Originally Posted by IndigoArms (Post 808877)

,like Hank Azaria voicing Apu, when nobody cared the entire time Simpsons was on.

Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 808881)

The thing is to me that also just sounds like the free market. Celebrity does something; people don’t like it, criticise them and don’t support it. Sometimes they lose their job due to unpopularity but that’s the way the world is. Always been this way lol

Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 808881)

The thing is to me that also just sounds like the free market. Celebrity does something; people don’t like it, criticise them and don’t support it. Sometimes they lose their job due to unpopularity but that’s the way the world is. Always been this way lol

Originally Posted by SHINOBI03 (Post 808890)

Some people go for the separation of the art from the artist. But for me, it is hard to do. You enjoy the art, you enjoy the characters and naturally you get attracted to the real faces behind them. But when the real face turns out to be a horrible person, it creates conflict in you.

Can you enjoy the fictional character completely ignoring the real face behind it? Can you call your favorite character your hero when you know the one who portrayed said hero was going against what your hero does? Or, are you willing to ignore all the wrong the real face has done just to enjoy your fantasy? Because fictional actions stay fictional, but the real actions happens in real life, they hurt real people and it's not easy to ignore that or brush it aside.

Example: I like Stanley Kubrick's films, mostly the Shining, but I can't see that film without remembering how abusive he was on set and the psychological damage he caused to Shelly Duval. I can't enjoy Bill Cosby's shows ignoring the crimes he did. I can't enjoy Activision or EA games knowing the many abuses they have done to their development teams. Some of these stuff cannot be ignored just because they deliver great art.

Originally Posted by TheJaz (Post 808880)

"Cancel culture" rarely sees anyone permantly lose work, outside of the people who have done the very worst things, like Weinstein

Most people who get cancelled continue to get work, many just have to shift their target audience to the people who actually liked whatever they did (look at Louis C.K. for an example of that method of recovery, now he just caters to the people who supported him)

One of the most famous early Internet "cancellings" I can remember is James Gunn, and while that must have been rough at the time it's hard to say it permanently hurt his career. Suicide Squad 2 is done production, and since Disney even rehired him now Guardians 3 and the Guardians Holiday special are in early production

If we're talking about celebrities who didn't commit literal crimes it seems like few who have been "cancelled" have lost all prospects of future work, I can think of more who are still working off the top of my head honestly

A recent example would be Gina Carano, who got picked up to be in some movie Ben Shapiro is making pretty much the instant Disney cut ties with her

On the internet celebrity side of things I'd say many notably "cancelled" people are doing the same or sometimes better than before they were "cancelled"

JonTron is one of the earliest Internet cancellings I remeber being around for and now my understanding is he has more subscribers than ever

Some more recent one's include ProJared who managed to make a nearly complete recover after he literally received nudes from minors and sent nudes to minors, many people say it wasn't his fault because he asked people their age, but it was only due to his own lack of responsibility and his choice to create a NSFW blog aimed at getting nudes from his fans that it even happened, it was all due to his own decisions... yet he recovered from that

Recently Dan Avidan and Vinny from vinesauce have also largely survived getting "cancelled" with minimal acknowledgment of the issue on their parts

People act like cancel culture is so scary, but most of the time people just want an explanation or apology, it gets blown out of proportion, and then the target recovers regardless of if they actually ever owner up to what they did

It's largeky a buzzword at this point the way people use it, and not a real threat to you or most people



Lot's of people thought Apu was an uncomfortable stereotype for years, saying no one at all used to care sounds like perception bias to me, just because you personally never saw anyone complain doesn't mean nobody was, I assure you lots of people didn't like hearing a white guy pretend to be a stereotypical Indian man for years before the issue exploded, notably a large chunk of the people affected by the Apu thing were kids at the time getting called "Apu" at school who couldn't properly voice their discontent on a large platform until they were adults

Originally Posted by Kurona (Post 808896)

Yeah this is where I’m at. I’m going to try and watch Revice, but I won’t be surprised if I’m ultimately not able to get into it hearing Vice’s voice. It especially seems hard now the press conference and trailer have dropped which show Vice really mugging the camera and like, getting pally almost through the fourth wall. Maybe it’ll work out but man