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DaiRiderRX 08-25-2012 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowfall (Post 47491)
It's only been "defeated" by means of blind hope and ignorance, there's no point of arguing it further. Notice how every single one of the polls only mentions characters that were in Sentai? Even the original question of "would you like to see PR villians?" only used Goldar as an example, not Lord Zedd or the Psycho Rangers, who would obviously be far more popular with PR fans. Bluefin are going to more effort to distribute the figures, but they're still only distributing them. Not making them. With Shinken Red's still self warming in Toys R Us, what sense does it make for them to release MORE figures on a mass scale just for the small US market?

I don't want to be a jerk about it, if you guys are having fun discussing possibilities, but it just seems like one big fan dream with people refusing to see logic.
yet ONCE AGAIN, you ignore that bluefin has gotten figuarts made solely for the US market. the DBZ line and characters like Vile form D-arts are proof of this. Its like you say what you want and when given examples that prove you wrong you stick your fingers in your ears and just go LALALALALALALALA!

Power Rangers is a bigger market than DBZ and Megaman combine here in america, a Lord Zedd, like i've said before, would sell GANGBUSTERS

in fact, i'd probably willing to bet a Lord Zedd figuart would be one of the best selling figures bluefin tamashii could ever bring over here.

Bluefin Tamashii is the distributor over here for figuarts, they don't produce the figures, but they got a say in what gets made for the market, as the countless Megaman and DBZ polls have shown. the figuarts DBZ line would be DEAD if it wasn't for american sales

ZeoRangerV 08-25-2012 03:40 AM
To be fair the Dragonball Z characters are still Dragonball Z characters though. They appeared in a show that was massive in Japan, and whether its bigger over here or not its still reasonably popular in Japan otherwise they wouldn't keep churning out OVAs and videos games of it over there.

The examples of Megaman and DBZ are all well and good, but Bluefin are yet to show Tamashii Nations make a character that was created by the US for the US. I DO think that may happen for characters like Lord Zedd since he was extremely popular, but I agree with Snowfall that a lot of people are probably overestimating just how many Power Rangers Figuarts we're going to get that aren't just ranger teams with Sentai counterparts.

Snowfall 08-25-2012 03:42 AM
Megaman and DBZ are not Power Rangers. Both of those franchises have HUGE fanbases over here, primarily with older teens/adults who collect those kinds of things.

I'm not claiming that Power Rangers isn't a popular show, but it's primary audiance is kids and parents are not willing to spend $40+ on a single action figure. That's been proven time and time again. Everyone claimed Shinken Red would sell gangbusters in the US, if they'd only take a chance and release him and look what happened.

And again, the single biggest flaw in your argument is that none of Bluefins polls have once listed a Power Ranger character, only the ones with Sentai counterparts. Perhaps if the figures they're currently bringing over manage to sell well enough, they'll take an interest in making Power Rangers exclusive ones, I won't rule that out as a possibility. But right now, it's just not happening. They're taking notice of the US fans and that's the first step, but let's try to run before we can crawl.

DaiRiderRX 08-25-2012 03:43 AM
Power rangers has a larger fanbase over here in america though, power ranger is more of a household name than DBZ or megaman.

every young person in thier 20's would see a lord zedd figuart and go "HOLY SH*T I REMEMBER HIM! THAT'S SO COOL!" and might just impulse buy it because of that strong nostalgia

like it said, its not a garuntee, but its a WAY more possibiity than you think

Sentai 08-25-2012 05:49 AM
The flaw in your logic, Snowfall, is that Zedd was released in Japan. Saban/Toei dubbed and released almost every season of MMPR in Japan now. Including episodes with Zedd and the Psycho Rangers. So it does have a Japanese Audiance, they would know who and what he is, so they could make a Figuart of him and sell it in Japan. Even as a webshop exclusive. So you're arguement about how He's an America Only Character and he'd never sell in Japan? Invalid.

And the arguement about how Kamen Rider and Sentai are mainly a kid property? Then explain to me how Figuarts sell at all. Since, as you said, more kids watch it then adults. That arguement makes no sense. If adult collecters didn't buy Figuarts: Bluefin wouldn't exist, we'd never get Figuarts in our local TRU's, and Figuarts would never leave Japan's shores.

And I'll end with this. Unless you work for Bluefin, are in every meeting, or have mental powers, you don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they're doing. This is all speculation. So to talk in such absolutes, like any of us know for absolutely sure what's going to happen, is what's foolish.

Look how about many people said they'd skip Goseiger. Look how that all worked out for you.

Kamen Rider Meteor 08-25-2012 06:41 AM
I don't suppose anybody here knows the date in Sept when Red Buster is released do they? I can't seem to find anything other then the month.

Snowfall 08-25-2012 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 47510)
The flaw in your logic, Snowfall, is that Zedd was released in Japan. Saban/Toei dubbed and released almost every season of MMPR in Japan now. Including episodes with Zedd and the Psycho Rangers. So it does have a Japanese Audiance, they would know who and what he is, so they could make a Figuart of him and sell it in Japan. Even as a webshop exclusive. So you're arguement about how He's an America Only Character and he'd never sell in Japan? Invalid.
Only the first season of MMPR was dubbed for Japan, as well as the movie. So yeah, they technically know who he is, but even if he was a web exclusive, that's a pretty obscure character to make over the hundreds of really popular Sentai/Kamen Rider characters. You might as well be asking for Ivan Ooze, he at least played a major role in the movie.

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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 47510)
And the arguement about how Kamen Rider and Sentai are mainly a kid property? Then explain to me how Figuarts sell at all. Since, as you said, more kids watch it then adults. That arguement makes no sense. If adult collecters didn't buy Figuarts: Bluefin wouldn't exist, we'd never get Figuarts in our local TRU's, and Figuarts would never leave Japan's shores.
They sell in Japan and there is a limited fanbase over here. Enough to be worth bringing over in limited quantities, but not for mass retail. This is why they're being sold through specialist retailers and not showing up in Toys R Us any more.

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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 47510)
And I'll end with this. Unless you work for Bluefin, are in every meeting, or have mental powers, you don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they're doing. This is all speculation. So to talk in such absolutes, like any of us know for absolutely sure what's going to happen, is what's foolish.
Yet it hasn't stopped you and several others from picking apart my every word and trying to prove how I must be wrong and you must be right. I'm simply stating facts. Bluefin are a distributor and are currently bringing over Toku Figuarts from Japan. They've been asking for fan feedback once or twice, but there's no indication any of those figures will arrive in the US with Power Rangers branding and there's certainly been no mention of Power Rangers specific characters being made. Feel free to speculate, all I've been saying is that the chances are slim.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Meteor (Post 47518)
I don't suppose anybody here knows the date in Sept when Red Buster is released do they? I can't seem to find anything other then the month.
They usually don't tell us the specific date until closer to the release. We should find out soon.

MidoGreen 08-25-2012 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Meteor (Post 47518)
I don't suppose anybody here knows the date in Sept when Red Buster is released do they? I can't seem to find anything other then the month.
Once it's Septermber, the release date should be listed on the Tamashii page, along with the release date for all of their other products for the month.

Kamen Rider Meteor 08-25-2012 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MidoGreen (Post 47535)
Once it's Septermber, the release date should be listed on the Tamashii page, along with the release date for all of their other products for the month.
Thanks for the info guys , i appreciate it

Den-O 08-25-2012 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowfall (Post 47521)
Only the first season of MMPR was dubbed for Japan, as well as the movie. So yeah, they technically know who he is, but even if he was a web exclusive, that's a pretty obscure character to make over the hundreds of really popular Sentai/Kamen Rider characters. You might as well be asking for Ivan Ooze, he at least played a major role in the movie.



They sell in Japan and there is a limited fanbase over here. Enough to be worth bringing over in limited quantities, but not for mass retail. This is why they're being sold through specialist retailers and not showing up in Toys R Us any more.



Yet it hasn't stopped you and several others from picking apart my every word and trying to prove how I must be wrong and you must be right. I'm simply stating facts. Bluefin are a distributor and are currently bringing over Toku Figuarts from Japan. They've been asking for fan feedback once or twice, but there's no indication any of those figures will arrive in the US with Power Rangers branding and there's certainly been no mention of Power Rangers specific characters being made. Feel free to speculate, all I've been saying is that the chances are slim.



They usually don't tell us the specific date until closer to the release. We should find out soon.
I for one agree with you 100%

Matrixbeast 08-25-2012 06:31 PM
I'd agree, except for one point.
Outside of villains (Who I'm led to believe are poor sellers in their own right, often getting sold as exclusives), there are only 4 American made characters, Titanium and the Spirit Rangers (Hailing from two extremely lackluster series). The argument of "They're only listing characters with Sentai counterparts!" really doesn't hold when the PR only list is minuscule and the characters themselves weren't heavy hitters in terms of popularity.

kidicarus 08-26-2012 03:12 PM
The arguement of figuarts in TRU, i believe, is totally irrelevenat. That has noting to do with bluefin at all. However, i do agree the most parents wont shell out anymore than $40 for any sort of toy, be it rangers, marvel or dc.

Kiryu 08-26-2012 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kidicarus (Post 47829)
The arguement of figuarts in TRU, i believe, is totally irrelevenat. That has noting to do with bluefin at all. However, i do agree the most parents wont shell out anymore than $40 for any sort of toy, be it rangers, marvel or dc.
Actually, I think Blu Fin did have something to do with Shinken Red and Gold hitting TRUs, if I remember right from the interview Vangelus did.

Dr Kain 08-26-2012 04:52 PM
Okay, I'm sorry to ask another question about SAL, but I am really having a hard time feeling comfortable on choosing that option. I think my problem is, Mandrake does not give me a shipping estimate. I have to choose my shipping option when I place the order, but there is no way to know what shipping will be beforehand. I want to see a clear price difference between DHL, EMS, and SAL before I choose, because if ti is only like $5-10, I'd be better off just going with DHL. However, if it is like a $20-25 price difference, I might go with SAL. Is there a big difference?

Matrixbeast 08-26-2012 05:10 PM
That's my problem with Mandarake. When I almost ordered SH Den-O Wing Form and the 4 form pack for about $45, they emailed me the total price and the shipping was $30 f*cking dollars! o_o

coturos 08-26-2012 05:15 PM
you DO know how big that set is right...

Electric Turahk 08-26-2012 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coturos (Post 47847)
you DO know how big that set is right...
While that IS a fair point...

Not getting shipping estimates is still a legitimate complaint IMO. It's one of my problems with Mandarake too.

I've only ever gone SAL, though, because I buy when I know it'll get to there I'm at and I'm not too impatient about getting my figures. So I guess I can't be of much help here..

Kamen Rider Meteor 08-26-2012 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Electric Turahk (Post 47852)
While that IS a fair point...

Not getting shipping estimates is still a legitimate complaint IMO. It's one of my problems with Mandarake too.

I've only ever gone SAL, though, because I buy when I know it'll get to there I'm at and I'm not too impatient about getting my figures. So I guess I can't be of much help here..
Well said.

Dr Kain 08-26-2012 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by coturos (Post 47847)
you DO know how big that set is right...
Here is the thing, I want to order Fourze Modules 1 and 2 (600 and 2000 yen), Fire States (1200 yen), the bike (2000 yen), and the display set (1000 yen), but I do not know which shipping is going to be the most beneficial to me. I mean, I paid 2400 yen for DHL shipping on Knight, so if DHL is $30 ish and SAL were to be $20ish, I would rather use DHL.

MidoGreen 08-26-2012 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 47858)
Here is the thing, I want to order Fourze Modules 1 and 2 (600 and 2000 yen), Fire States (1200 yen), the bike (2000 yen), and the display set (1000 yen), but I do not know which shipping is going to be the most beneficial to me. I mean, I paid 2400 yen for DHL shipping on Knight, so if DHL is $30 ish and SAL were to be $20ish, I would rather use DHL.
Hm, if the order is that big, EMS or DHL might work best. That sounds like it might be a bit too much for SAL size restrictions. BTW, are those all one store? I don't mean to sound condescending, but if you're getting from different stores that have listings on Mandarake, you'll get hit with multiple shipping charges.

Sentai 08-26-2012 08:43 PM
A Go-Busters Nick that can transform from Buddyroid to Bike mode.

Dr Kain 08-26-2012 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MidoGreen (Post 47891)
Hm, if the order is that big, EMS or DHL might work best. That sounds like it might be a bit too much for SAL size restrictions. BTW, are those all one store? I don't mean to sound condescending, but if you're getting from different stores that have listings on Mandarake, you'll get hit with multiple shipping charges.
Yep, they were all at Nakano. They also had Module 3 the other day, but that seems to have disappeared (so sold).

CookSux 08-27-2012 03:59 AM
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Review: SHF Kamen Rider Den-O Sword Form

Dr Kain 08-27-2012 10:43 AM
Yeah, I just stupidly bought the Fourze Modules 1 and 2, Machine Massingler, and Display Stand from Mandrake not realizing it was going to be $105 once all was said and converted. I'm kicking myself for not canceling my order.

Matrixbeast 08-27-2012 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 48016)
Yeah, I just stupidly bought the Fourze Modules 1 and 2, Machine Massingler, and Display Stand from Mandrake not realizing it was going to be $105 once all was said and converted. I'm kicking myself for not canceling my order.
Yeah, that stuff adds up. The $80 from just two figures was enough to make me cancel.

Den-O 08-27-2012 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CookSux (Post 47957)
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Review: SHF Kamen Rider Den-O Sword Form
Was gonna throw my gallery up tonight :lol

Dr Kain 08-27-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 48021)
Yeah, that stuff adds up. The $80 from just two figures was enough to make me cancel.
It's too late to cancel my order now, right?

Den-O 08-27-2012 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 48021)
Yeah, that stuff adds up. The $80 from just two figures was enough to make me cancel.
I understand the frustration but how exactly do you expect them to quote you shipping beforehand? Depending on the number of items and weight the shipping whill be wildly different. They couldn't possibly give it to you up front because they have no idea what their costs will be for time and shipping supplies. A good rule of thumb is that one Figuart costs around 2000 yen to ship EMS. EMS is based on weight so you can roughly estimate it that way. SAL is a fraction of that cost and incredibly easy to use as well. All of their shipping methods are protected and include tracking.

Matrixbeast 08-27-2012 11:38 AM
I'm not blaming Mandarake.
But the air of "It's cheaper" isn't entirely true when the only shipping options it gave me when I ordered were EMS or DHL.

Den-O 08-27-2012 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 48033)
I'm not blaming Mandarake.
But the air of "It's cheaper" isn't entirely true when the only shipping options it gave me when I ordered were EMS or DHL.
SAL can only be used with certain payment methods apparently. Although I use paypal to pay for it all the time? Its some weird glitch that let's me use paypal to pay for my SAL stuff. A SAL order can generally be under 1000 for 2 figures whereas EMS or DHL would be over double that.

bluesparrow 08-27-2012 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 48036)
SAL can only be used with certain payment methods apparently. Although I use paypal to pay for it all the time? Its some weird glitch that let's me use paypal to pay for my SAL stuff. A SAL order can generally be under 1000 for 2 figures whereas EMS or DHL would be over double that.
Yeah I've gotten the SAL option on some orders but not others. Maybe it's based on the store.

Sentai 08-27-2012 12:22 PM
I need help with my Gosei Knight. Mostly posing him. His armor gets in the way of alot of poses, so I was wondering if anyone who has one might be willing to share some tips.

Den-O 08-27-2012 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 48049)
I need help with my Gosei Knight. Mostly posing him. His armor gets in the way of alot of poses, so I was wondering if anyone who has one might be willing to share some tips.
Honestly there's not much of a fix. He's just poorly designed :lol Mine is the same way. That combined with poor quality control (on mine at least) makes him a tough pill to swallow.

Kamen Rider Meteor 08-27-2012 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 48054)
Honestly there's not much of a fix. He's just poorly designed :lol Mine is the same way. That combined with poor quality control (on mine at least) makes him a tough pill to swallow.
But he sure is pretty if you like vanilla poses like I do

Den-O 08-27-2012 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Meteor (Post 48060)
But he sure is pretty if you like vanilla poses like I do
Yeah, I usually keep him posed with the Leon Laser in Sword mode standing there looking like a badass. He doesn't need to pull off crazy poses I just wish he had the ability to do so.

Sentai 08-27-2012 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 48054)
Honestly there's not much of a fix. He's just poorly designed :lol Mine is the same way. That combined with poor quality control (on mine at least) makes him a tough pill to swallow.
The QC on mine was perfect. The joints are tight, but not so tight you're afraid of breaking. The paint aps are spotless. I really lucked out from the sound of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Meteor (Post 48060)
But he sure is pretty if you like vanilla poses like I do
Yes, yes he is :lol

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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 48061)
Yeah, I usually keep him posed with the Leon Laser in Sword mode standing there looking like a badass. He doesn't need to pull off crazy poses I just wish he had the ability to do so.
I don't want Crazyass poses. Just doing the sword one on the back of the box would be enough, but even that is troublesome with how his bicep armor is. He really suffers for lack of an elbow swivel. It wouldn't have taken much to make one of those joints a ball joint.

Dr Kain 08-27-2012 01:35 PM
BTW, DHL was 2400 yen for just Kamen Rider Knight and it was 2400 yen for the four items I ordered. Just in case you guys were wondering if you should ever use DHL. How it is the same for one item as it is for 4 I do not know.

Den-O 08-27-2012 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 48064)
BTW, DHL was 2400 yen for just Kamen Rider Knight and it was 2400 yen for the four items I ordered. Just in case you guys were wondering if you should ever use DHL. How it is the same for one item as it is for 4 I do not know.
I've used them before. And that's mainly because its an almost overnight service! I ordered my Black & Gold Gingaioh with DHL and just over 24 hours after paying for the order it arrived. DHL is crazy fast. Anytime I need something that quickly im happy to pay the extra. Its one hell of a service.

Supposedly Nakano has a "special" DHL rate which I've yet to figure out.

ryan 08-27-2012 02:49 PM
Is it just Nakano? It seems like Shibuya's DHL rates aren't too bad. Kokura's rates are bad though. And if you get too much stuff, SAL stops being cheap too.

Dr Kain 08-27-2012 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 48080)
I've used them before. And that's mainly because its an almost overnight service! I ordered my Black & Gold Gingaioh with DHL and just over 24 hours after paying for the order it arrived. DHL is crazy fast. Anytime I need something that quickly im happy to pay the extra. Its one hell of a service.

Supposedly Nakano has a "special" DHL rate which I've yet to figure out.
Interesting. But yeah, DHL is what Amazon Japan uses, so I always usually had the newest Blu-Ray/DVD release on the day it came out in Japan. If Mandrake gets my stuff out tomorrow or Wed, I expect to have them by Friday.

BTW, BBTS just listed the exclusive Fourze Module set, for $120. :eek: NO SET IS WORTH THAT PRICE!!!


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