Can you please provide examples of 1:12 action figures featuring the new elbow joint system?
I'm very interested to see how the manufacturer tackle this fragility issue.

Bruh, I NEVER stated nor implied in any of my posts that "every figure ever to use this joint design are doomed to fail".

What I have NEVER stated nor implied:
- "If you so much as look at the elbows they'll break!"
- "Literally decrying the SHF line as doomed over one bad release, like Bandai haven’t been making these figures for years."
- "The simple fact that some broke, therefore all must break forever into the future."
- "Bandai will intentionally release time bombs going forward with no regard to feedback or reports of breakage."
- "Every figure ever to use this joint design are doomed to fail."
- "Every single OOO figure would have that problem."
- Manufacturing or material defects have no part on this breakage issue.

What I have stated or implied:
This breakage issue is probabilistic issue.

Figures using the new joint system will have higher rate of failure. My main focus here is not the typical crack-type of failure, but the most extreme one, the nasty one, the catastrophic failure, the systemic collapse: LIMB DISMEMBERMENT.

Here's my line of reasoning:

NEW JOINT SYSTEM
=
SPLITTING THE OLD JOINT SYSTEM INTO 2 SMALLER COMPONENTS
=
SMALLER COMPONENT SIZE & HIGHER COMPLEXITY
=
REDUCTION IN STRENGTH
=
HIGHER FRAGILITY
=
HIGHER PROBABILITY OF SYSTEMIC FAILURE

And then I ask myself these questions:
1. Does a 2,5mm plastic rod have the strength of 50% of a 5mm plastic rod?
2. If in a parallel universe the SHF SS OO used the old joint system and had a failure rate of, say, 0,01%, would the failure rate of the new joint system be lower or higher than 0,01%?

It would be a very very bad exercise of prudence on my part if I answer those 2 questions with "yes" and "lower".

To those asking about the pro-contra, cost-benefit analysis, risk/reward ratio, upsidedownside, etc of the new joint system, my conclusion is best described by this question:
"Will you bet your entire fortune for a chance to win a Rider bike?"

THAT is precisely THE purpose of my posting my conclusion on this forum. If it turn out that SHF SS Den-O and SHF SS Gatakiriba will be released with the old joint system, then I will Clock Up and grab them ASAP. :D

Awww, c'mon man...
Me shouting down at everyone who disagrees with me?

I'm just a random faceless person posting his opinion in the form of text on this forum, not politician shouting his next disastrous policy at your ears. :D
Several other people have disagreed with me and none of them resorted to ad hominem attacks. :)
Or perhaps would you rather see me agreeing on everything on this forum? :confused:
Well, it's not that I can stop you from doing what you will do. :(

Anyway, I have been scouring the Nyafuu threads and JP Twitter to see if any Japanese customizer had modified their SS OOO to use body-kun/regular elbows and haven't seen any. :/

Perhaps you can use the joint from old SHF OOO? :cool:

Shoshioh's review of Kamen Rider Brain: https://shishioh.info/SHF_KAMEN_RIDER_BRAIN.php

Goddamn he looks beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. I need him. But I'm broke. And even if I have money I have other stuff to buy first :cry

Also..... Is that a lip sculpt on his mouth? Holy shit I never realized that!

https://toys-photo.com/imege/SHF_KAM..._BRAIN/3-1.jpg

The old SHF OOO joint IS the body-kun/regular SHF joint.

Haha. :lolol
I didn't know that.
Thanks for pointing out. :)

So, there's still no workaround?
Perhaps it's time for 4th party companies to shine. :D

I've seen some china men make metal replacements for Frame Arms Girl and Megami Device kits and some Gunpla.

Oh, the joy it would be if someone were to introduce such a 3rd party add-on.

Also, whether you realize it or not, your other longwinded posts, not only in this thread but in others, combined with the emote spam and the memes, really does give the impression of being hysterical about the entire thing.

We've even acknowledged that yes, the new joint is an issue, whether it be QC related or otherwise.

All we've been saying is for anyone interested in the figure to be careful, as well as "let's wait to see." Meanwhile you've kept going on and on and on. Even saying "Oh you've just been lucky, they WILL break." (paraphrased)

tldr; Chill out.

Wow, I had a lot of catching up to do with this thread since the last time I was here. It seems there are some people who are in disagreement in regards to the severity of the new joint system incorporated in the new SS line. I have had my SS OOO’s since it was released and have been posing it pretty often and have had no qualms with the new joints even when replacing the forearms with the claws out multiple times. For those of you who spent your hard earned $60+ on this figure only to have it break, I am truly sorry that it happened to you and I have had those experiences in the past. But to go to the lengths that I have read in this thread about “increased fragility”, the new joints being a “blunder” and the hysteria that has followed. I think it’s being blown out of proportion and those who want this amazingly beautiful (ok I’m biased because OOO is my favorite rider and this is sooooo much more accurate than the original SH Figures version) but are afraid because of the new joint, I say you should get it, but be careful.

Are the joints more fragile? Inherently so. But considering how others have posted about other elbow/hip joints breaking, or wrist joints snapping, I don’t think it’s as big of an issue as some are making it to be. Increased fragility has been going on since back in the days when figures have 5 points of articulation. As toys evolve, and we add more moving parts for the sake of articulation, of course things would be more fragile.

Through the updates we get, there will be things that work and things that don’t. eg. Kabuto, Dark Kabuto and Gatack’s different wrist joints. Maybe these won’t last either, or maybe they’re the next step in getting figures that we can pose more lifelike. If Bandai were to just keep making things the way they are, and not innovating, we would not have gotten the SS line, with better proportions, better screen accuracy, better articulations, and overall a better albeit pricey figure. Toys would stagnate and other companies would just start to copy them and they wouldn’t stand out as the most advanced, detailed, and articulate figure out on the market.

With how little I’ve actually heard about the joints breaking, I’m surprised at how strong these opinions are. And in response to Taste-Toys’s having “visible” cracks, I am going to have to disagree with you there. It is the lighting that is shining on the new angular joint that makes it look that way. If you have the SS OOO, you would know.

I understand if people are worried that their OOO or future figures will break, and hearing “just be careful” isn’t what you want to hear, but it’s really not as bad as some are making it out to be (except for the ones that broke, which may just be the case of unfortunate QC issues). OOO’s joints are nowhere NEAR as bad as some of the other manufacturers out there with joints not as advanced. And if you honestly cannot fathom ever having a figure with “increased fragility”, I hear Sofubis are extremely sturdy and affordable.

In more recent news. I. AM. SO. HYPED. FOR. LATORATA!!!!!! (ankh chan and his greeed arm looks awesome and I'm glad that they finally show pictures of the arm on the figure!)

We've seen 3rd party accesories for SHF Iron Man. :thumb: I heard they were more accurate than the Bandai version. :lol

If the demand is big enough, someone will definitely release mass scale add-on for SHF Kamen Rider. :thumb:

The main culprit is not unfortunate QC issues,
but reduced material strength due to the pathetically thin components,
which push the material strength waaay closer to its fatigue limit,
which results in higher probability of breakage and lower reliability.

Sadly, Kamen Rider is a very niche franchise.

However... SHF in general isn't tho. So, I hope someone makes third party metal add-on joints someday.

No-one's saying it isn't a factor; just not as strongly as it's being made out to be.

There's thinner components on OOO alone, let alone other Figuarts, and they don't break.

Well, several members here at least implied that the breakage issue was JUST QC issues.

So, your point is:
Reduced material strength is higher in suspect list than QC issues?

Bruh, I am talking about the new elbow joint, not other parts.

There are other parts that are as thin as the components of the new elbow joint, and they don't break.
Why?
Because they are made of different type of plastics.
They behave entirely different compared to POM plastics, THE tough, rigid, brittle plastics used on SHF joints.

Examples of thin/breakage prone parts:
- SHF KR Amazon Neo Alpha has antenna that is made of PVC plastics.
- SHF Shadow Moon, KR Ryuki Survive, KR Fourze & KR Woz have antennas that are made of ABS plastics.
- SHF SS KR Kabuto has Zecter that is made of ABS plastics.
- etc

ABS and especially PVC plastics are more forgiving to stress fatigue.
They're very different from brittle materials like POM plastics, iron, glass, ceramic, etc.

Breakage does not occur on those parts also because those parts are cosmetic parts,
unlike the elbow joint that can be considered structural and functional part (for articulation),
with higher amount of friction.

P-Bandai Web-Exclusive S.H.Figuarts Shinkocchou Seihou Kamen Rider OOO LaToraTah Comb
 

New ooo ss LaToraTah

Wait, so it comes with purple-eyed TaToBa head?

Yup. I imagine it's because there's not many other accessories it could come with like Tajador's wings or Gatakiriba's hopper legs... and also because Ratoratah is a harder sell on its own merits compared to something more significant like Putotyra or even something more unique like Sagohzo.

Harder sell? Lacks significance? Absurd! What Kamen Rider fan wouldn't want a premium version of the outdoor-sleeping, mayonnaise-loving secondary Rider for Wizard?!

...

*squint*

wait.

I mean it has Mid-2000s Anime Protagonist Hair and looks a bit like Wolverine so it's got that going for it.

I hope it comes with a Solar Flare effect part. Considering the first thing it always did whenever the form showed up was blind everybody.

I just hate that OOO is already getting alt forms and still no Accel Trial/Booster.

Not sure how well the SS Accel sold, but I imagine they're pumping OOO forms out due to how both TaToBa and GataKiriBa sold out instantly.

But I can still relate to your feelings because hey, been waiting years for the rest of those Kuuga form, Bandai.

Won't someone think of the poor Agito fans?

So they're willing to include extra accessories in SS line while normal releases are nonexistent.

Man I remember back then wanting to buy G3 because he came with so many weapons.

Anyway has anybody received their Taiga yet? Patiently waiting for mine.

Well, to be fair, SHF Vulcan comes with extra accessories for both him and Zero-One. The new thing is to have the main rider be as cheap as possible, so they're going to skimp on accessories so that more people are able to get the main rider whereas SS are for people who want to go for "accuracy" and high quality along with being able to show it off with their weapons. I'm also not a fan of this move, but I understand what they're trying to do.

Yes, he's great. The only problem is – seeing him "alone" on the shelf among the other Ultras really makes me wish we would get Titus and Fuma as well, they're not even solicited yet :(

Yeah. The main Rider is being treated as an entry-way drug by Tamashii. They want to sell it to people who are not normally interested in higher-end collectibles, by giving them one for cheap so they can see if the quality is worth the "normal" price.

Although I must say, including the weapons with the retail release secondary Rider is a vast improvement over including them with the Web-Exclusive bike nobody wants.

So, anyone want the bike to come with Izu this time around?

Beat me to it.

That's fantastic. I'm just a bit bummed that he's pretty barebones that his effect part is locked on Tregear. And yeah they need to announce Titas and Fuma. They'll most likely be exclusives, so we'd better save up.

I don't mind about the bike thing if they utilized the bike often like Build, but Zi-O rarely used his bike, hell it's basically nonexistent.

But yes, having the weapons to come with another retail Rider is a welcome change. Even though Rising Hopper is the most brawler-looking Rider out there so the lack of weapons doesn't bother me with him.

If they make Izu, it will sold out in minutes and Bandai will have no choice but to have her as normal release instead to keep up with demands.

Lol, they didn't turn Cross-Z, Grease, Eternal or any of Genm's SHF into retails to keep up with the demand. Just see how expensive they are on Mandarake.

Like, seriously. 20,000Y for Eternal??

Taiga "suffers" from the same concept as Zero One - he's an entry-way drug, so he needs to be cheap.

And there are not really any accessories I would include with him except effect parts. But - Tregear is a must have for me so I'm not complaining ;)

On the plus side, that probably means they'll have effect parts included with them. Fuma's energy shuriken makes for an awesome accessory piece IMO.


Even Build phased out the bike completely. Later than usual, but still. Zi-O and Zero-One though - you can count bike appearances with one hand, maybe two, and I don’t think we will get many more scenes with the Rise Hopper either.

But hey, now that the weapons come with figures again there's no need to get the bikes, so that's nice.

To be fair, some Web-Exclusives do get a second wave due to high demand, Genm Level 0 was among them.

I still can't believe Cross-Z was n exclusive.

Everyone else makes some kind of sense... but the secondary Rider's base form? What?

It kind of makes sense since Cross-Z appeared in merely 4 episodes before the suit was succeeded by Cross-Z Charge. Which is the form they sold at retail.

From a toy and marketing perspective, there's a lot of very odd things to do with Cross-Z vs Cross-Z Charge in general which his Figuarts situation fits into perfectly. The more you look and think about it the more it's clear it's not a normal secondary rider situation toy-wise.

Still bummed out Grease and Rogue weren't retail releases either. What happened to more than three retail riders? Ex-Aid had the main rider, Brave, Snipe, and Hunter Gamer.

It absolutely sucks honestly. Exclusives used to be reserved for stuff like Movie riders/forms and minor miscellaneous forms (agito storm, w heatjoker etc) but now they just take the piss. Do SHF Kamen Riders just not sell as well anymore? I admit I sometimes wonder when I see stuff like Seihou Accel refusing to sell for a bit...

Seihou Accel not selling well? That explains why he's only 5000Y on Mandarake. I might get him. Love Accel.

Hopefully Bandai announces Prime Rogue before my wallet gets swept by any more of the beautiful suits of Zero-One. I just want a figure of Gentoku that's not Night Rogue. Night Rogue is cool and all but pales in comparison to the rest of Gentoku's suits.

Yeah, I definitely wanna pick up Accel at some point. 5000 is a steal.

IIRC, there was some official blog post implying that Prime Rogue would be getting released? I can't remember what exactly it was, but it seems likely.