I think the concept of a secondary rider should be left in Heisei.

hiromi being out of place is the most accurate description of the character I've ever seen

I want to be excited for his character development but he is so fucking boring now. I almost wish we had a new demons user because all he does right now is lose fights or his opposition flees. it's never been more apparent that this guy wasn't supposed to be a rider. a lot of these episodes so far have felt pretty complete even if you exclude his influence

hell, they didn't even bother to add ANY visual effects to hiromi's last transformation in this episode - he just says henshin and they immediately cut to demons fighting. obviously they prioritized time and budget on live's debut, but still - kamen rider hardly ever does cuts like that with zero visual effects whatsoever

I'm just getting bored of seeing every hiromi/demons moment so far amount to pretty much nothing - especially when we're approaching the end of the first quarter and we're kind of starved for plot

I think it's really funny how we both have the same read on the character, but in completely opposite doses of optimism :lol

I kinda wanna believe he'll be something. Some of my favourite characterwork has resulted from plans diverting from the original -- Ankh's place in OOO's finale, Stacey's existence in Zenkaiger, etc. And even beyond that I've found changed plans to just be downright fun like Cronus in Ex-Aid, so I wanna believe there'll be something here!

Personally I'm just sitting here worried he'll get stuck in Build's "Rogue" situation of:
"What do we do with this extra guy now that he's firmly on the protag's side?"
"Idk just have him do goofy shit, it'll work out."

I was just as optimistic a month ago. it's just that it's officially been a month since his debut and I expected that we'd have something to work with by now aside from his catchphrase

actually I thought his resolve to stop daiji was interesting - but the fact hiromi had no lines or input on daiji's return tells me they're dropping that plot point


at the moment everything about him feels like filler to me which is kinda bad cause I don't feel like revice as it is now really has time for that

Hanta Kinoshita, screenwriter for Revice, revealed on Twitter that Hiromi is supposed to have a younger sister who also works in Phoenix and is in Daiji's squad: https://twitter.com/hanta_kinoshita/...50375754518529
This was in the original plot where Hiromi died, but it is possible that elements from him are still planned to be used.

I will admit that I do echo the sentiments of Hiromi... sorta just being there. It's interesting because his debut worked well, but aside from like a minor fight scene with Evil an episode later, all of his fights have definitely felt filler-ish in regards to what he's doing.

Like whenever he's just fighting Gifu Jr's, or a Deadman while Ikki is having the plot with the brother etc. Like even next week in the previews you see him sort of isolated fighting Gifu Jr's on his own while Daiji and Ikki get the brother Henshin moment and we've got stuff with Sakura coming up.

Admittedly I'm not swung either way on Hiromi yet, I find his "there-ness" intriguing more than anything else. Though to be honest I was getting rather bored of him and his singular catch phrase to the point where I was like fine with Vice's stunt at the beginning showing him in his mind. I was finally like "Oh, good he can emote more than stale burning justice".

But in the past there was Stronger reciting a lengthy monologue before each battle.
I think since Hiromi symbolizes the Shova Riders, he should be such a monotonous hero. On the other hand, yes, more interaction with others would make him more entertaining. I still think it's worth waiting for the first quarter of the show to end when the audience is bombarded with new toys. Maybe then we'll get a whole story dedicated to Hiromi. Or the Spider-Bat-Cobra trio (it will be a pity if something is not invented for them without Revice).

Completely understand on the idea that he's kinda just there. You can remove him from the episode entirely and there would only be slight alterations, he really was meant to die and for someone else to be Demons.

But, it's because of his straightforward demeanor and catch phrase that I really love him. Really emulates the showa era rider. Made stronger (albeit not presented well) when it's shown that he's crying inside, a mind of steel with a soft heat.

He emulates what I also liked in Saber. He's a Kamen Rider no questions asked, pure classic heroism that I feel is kinda a rare sight nowadays. Topped it off with an amazing suit and belt.

George seems to represent what can happen for the kind of shit-stirrers who stirs up drama, but as usual, amplified by the existence of superpowers in his universe (as usual, supervillains for example can cause damage primarily due to their power, even if they're anti-villains and can be morally 'better' than weaker straight villain). For what you said about "good and evil being two sides of the same coin", I got a feeling that George probably would be someone similar into the likes of DJ Sagara or Blood Stalk, who manipulates both sides that neither will have an advantage (of course this is decided later if George would groom supervillains too for the Riders to face), and in this case, it's to prolong his own KR story in real life, but with little regard to what suffered as a consequence due to the superpowers.

Well, Vice is at least shown to be a cannibal and constantly makes claims to intend to eat humans. Ikki's flaw of not having faith in others I covered too though in the first paragraph of my summary, but you brought up that in my Vice summary instead.

From what I've talked with certain someone, their explanation is about how the outro of Demons' debut episode has his stamps being added to the end card alongside Revice's, unlike the outro of Evil's debut episode. Though of course it's more of something in the past, and now it's clearly seen.

No offense but I think you're missing some of the nuance of that scene (you talk about Hiromi smiling openly?). Hiromi previously is eager to take down Daiji as per Fenix' orders, and even encourages the hesitating Ikki to do the same (or him giving final blow). That can give an impression that Hiromi may be the pragmatic hero kind and probably can be self-righteous, the "shoot first ask later" type. But the scene of Hiromi smiling due to Daiji coming back to his senses as Live shows that Hiromi still hopes for the best outcome.

Oh, so you're also someone who longs for pure classic heroism too. I thought otherwise regarding how Tendou and Tsukasa are your favorites among the main protagonists (and also appreciating Onodera more than Godai), as pure classic heroism is seen in most of the main Riders? Unless you have your own definition of what it means for pure classic heroism (and if people'd want for characters to become like Tendou and Tsukasa.. or Takumi, it'd just make pure classic heroism even more of a rare sight).