So then why would killing the Creation King halt the creation of new Kaijin? They could just keep reproducing.

They also say that all Kaijin have a stone in them. But those stones can only be grown from extract.

I mena, it matters because it was a part of the original Kamen Rider Black. A minor part, but Battle Hopper stood above most Rider machines because he was alive.

This is a weak excuse. It's called Kamen Rider Black. How could people not expect it to be like Kamen Rider Black? What's the purpose of remaking Black specifically if you completely change it?

Also people have historically disliked things like The First/Next and Amazons. You'd think Toei would learn from their previous works, not repeat the same mistakes on a larger scale.

They really had no idea what to do with the "Kamen Rider" part of this Kamen Rider show. It felt entirely mishandled and tacked on.

I have no stake in this discussion since I have yet to see the whole show myself, but I find it interesting reading from both this thread, as well other opinions, that weakest aspect of the show that most people seem to share is ironically, the part of it that's supposed to be a remake of Black, as those aspect don't seem to entirely gel with the other themes and messages it says.

So I guess to pose a question, would you have liked this more if it was more its own thing and completely separate from Black?

1000% this would have been better had it not tacked on the Kamen Rider Black name. Either as a new rider entirely, like Shin, or as its own IP entirely.

It wasn't horrible by any means and I don't regret the watch, but yeah it was a big disservice to tie Kamen Rider Black onto it by name. Had me comparing to Black the whole time, and yeah it didn't compare. But as on original rider or IP, it'd have gone over better with me. Yeah part of the blame is on me for comparing but eh.

I mean they could, but I assume that they don't want to bank on that working out in their favor. Relying on enough humans being willing doesn't work, and the other route - let's not go there.

I'd say no. This being its own thing would've been cool too, but I really like the elements they took from Black, be it characters or references.

All-new Rider means a fresh start, this being a re-imagining means I can geek out about seeing parts of Black's OP lyrics printed on Kotaro's biker helmet :lol

Just like the Amazon Jungler. But it didn't leak into the previous remake, so I wasn't expecting anything like that in this one at first.


It's called Kamen Rider Black Sun. Not even Kamen Rider Black 2022 or Kamen Rider Kuro. And no, I didn't expect it to be like a show from the late 80s, because we have examples of Hideaki Anno, who, with all his efforts, still cannot make his Shin films look like the originals.
Again, all of this outrage would make sense if it was a direct sequel that takes into account all the events of the original show. But we are dealing unequivocally with a parallel reality and I don?t see much point in being outraged by it. The original Black is doing well and will appear in big crossovers more than once. True, probably only in a suit.


Alas, we live in the age of streaming. Opinions are nothing, the main thing is views. And, judging by this site, this show managed to take the audience away from the current rider, which means they have achieved views. But if a second season is suddenly announced (which is unlikely, given how the story ended), you can not watch it, because now you already know for sure that you won?t like it.

Wow.

Well you know, I suppose you win most depressing post to like, wake up to with this paragraph. Like I was just peaking in here from time to time since I probably won't watch this show anytime soon (I don't mind spoilers, lol), and I just see this?

Probably the most cynical thing I've seen, and further really adds to my theory on the state of most Toku Fans if I'm being honest.

I'm just for healthy criticality. We live in an age of overabundance of content and it makes no sense to waste your time on the one that you do not like. For me, the Black Sun turned out to be exactly what I expected from him, and again, this show has never been translated into anything else. For the trailers did not in any way set up an optimistic heroic story. In any case, as for me, it's good that it came out right now, because it means that in 15 years we will get a much lighter Black project.

I was in the mood for some classic Ishinomori-vibes with gruesome imagery packaged as a Kamen Rider Black re-imagining without even knowing it, watched Black Sun, loved it.

Other people wanted different things from it so they didn't like it as much. Makes perfect sense to me.

For me, the biggest thorns on my sides that are still forced to be kept on this reimagining is the names of the "priests of gorgom"

Bishum, Darom, Baraom, and then Bilgenia. WTF? Why are they named such and keep referring to Kotaro and Nobuhiko as Black Sun and Shadow Moon are not explained, even in passing. Maybe a mention that they are the first children of the Creation King and such.

Also the experiment started in the forties, with the Creation King being a POW and such. That means between the forties and the seventies, they keep making kaijins in secret, and thus maybe those are the starts of kaijin being released into population and mixing with them, creating a kaijin varied population. Maybe that was when the priests get their powers get their gorgom names.

Also the Creation King's twist is clever: He is "king" that is needed to "force create" new kaijins.

And also does anyone realize that belted Kaijins transform full bodied, like Black Sun, Shadow Moon, and Aoi, and since Aoi doesn't have her own fully traumatic experience or rage, she doesn't have "rider form" yet. Maybe the lost of her "revolutionary army" will finally trigger that transformation

Now on to Kotaro himself: He really is not developed good enough on this show, feels like a macguffin himself and not an actual character. He is Black Sun, has a transformation belt, and was involved in the kaijins efforts to revolt.

But his agency is not there. His actions are all to serve the narrative of the plot, not the plot serving his actions. Even when he becomes Kamen Rider Black Sun, he's still hammered down by the plots and not given true victories.

God, sometimes I hate japanese shows and their "edgy" need to constantly drown their characters in sorrow and frustations.

I'm sure Fourze and Den-O were shot for this (although the second, to be honest, also sometimes fell into depression).