I'm not really convinced CycloneAccel Xtreme is that much stronger than CycloneJoker Xtreme anyway. Yes Shroud made all these predictions and proclamations that it would be that much stronger, but at the time she was driven only by revenge and shrugging off Shotaro as weak, who then went on to surpass her expectations (didn't she say something like "Shotaro is the key" or something along those lines before she disappeared?).

At best like Den-O said I'd say it would probably be as strong as CJX.

Sentai doesn't really have this problem does it? I'm trying to think of a Sentai that has a special movie form, and I'm coming up empty. It's just a KR problem of what counts and what doesn't. Though if you wanted to use US only stuff. I'll use Dino Thunder. What would be Red's Final Form? Triassic Mode, Battilizer, or that Battilizer Gun Mode. ... God he was over-powered.

Sentai tends to go with movie exclusive mecha rather than forms. I think the only team that have had a movie exclusive super mode has been Megaranger.

I forgot completely about those suits. But yea, you're right on the other thing to. Other than Brajira. I still, very much, want him to be the badguy in every movie. Sentai's DaiShocker :lol

Great, now we have Wizard Infinity Dragon to start this whole conversation over again. But I think I can say its definitely his Final Form

I hope it is. He has enough.

Won't he probably get a new "Final" form during his Movie War with Gaimu?

Fruit, Please! .. No, yea. Wizard can still the hell away from my Orange Armored Fruit Ninja of Awesome.

You can say that about most Riders though. For Wizard Flame Dragon would have been enough, all the other Dragons are unnecessary, as is all Dragon, Infinity and this new Infinity form.

I'm still confused why Haruto had all the elements and they didn't split it up into four Riders who could then combine their power to make Infinity, that would have worked better in my mind.

DRAGON FRUIT! Please!

Well...Yeah. Lots of forms do tend to border on the unnecessary.