Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 400529)

How not heard good things about Zyu? Have you not been paying attention to my praises of it? I just rewatched the show two weeks ago and have praises for it in the What are you watching topic.

Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 400853)

RRR doesn't agree. Considering Dosmrider, Jedimon, Shukuenshinobi and Aresol all hate the show and I trust them with thier perception of how good a show is, I am in the "not heard good things" camp.

Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 400853)

RRR doesn't agree. Considering Dosmrider, Jedimon, Shukuenshinobi and Aresol all hate the show and I trust them with thier perception of how good a show is, I am in the "not heard good things" camp.

Originally Posted by WhiteRanger (Post 400875)

Yea they don't like a lot of things in 90s though and I mean hate a lot of things. Going by 4 people who hate ant not good reason to not buy it or watch unless you check it yourself. You can't really hate show unless you saw it yourself. Going by the RRR group not good enough reason cause a lot more love for zyuranger then there is hate.

Originally Posted by Powerman293 (Post 400853)

RRR doesn't agree. Considering Dosmrider, Jedimon, Shukuenshinobi and Aresol all hate the show and I trust them with thier perception of how good a show is, I am in the "not heard good things" camp.

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 400910)

I have no idea who they are.



Oh...

Let me guess, they are the people that highly praise the stuff like Bioman and Maskman and everything after Liveman is bad?

Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 400913)

Yes because the old "he tell me" argument holds so much water. :lol

I could care less about who exactly doesn't like it, that's not indicative of a shows quality. In this case it's mostly people holding a classic series to modern standards. Looking at something through that lens they're bound not to like it, and that's fine that's their opinion. But it's a much better show than it's given credit for.

Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger (Post 400947)

I dunno people on ANN where using this exact argument to defend Mazinger Z's blatant sexism and general awfulness.

Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 400955)

Inherent sexism in one show doesn't relate to the quality of another from an entirely different genre. I'd never defend such a thing. The show is by no means perfect nor am I implying that, but it was one of the most revolutionary sentai ever, it revitalized the brand in the 90's. This blanket assumption that it's awful because a group of internet personalities say so is just silly.

I just think all this negativity over the show is unnecessary. Great way to convince Shout Factory what they're doing it pointless people.

Originally Posted by Yellow Ranger (Post 400957)

I wasn't saying you where just pointing out seeing that argument used to justify a bad show made me a bit wary of it.

Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 400959)

Oh I totally understand that apprehension. I've seen that argument used before on some truly terrible stuff too.

Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn (Post 400983)

I love Shukuenshinobi's reviews as the next guy, but I don't always agree with him. He also didn't care for Jetman neither. I always have my own opinion. I mean like Twister and Temple of Doom despite that the Nostalgia Critic didn't like them. I like First Contact when Mr. Plinkett didn't seem to care for it that.

Originally Posted by Kickback (Post 400960)

Zyuranger has a special place in the hearts of all Sentai fans because it really did begin the whole idea of a 6th member of the team showing up later. What started in Zyuranger continued in:

Dairanger
OhRanger
Megaranger
Timeranger
Gaoranger
Hurricanger

Once Dekaranger aired, it increased the possibility of extra team members joining.

Dekaranger (like 9 or 10)
Magiranger (8)
Go-Onger (7)
Shinkenger (6 and an extra Red)
Kyoryuger (15 total different actors taking roles of Rangers)

Crazy that trend started with Zyuranger.

Originally Posted by WhiteRanger (Post 400987)

i agree with you i think RR gang just dont like 90s sentai ofr propbably any sentai pre-hesei

Originally Posted by MrHerofan (Post 401120)

I know they don't like anything before Gaoranger.

Originally Posted by MrHerofan (Post 401120)

I know they don't like anything before Gaoranger.

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 401298)

That was my other guess. I don't know why though. The most current Sentai series rely on nothing but toy gimmicks to tell their story, are full of CGI'd mechs that must have a battle every episode even when there is no reason for there to be one, and they are so damn childish that it feels like they don't want anyone over the age of 4 enjoying them. Yes, I know Sentai is geared towards children, but everything through DekaRanger had far more maturity to it that made it easy for anyone to get into. Now, aside from a few specifics, every series is over the top silly with little substance to go with the style.

Originally Posted by Kickback (Post 400960)

Crazy that trend started with Zyuranger.

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 401302)

I'm unsure about that. While I haven't been able to muster up enough interest to continue with Go-Busters, based on how no one can ever speak of that series without going on how "It's so much more mature than other Sentai," I don't think it's fair to call every recent series as over the top silliness. Yes, Kyoryu and TQG fit in your descriptor, I think we need more than 2 consecutive series before citing things as a dark age (So to speak) for Sentai.

Originally Posted by Guyver Spawn (Post 401323)

It started with Zyuranger, but it didn't kick off until after Timeranger. Timeranger was a very popular show back in 2000 and Time Fire's popularity most likely help made 6th rangers more common. Every Super Sentai show after 2000 had a 6th ranger expect for Gekiranger and Go-Busters.

Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 401474)

MagiRanger, Boukenger, Go-Onger, and Goseiger also fit this bill. I'm not saying they cannot have silly moments, but there is being silly and then there is just over the top comedy.



Actually, I'd say GaoRanger is where the shows started to just have the sixth ranger become the average every day ranger. Even with Time Fire, he was still not in every episode every time, and when he did, he was still badass the majority of the time. With GaoSilver and beyond, the sixth rangers became just another ranger in the crowd who would suddenly get his ass beat just as much as the regular team. It is kind of pathetic since the sixth ranger was meant to be the all powerful one.

In fact, I'm doing a panel at NDK this year on Sixth Rangers and will be touching base on this. Not to mention I have a great montage being put together of the redundancy of the sixth ranger premier episodes. Rangers getting ass kicked, sixth appears, kicks ass, rangers drool over their amazement of him. Only a few shows tend to have a different way of pulling it off, which includes DragonRanger, ShinkenGold, and sadly enough, ToQ #6.

Originally Posted by Sunred (Post 401681)

Also, I hope your panel turns out great. Looking forward to hear how it went ^^

Originally Posted by Scythe (Post 402421)

I can understand not being your cup of tea, but I don't quite "get" direct hatred on Zyuranger. If it weren't for Zyu, we wouldn't have MMPR, if it weren't for MMPR, I fail to see now America and several (not all) other countries would've been introduced to Toku/Sentai. Not to mention, we wouldn't be here right now. Probably on a site dedicated to Tokusatsu in general, but not one as diverse as putting together fans of PR, Beetleborgs, VR Troopers, Kamen Rider and such. I always see it as forefather status, Zyu. It has it's wrinkles, but it's to be respected as it brought many so much enjoyment in many ways.

Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 402504)

"Forefather status" is a goofy concept to me. I don't think things should be revered simply because their old or they originate a concept or whatever. But this show does deserve some recognition for being a good show. The actual outright hate I've seen for Zyuranger is undeserved.

Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 402510)

Zyuranger is a very lighthearted and kid-friendly show. It's not surprising that a lot of older fans who want everything to be serious and grimdark dislike it. There's a subset of the tokusatsu fandom who seem to forget that these shows are actually made for children.

Originally Posted by MrHerofan (Post 402496)

To me just cause it's the first doesn't mean it good,,or that I have to not hate it.