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Locke 06-14-2013 11:21 AM
I'll still always take OT and their practice to try and translate everything best they can rather than TVN who go 'oh well there isn't a direct translation we'll just leave it then and add some cute animations to it instead'.

Matrixbeast 06-14-2013 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 171567)
I just think it makes so much more sense to insert a translation note rather than dialogue that isn't actually there for the truly impossible to translate and correspond terms. It doesn't ruin anything when you're trying to keep the point or meaning of the dialogue intact. It's like when OT tries to localize euphemisms so that we understand them. They come off even weirder than if you just left them as is like TVN does. And I'm not in this argument to take one group over the other right now, just trying to illustrate a point.

And while subs don't teach you another language or anything like that, I can't help but pick up a couple simple phrases over a period time. However I will say that it kills me to see words that have clear translations in place like "sayonara" "itadakimasu" or "aniki" left untranslated. And it irks me to see terms like "aniki" "tou-san" "ka-san" etc be substituted with the actual proper names of the characters. Just say brother, father, mother.
My primary argument isn't OT vs TVN. I'm just stating my thoughts on the matter. I feel that it's better to give the viewer an approximate translation, rather than leave the Japanese terms and present a one off translation note.

While it is inevitable to pick up basic terms like "Nii-san", it just feels like some subbers assume I know more than they think (This is more prevalent in anime subs, which leave an abundance of Japanese terms in), especially since translation notes aren't always present (For example, one anime gave me a translation note for "Aniki" right off the bat, but didn't for "Aibou", which I only learned later thanks to TVN's Kabuto sub (And subsequently forgot, meaning that, should a show leave "Aibou" untranslated, I'll be left shrugging and hoping context will help me remember :lol).

SPLIT LIP 06-14-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 171570)
I'll still always take OT and their practice to try and translate everything best they can rather than TVN who go 'oh well there isn't a direct translation we'll just leave it then and add some cute animations to it instead'.
My bro.

Also, if they're worried about translating it into something that wouldn't make sense... why then leave it as something we cannot understand?

Also, why then do they do, well, what they did in Ryuki when that girl is talking about her "Onee-chan", which obviously means brother. I know this because when other people say "Onee-chan" they actually translate it as "brother." It's inconsistent and lazy.

Switchblade 06-14-2013 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 171550)
That is why I'm not a big fan of TVN's subs, half their shit isn't actually translated. Maybe they should spend less time making fancy colours and more time translating their shit.
Why are you such a Westboro Baptist, Locke?

:rolleyes

SPLIT LIP 06-14-2013 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 171603)
Why are you such a Westboro Baptist, Locke?

:rolleyes
Yeah Locke, why can't you instantly pick up on Japanese words and meanings without any explanation or consistent context?

Battlizer 06-14-2013 01:11 PM
Kiva 40 and 41

Speaking of translation issues, the sub on Kiva is refusing to translate mother or brother anymore when they did so a few episodes prior. It doesn't bother me too much, but it's noticeable in the subs. Well, whatever...

I think douchery is like some sort of hate plague in Kiva. Kengo, being humbled, lost it and now the full strain has passed onto Shima. Thankfully, Nago has IXA back though.

Nice to see the three monsters (I've gotta think of a better name for them) all think of Otoya as their friend now and are willing to die for that. Or get turned into weapons, whatever. Even though, I know they'll be sorta alright (and suffer twenty years of boredom playing cards), it was still sad to see 'em get taken down by King.

I think Sagarc is like a UFO thing though. A snake themed one, seeing as Taiga just summoned a bunch of giant sagarc snake flying saucer things.

Matrixbeast 06-14-2013 01:16 PM
I think those 3 are called the Arms Monsters.

Battlizer 06-14-2013 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 171616)
I think those 3 are called the Arms Monsters.
Are they? Alright, that works.

Locke 06-14-2013 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 171593)
My bro.

Also, if they're worried about translating it into something that wouldn't make sense... why then leave it as something we cannot understand?

Also, why then do they do, well, what they did in Ryuki when that girl is talking about her "Onee-chan", which obviously means brother. I know this because when other people say "Onee-chan" they actually translate it as "brother." It's inconsistent and lazy.
That is the irony!

"Oh if we try and translate this it might be inaccurate and make no sense...so we'll just leave in a word that has no meaning to the English speaking audience at all...I mean they could decipher the meaning from the translation even if isn't 100 percent accurate but fuck that cute animations yay!"

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 171605)
Yeah Locke, why can't you instantly pick up on Japanese words and meanings without any explanation or consistent context?
Yeah Locke, why can't you?

ZeoRangerV 06-14-2013 05:06 PM
Episode 6 of Amazon, where our Rider has already started befriending banished monsters.

I love how Amazon's so badass he doesn't kill the monsters half the time, he just rips them to shreds and then sends them back to Gedon who finishes the job in a blind rage.


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