakages?

Only God knows. :lol
As far as I know, ANY engineer worth their title would already have smelled the fragility from miles away. :cool:
Bandai's engineers are probably mass facepalming in their office right now. :D

Unless it's not an engineering problem and a material/production problem.

Something I don't think anyone has noticed but is it just me or is SHF Horobi's head too long and his waist is too thin? I distinctly remember the suit's head being a bit smaller and the whole suit being baggier.

Nope.
It's 1000% engineering problem. Material/production problem is only a tiny fraction of the overall cause of failure. You can read my previous posts on this new joint system.

Boy howdy it's a good thing your posts don't reek of stubborn sensationalism otherwise you'd just look silly.

In other news,

even if TN is trying to make it harder for us foreigners to get their figures, hopefully Team Rider will be able to back us up in the end. I'd really rather not have to spend like $100 on every form of Kuuga if I can avoid it.

Shouldn't we maybe, I dunno, wait and see how more than one body using these joints turns out before we start saying 1000%?

Because right now you seem like you're talking a lot about something you know little about.

If you mean his head is too long as in it looks a bit stretched tall, then it's something I noticed about the suit design itself. I always felt that his helmet looked a little weird it might just be the design giving off that illusion. I don't think his suit was ever that baggy, it's always been relatively form fitting to me at least.

In terms of the figure itself, I am really liking that shade of dark purple for the suit.

The proof is in the pudding. The multiple breakage cases are already bad omen. These aren't merely bad luck, material defects or bad manufacturing. These are built-in systemic failure. Now they break. They are staring at you. They prove something is VERY WRONG with the new joint system.

I'm merely warning the customers who plan to purchase those figures. I'm just positioning myself as a rational consumer. Do I gain something here? No, I don't. I never advertise any other alternative products. Do I lose something here? Nope, I don't either. I'm already short on Bandai's long. It's not a major problem to me, as I haven't purchased (and will not purchase) any SHF SS with the new joint system, however desirable they are to me. It's more like uh... facepalm. On the other hand, I'd feel damned for my whole life if I saw someone (that is, Bandai) making a catastrophic decision (three in this case, or perhaps four, as several days ago they teased the SHF SS OOO Latorata Combo) and did NOT warn them.

The problem is the new joint system itself. No matter what kind of body it's fitted into, it will cause the same total structural failure, that is, mutilated arms.

Should we wait and see? Well, we already see the result. As far as I know, NO previous SHF releases have ever had this high rate of breakage, be it figures with arm swapping gimmick (hello, Gentaro) or without one. The conclusion is obvious.

I agree with everything you said about the future of Seihou line. I have a bad feeling that Ryuki line will have breakage like ooo if the same joints are used.

After reading about the ooo breakage I look at my ooo figuart and it feels weak and light like something could break right away. I lost a lot of faith in bandai with this whole ooo issue and IDK if I want to buy any other ooo form release. Thanks for letting us know how bad the joints are on the ooo figure.

But what is your evidence? One release is not a pattern. It could just be the joints specific to OOO. Hell, it could be specific to TaToBa, we don’t know.

You prattle on with canned phrases like “the proof is in the pudding” like you’re so certain it’s been proven beyond a doubt, yet until more than one figure is released you can’t possibly say anything is proven.

This seems like baseless hysteria. You’re literally decrying the SHF line as doomed over one bad release, like Bandai haven’t been making these figures for years. Hell, the whole reason SS exists is to redo the old, inferior figures. It makes no sense that Bandai would use fragile joints when it would only mean less sales. Ryuki isn’t even confirmed and you’re acting like you know exactly what’s going to happen.

Is this you guys’ first rodeo or something? I can’t imagine anyone who follows any toyline in this day and age being so irrationally frantic.

It’s one release, possibly two if Den-O is so far along in production and literally uses the exact same mould for the joints, and you’re predicting figures that won’t come out for years will be affected? This isn’t even a “benefit of the doubt” situation so much as it is a “use your God-damned brains” situation.

I also feel the need to repeat that my Tatoba has been perfectly fine, and I treat it as I would any other figure and have had it almost since release. I've still yet to see anything to deconfirm that others haven't just had a bad batch.

Likewise, and like I said earlier, if anyone is super worried about it, just refrain from swapping the forearms and the risk of breaking goes way down, since 99% of the reported breaks have happened during a forearm swap. Choose if you want him to have his claws out or not and stick to it.

Personally, I plan to just wait for Latoratah to have him posed claws out.

The thing is, I’ve swapped the forearms out multiple times and I still haven’t seen even a hint of breakage. I’m of course gentle with it because it was still a high end £45 collector’s figure, but from what’s being said the amount of force I apply should have broken it by now full stop. Naturally there’s more than enough reports to show the issue is widespread and Bandai deserves a lot of criticism for it especially on such a popular figure, but there’s so many reports of the opposite that I’m not willing to believe it’s an engineering problem instead of a QC problem with particular batches.

Looks spot on to me.

Amatsu Gai, your schemes are revealed. Do you really think you could fool us that easily? Using your connections to send out sabotaged OOO-figures that break, creating an uproar and then strike and take over Tamashii Nations in the ensuing turmoil, just so that you could release S.H. Figuarts Kamen Rider Thouser under the Zaia Enterprise-branding?

You fiend, we won't let you get away with this.

Oh, there were much worse contenders in the past. Stuff like Fourze's Driver crumbling to bits comes to mind. 3-4 figures with breaking elbows don’t even come close to being as bad as some of the older stuff.

Honestly I don’t think there's any reason to argue about the whole thing. If it happens again with other OOO-figures or even Den-O they will either abandon or change the system. Hell, maybe they are even doing it right now.

So going as far as doom saying future figures that haven’t even happened yet feels a bit premature.

Back in the day, I heard way more stories of people snapping the wrist joints on Kyoryu Red or the Space Sheriffs than I have people breaking their Seihou OOO. Gokai hips breaking is another one that springs to mind, but that’s more of an age thing I guess. It sucks, but it really isn’t the epidemic this thread is making it out to be.

And just to throw in, mine is fine as well.

One more thing:

This happened?! Have we got pics?

I haven't seen any.

The last picture here:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/shfiguarts/a...076521085.html

https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/shfiguar...6/160e9456.jpg

I implore you to read my previous posts where I elaborated on my conclusion why this IS:o an engineering problem.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/18/96/a7/1...5158197d13.jpg

I'm already aware of the issues you guys mentioned. Let's make apple-to-apple comparison on the one thing we're talking about:
the new joint system, notoriously the new elbow joint system.
Not Fourze Driver, wrist joints, hip joints. They're all different stories.

If that's the case, then it's great! I will pre-order the SHF SS Latoratah right away. :D

I'm Kitaoka Shuichi, THE Super Lawyer. :D:lol

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Where? I've seen a lot of posts from you on this but I don't recall one where you gave your explanation.

These posts:

http://www.tokunation.com/showthread...384#post750384

http://www.tokunation.com/showthread...599#post752599

http://www.tokunation.com/showthread...339#post753339

In the attachment you can find 2 pictures for post #2, since TasteToy's website is currently in maintenance.

From what I can make out, your argument is that this is happening because the joint is thinner? I don't really think it's -so- small as to be an issue without QC issues, though.

Yes.
To be precise:
the joint's components, since they split the actual joint into 2 components.

So, you're placing the new joint system in the lower hierarchy of culprits, below manufacturing issues and QC issues?

As far as I know, you CANNOT make something smaller & more complex without INCREASING FRAGILITY.
ALL materials have their strength LIMIT.
All materials, no exception.
Even POM plastics, the time tested industrial material that can be considered THE toughest of all plastics, have its limit.
Basically, they use up all the material's strength, pushing it closer to its fatigue limit.
The new joint system has no REDUNDANCY in strength.
Redundancy is, from risk management standpoint, your only INSURANCE against total failure.

Using this reasoning, THE ultimate rational question to ask is:
"What is the WORST CASE SCENARIO (aka WHAT'S THE WORST THING THAT WILL HAPPEN) when the material DO reach its strength limit?"

The answer is clear:
TOTAL STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE.

Perhaps you can Google the term "fragility detection"?

I did, and you're still not saying anything worth a damn.

If it was as simple as the post being too small, every SHF's wrists would be at risk. There's nothing inherent to the joint design itself that makes it doomed to destruction, otherwise every single OOO figure would have that problem.

You rant for pages and post memes like you think it's self-explanatory, but you haven't offered a shred of real evidence beyond the simple fact that some broke, therefor all must break forever into the future, and that Bandai will intentionally release time bombs going forward with no regard to feedback or reports of breakage.

Do you realize how utterly loony you sound? Screaming about "DISASTERS" and shouting down at anyone who even attempts to approach the conversation with a level head, I'd almost think you were being facetious.

Please read my 2 previous posts.
The weak point is NOT the metal post.

And could you please refrain yourself from ad hominem attacks?
Thank you.

I unfortunately have.

I didn't say it was.

My point is, this is hardly the first time this kind of joint has ever existed. It is not a design flaw, or at least not one that can never ever be amended within the joint's design. You are literally saying every figure ever to use this joint design are doomed to fail, but it is not, we have evidence it is not, and you have zero evidence this will be a problem on future SHFs.

Reason and rational deduction tells us, however, that in the face of so many reports of breakage Bandai will adjust their design/production going forward, especially as the SS line is heavily promoted as one of their most high-end product lines. It's silly to assume theoretical figures that haven't even been announced yet will suffer from breakage when we have only one release with these new elbows so far.

The very instant you stop shouting down at everyone who disagrees with you, I will.

Oops
 

Oops, my bad.:D
I misinterpreted the word "post" you wrote as the metal posts/axles of the new joint system, while what you meant was the wrist joint. :lolol