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Klonoahedgehog 06-24-2015 06:19 PM
I know i'm a bit late to thgis but GG!

Galvantula 06-24-2015 10:36 PM
Visited the SSBWiki and I found out about both Peach's Castle 64 and Hyrule Castle becoming DLC for SSB4.

Call me crazy but I always loved Peach's Castle in SSB 64 and it's good to see it coming back once the DLC gets a date stating its release.

So what are your thoughts on the matter Tokunation?

Powerman293 06-24-2015 11:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 531408)
Visited the SSBWiki and I found out about both Peach's Castle 64 and Hyrule Castle becoming DLC for SSB4.

Call me crazy but I always loved Peach's Castle in SSB 64 and it's good to see it coming back once the DLC gets a date stating its release.

So what are your thoughts on the matter Tokunation?
It's great to see new stages come back, but I am surprised that they're only doing 64 stuff for now. Now that I think about, those stages easily work on both 3DS and Wii U, whereas some Melee and Brawl stages might not work as well on a handheld. Here's hoping Pirate ship and Brinstar depths come back.

Matrixbeast 06-25-2015 12:37 AM
I'm glad Hyrule Castle is coming back. Not too pumped on Peach's Castle. I would like to see Saffron City from 64, Pokemon Stadium from Melee, or Hanenbow from Brawl to return (Note: I don't own a WiiU copy, so I don't know if these returned).

Klonoahedgehog 06-25-2015 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 531491)
I'm glad Hyrule Castle is coming back. Not too pumped on Peach's Castle. I would like to see Saffron City from 64, Pokemon Stadium from Melee, or Hanenbow from Brawl to return (Note: I don't own a WiiU copy, so I don't know if these returned).
Pokemon Stadium is in Smash HD i think, it's been a while since i played so i don't remember.
I'd LOVE to see Saffron make a return as DLC, love that stage.

Matrixbeast 06-25-2015 01:21 AM
I should've assumed as much. I just wish it was on the 3DS :lol
And I love it, too. I'd definitely buy it~

SideswipePrime 06-25-2015 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 531491)
I'm glad Hyrule Castle is coming back. Not too pumped on Peach's Castle. I would like to see Saffron City from 64, Pokemon Stadium from Melee, or Hanenbow from Brawl to return (Note: I don't own a WiiU copy, so I don't know if these returned).
Wii U has Brawl Pokemon Stadium.

and OH MY GOSH! Saffron City would be great!

Galvantula 06-25-2015 08:32 AM
Yeah it is a drag that the 3DS can't have more 64 goodness in its Smash but regardless I'm glad we're getting two overlooked stages back in the foreseeable future.

I daresay SSB4 is shaping up to be the definitive version of Super Smash Bros; perhaps more than Project M which carters to the competive side of the fandom than everyone else.

Matrixbeast 06-25-2015 05:14 PM

Klonoahedgehog 06-25-2015 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 531726)
Knowing the context behind the joke just made it a lot more funny. :lolol

SanoBaron 06-25-2015 09:15 PM
it's also even funnier when you realize Eliwood's game was the first Fire Emblem to come out in America.

Matrixbeast 06-25-2015 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SanoBaron (Post 531804)
it's also even funnier when you realize Eliwood's game was the first Fire Emblem to come out in America.
Really? Awesome~

Galvantula 06-27-2015 05:55 PM
Has anyone here heard of the SSB4 Death Pool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftzaKYLfDs0

Powerman293 06-27-2015 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 532253)
Has anyone here heard of the SSB4 Death Pool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftzaKYLfDs0
I've seen things similar to it where people do it with final destination instead.


Has anybody here used amiibo in Smash 4? I got two and I plan on using them, but for what purpose or how to train them.... I don't know.

KamenRiderOOO 06-27-2015 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 532256)
I've seen things similar to it where people do it with final destination instead.


Has anybody here used amiibo in Smash 4? I got two and I plan on using them, but for what purpose or how to train them.... I don't know.
At the current time, the only way to use Amiibo is on the WiiU or New 3DS XL. The old 3DS models now have the option in the latest software update, but you have to wait for the NFC reader to come out to actually use them.

Powerman293 06-27-2015 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO (Post 532257)
At the current time, the only way to use Amiibo is on the WiiU or New 3DS XL. The old 3DS models now have the option in the latest software update, but you have to wait for the NFC reader to come out to actually use them.
I have a Wii U, so I'm fine. I don't plan on buying that 3DS adapter thing since my friend has a new 3DS so I can skirt the purchase for awhile.

I know you have amiibo but it sucks to be an OG 3DS owner in this case.

KamenRiderOOO 06-27-2015 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 532258)
I have a Wii U, so I'm fine. I don't plan on buying that 3DS adapter thing since my friend has a new 3DS so I can skirt the purchase for awhile.

I know you have amiibo but it sucks to be an OG 3DS owner in this case.
Eh, I'm fine with it. I mean, yes I've had Amiibo for a couple of months and I'm getting more in the mail, but eh, at least I have/am getting the ones I want before they become completely scarce lol. At least when the NFC reader comes out, I'll have most of the ones I wanted to have anyway.

Klonoahedgehog 06-27-2015 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 532256)
I've seen things similar to it where people do it with final destination instead.


Has anybody here used amiibo in Smash 4? I got two and I plan on using them, but for what purpose or how to train them.... I don't know.
The one thing you need to know about training amiibos, be at least decent at the characters your training.
After all how do you expect your amiibo to be a good fighter if you don't know how to use said characters?

Once i get around to training mine i have full confidence that my Megaman and Peach amiibos will be boss.

KamenRiderOOO 06-27-2015 07:53 PM
Need to find an updated version of this. But basically, Greens are the ones I own, Blue are the ones on the way, Reds are the ones I want the most, and Dark Reds are ones I want just for customizing

https://41.media.tumblr.com/ef649adf...67s6o1_540.jpg

SideswipePrime 06-27-2015 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 532253)
Has anyone here heard of the SSB4 Death Pool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftzaKYLfDs0
Not until now. That's a very interesting way of testing different characters recoveries. Also Ness can't get over, but Lucas can? Interesting.

Klonoahedgehog 06-27-2015 08:06 PM
I only need 4 more and i'll have a my mains.
That and the KI:U cast... This is gonna be hell for me.

Matrixbeast 06-27-2015 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 532288)
Not until now. That's a very interesting way of testing different characters recoveries. Also Ness can't get over, but Lucas can? Interesting.
I actually thought about linking you to it, but assumed you already saw it x3
And Lucas's PK Thunder launches him a lot farther.

SideswipePrime 06-27-2015 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 532301)
I actually thought about linking you to it, but assumed you already saw it x3
And Lucas's PK Thunder launches him a lot farther.
Ah.

In other news, I got Ryu and Roy today.

Galvantula 06-27-2015 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 532305)
Ah.

In other news, I got Ryu and Roy today.
One of these days I'm going to get the DLC characters for my 3DS version, I swear.

Klonoahedgehog 06-27-2015 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 532342)
One of these days I'm going to get the DLC characters for my 3DS version, I swear.
I thought you had Ryu already?

Galvantula 06-27-2015 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoahedgehog (Post 532347)
I thought you had Ryu already?
I do but all the DLC's on my Wii U version, not the 3DS one.

If I had time to get more eShop money I'd gladly get all 4 for my 3DS but this weekend I just don't have that time to spare.

SideswipePrime 06-27-2015 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 532353)
I do but all the DLC's on my Wii U version, not the 3DS one.

If I had time to get more eShop money I'd gladly get all 4 for my 3DS but this weekend I just don't have that time to spare.
Makes sense. If I had to go with one or the other I'd go Wii U, luckily I was able to get those two for both.

Powerman293 06-28-2015 02:10 PM
Would anybody be interested in reading my idea of a potential moveset for Zero from Mega Man X in Smash?

Galvantula 06-28-2015 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 532476)
Would anybody be interested in reading my idea of a potential moveset for Zero from Mega Man X in Smash?

Why yes, by all means! I did one for the red Maverick Hunter months back and I'm honestly interested in seeing what you have for Zero.

I'm also quite giddy over how much you guys liked the Death Pool video I linked. I find it fascinating how characters' recoveries do on strange custom stages.

EDIT: Here's the moveset I did Powerman.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 456506)
Neutral A: The classic three hit combo from X4 and X5.

Dashing Attack: Shippuuga. Little to some knockback. Does one to three hits.

Side tilt: Swings Z Saber with two hands horizontally.

Down tilt: Crouching slash from X5.

Up tilt: Swings Z Saber overhead.

Side Smash: Charged Z Saber from Megaman Zero 1-4.

Down Smash. Strong crouching attack from Tatsunoko vs. Capcom.

Up Smash: Shoenzan from X6. Fire Damage.

Neutral A Air:Kuuenzan. Spinning air attack

Forward A Air: Default air attack from X4 and X5

Back A Air: Zero spins around and slashes behind him

Up A Air: Swings Z Saber overhead in air.

Down A Air: Sentsuizan. Falls down fast at an angle but does great damage.

Specials:

Normal B: Ensuizan. Can do this as long as there is shield but once shield is drained using this will put Zero in stun. Strong priority but little to no KO power.

Custom Normal B 1: Three stage charge attack. Works like Wario's Down B.

No charge: Purple torpedo charge with little damage.

halfway charge: Yellow charge that works like mostly charged Super Scope shot.

full charge: Two yellow charges and a weak Z Saber shot with each B button press.

Custom Normal B 2: Time Stopper. Mid range attack that stuns. Cannot be absorbed but can be reflected.

Up B: Ryuenjin. Fire Damage. Good recovery but only has killing power at start and end of move. During other times has sourspot hitbox.

Custom Up B 1: Thunder Slash. Great recovery but not much KO power. Leaves electric trail from sword edge during move that does moderate damage but no knockback. Electric Damage.

Custom Up B 2: Hyouryuushou. Awesome KO power but recovers like Little Mac's Up B. Ice damage.

Down B: IN AIR: Hyouretsuzan. Decent falling speed. Does Ice damage.

ON GROUND: Hyougetsujin. Ice wave that goes about 1/3 of Final Destination. Blocks projectiles but doesn't KO until around 300%

Custom Down B 1:IN AIR: Enkoujin. Slow falling attack that does fire damage. When Zero hits the ground a fire pillar erupts from the platform the Z saber hits.

ON GROUND: Fire Wave: Flamethrower that doesn't push characters as far as the Gust Bellows but does slight fire damage in return.

Custom Down B 2: IN AIR: Rakukojin. Great KO power but bad endmove lag. When Zero hits the ground two Metal Anchors will go left and right that do weak slashing damage.

ON GROUND: Guard Shell. Works like Palutena's Reflect special.

Side B: ON GROUND: Raijingeki. Strong Electric stab with bad lag during move's end.

IN AIR: Raikousen. Electric air dash that goes rather far. Can be easy to self KO without prior planning.

Custom Side B 1: ON GROUND: Youdantotsu. Incredible launching power but is slow to both start and end.

IN AIR.Hieijin. Homes in on closest enemy. Decent damage.

Custom Side B 2: ON GROUND: Ice Javelin. Multi hit slashing ice projective that does moderate damage but doesn't really KO until higher damages.

IN AIR: Ice Dash. Multi hitting ice attack that has some Super Armor.

Final Smash: Tenshuoha. Shines a beam of light around Zero about 2 Marios wide. Does LOTS of damage with some knockback to it too.

Ledge Attacks:

Under 100: Quick hop with a slash at the end.

100 and over: Strong flipping slash attack ala Ike's Up B.

Grabs:

A: Punches.

Up: Throws victim up and stabs them with Z Saber.

Down: Just judo throws them down. No KO power but high damage.

Forward: Overhead toss.

Backwards: Elbows victim in stomach strongly.

Powerman293 06-28-2015 04:12 PM
So it took me awhile, but here's my moveset for Zero. I kinda made him a mix between Mega Man (In that many of his special moves from his source materials are regular moves) and Ryu (with inputs/gameplay style unique to him).

A: Z buster fire

Dash attack: Uses Z Saber (Xtreme 1 and 2)

Forward tilt: Z Buster firing while walking forwards

Up tilt: Z-saber

Down tilt: Sweep kick

Tap forward twice: Zero does a dash. Longer range and faster then a dodge roll and faster then running, it is primarily used for comboing but ti can only be used on the ground and has a lot of stopping/end lag.

Side Smash: Raijingeki (X4) Similar to Shulk’s F-smash.

Up Smash: Z-Rod ( Zero 1). Tip does the most damage and knockback

Down Smash: Z saber sweep: Similar to Marth’s

Neutral Air: Kuunezan (X4) Goes around the entire character

Forward Air: Z saber (X4 and on)

Down Air: Saber Smash (Zero 3)

Back Air: Recoil Rod (Zero 3)

Up-B: Ryunejin (X4). Similar to Roy’s Up-B except a much higher vertical recovery and slightly horizontal but not optional inputs.

Custom Up B 1: E-blade (X5). Weaker and, but can hit below and to the side of Zero.

Custom Up-B 2: C-Sword (X5). Goes straight up Vertically and pushes enemies away.

Side-B: F-Splasher (X5). Used for horizontal recovery.

Custom 1 Side-B: Heinyaku (X4). Greater Horizontal recovery, but no damage.



Down-B: Gokumonken (X7). A counter.

Custom 1 Down-B: W-Shredder.(X5) Works similar to Greninja and Lucario’s Counters.

Custom 2 Down-B: Twin Dream (X5). Replaces Zero with a shadow, and puts Zero a bit behind the shadow with the shadow doing the counter.

Neutral B: Charge. It has three levels that can be used and can be used in conjunction with other specials. Releasing the B button with any charge and Zero will fire a charge shot. Using Up-B with a charge allows greater vertical recovery and damage but much more endlag. Same for Side-B. Down-B will allow for a stronger counter.

Custom 1 Neutral B: Shield sweep (Zero 3). Goes in front of Zero and blocks projectiles and pushes foes back and can be used in conjunction with other specials. When used with Down B, it reverses the direction of the counter’s knockback.

Custom 2 Neutral B: Zankourin (X7) Can be charged for a fast, ground based projectile but other specials cannot be used.


Shield: Shield boomerang (Zero 1-3)

Grab: Chain Rod (Zero 2) Similar to long reaching grabs like Link or Samus

Z-air: Chain rod (Zero 2)

Pummel: Punches

Back Throw: Throws back using Z-Knuckle (Zero 4)

Forward throw: Tenkuuha (X4)

Up throw: Shoenzan (X6).

Down Throw: Quake Blazer (X5)

Final Smash: Ittouryoudan:Genmurei

Klonoahedgehog 06-28-2015 04:23 PM
You should copy paste that to the Smash ballot. :lol

Powerman293 06-28-2015 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Klonoahedgehog (Post 532489)
You should copy paste that to the Smash ballot. :lol
*Looks at character limit* Um.....

KamenRiderOOO 06-29-2015 07:20 PM
Amiibos. Lucario is now Lucy :lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CItROqDUEAAFZpi.jpg

Matrixbeast 06-29-2015 08:40 PM
I don't want to be too critical, but that Kirby is looking a little sloppy.
(Lucy is looking great, though :D)

KamenRiderOOO 06-29-2015 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 532822)
I don't want to be too critical, but that Kirby is looking a little sloppy.
(Lucy is looking great, though :D)
Oh, you're not being critical, I know Kirby looks crappy XD. It's always hard to paint white. Especially on such a smooth surface T_T.

Thanks about Lucy ^_^

SideswipePrime 06-29-2015 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO (Post 532807)
Amiibos. Lucario is now Lucy :lol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CItROqDUEAAFZpi.jpg
If Rosalina's not there tomorrow morning, then it totally wasn't me who took it. >_>

KamenRiderOOO 06-29-2015 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 532840)
If Rosalina's not there tomorrow morning, then it totally wasn't me who took it. >_>
I thought you already got one from Pkmn?

SideswipePrime 06-29-2015 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KamenRiderOOO (Post 532843)
I thought you already got one from Pkmn?
Oh yeah, I did. How could I forget?!? *sigh* Fasting is really messing with my head... :lol

Matrixbeast 06-29-2015 10:28 PM
That's not to say that the Rosalina won't go missing, though...

King Prinny 06-29-2015 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 532849)
That's not to say that the Rosalina won't go missing, though...
Yeah..... i mean it's not like one of us have the tools, the means to get to your location, and an alibi


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