oh my god the irony

Eh? what irony?

Maybe create an entirely new tokusatsu or something first for streaming sites if you want to boost toku's appeal to the West. Super Sentai is already known as Power Rangers and that's seen as kid stuff by a lot of the West.

Maybe just accept that Kamen Rider won't be as popular? Yes it has similar elements, but it will always be seen as PR. Which is okay! Something doesn't need to be super popular to enjoy, stop obsessing over it so much.

You need help dude. People moved on, this is not back on topic.

Also please stop PMing me over this. I'm not interested. I get what you're saying, I just think it's all ridiculous and that yes, you are wildly insecure.

Grow up and move on.

The irony is that he said "back on topic", but the topic is about tokusatsu becoming mainstream and not about Squid Game.


You too? :lol

As far as I know he's PMing everyone who disagrees with him to convince us to change our minds.

The obvious reason why tokusatsu isn't as popular in the West compared to C-Dramas and K-Dramas is because of the spandex lol. /s

You jest, but I feel like this is unironically the case. Think how superhero films are desaturated, realistic and/or military garb-esque.

There are people who simply can't enjoy something because it looks 'too colorful' or 'unrealistic' or 'kiddy'.

Add me to this list.

And like RyusoulRed, please do not send me another one. I responded to the one you sent because you asked me to out of courtesy, even though I asked you not to send me one in the first place. I'll admit that the time between your post and my reply was big enough for you to send me one while I finished my response, and that you just didn't see it in time. But as a rebuttal, you should've actually waited for me to respond if I wanted to talk to you via PM before PMing me.

No-one here is saying this.

Oh yeah no I absolutely feel like this is the case given the MCU and some of the "costumes" it gives it's characters. They lean more towards tacticool and I really hate that styling tbh.

It's probably why I enjoy Rider and Sentai so much, they legitimately look like Superheroes and fill that void that live action has sorta felt embarrassed about for a good while.

While there are cases of this, all the MCU Spider-Men, Cap in Avengers 1, most of the Iron Man suits, Scarlet Witch from WandaVision, and either Captain Marvel suit really does not fall into that. Doctor Strange, while having darker colors, really doesn't fit that either. Hell Ant-Man, and YellowJacket in the MCU are basically Kamen Riders.

Well I did say "some" and not "all" in my post.

I will say there are some damn good costumes, but there are others that make me scratch my head. Do not enjoy what they did to Task Master honestly from what I've seen of his suit.

Fair enough. But I think that there are more good instances of brightly colored heroes than bad now.

My only issue with Taskmaster as a design (character is another issue entirely) are the goggles over the skull, which from my understanding is sadly necessary to market in some countries.

Apart from the first Spider-man suit, the rest of his suits deviate far. Iron Spider is filled with lines and greebles and looks nothing like the classic Iron Spider, Stealth is literally SHIELD military garb refitted onto spidey, and the newer suits are just... No.

Iron Man is Iron Man, but he was HEAVILY desaturated in IW and Endgame, Scarlet Witch deviates from source material too.

I said nothing about being true to source material, I said they had color. Of which Iron Spider, and his FFH suit do.

And yes Stealth is all black...because it's a stealth suit. That is literally it's point.

...Did you expect a stealth suit to be colorful?

And yeah he said nothing about comic accuracy. You were talking about suits not being colorful. He gave you examples that proved you wrong. You shifted the goalposts.

That was my bad! But usually colorful = suit accuracy, to my case. But the idea still stands for Iron Spider, it's all dark colors and the way the suit was shot or rendered completely washed out all colors it had, and the FFH suit only has the red. Like, I know, the original original spidey was red/black, but there's a lot more black than there is red, especially with them putting black on the arms.

I'd say it is more some MCU films having a general grey muddy tint to them. Iron Spider toys, while deep, still feel very saturated. So I suppose I'm arguing against my own point, but I think it's more on color grading than costume design, making EVERYTHING a bit wet cement-like.

And yes, there is more black, but the red being SO vibrant balances it out.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Marvel or DC and I don't really see it as massively comparable to tokusatsu(I LOVED Heroes though!), but I will say I caught Spiderman 3 on TV once and I actually didn't find it that bad, I didn't mind the old Tobey Macguire Spiderman films! :lol

Sorry for my late absence, been busy with a lot of stuff. But I hate to say this but it looks like Squid Game's mainstream popularity in the west is still continuing. I mean even Netflix Asia top exec explained to Hollywood Reporter why that series got mainsstream global appeal. I mean the show's popularity is no doubt in question after these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D3WTlMCJ_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo9Ri1qPInM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F830Yq5V3HA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFxcAZTvazk

If only Toei or Tsuburaya can team up with Netflix or Disney+ to create a original toku show for any of the 2. But I do have some good news but not involving tokusatsu. Have a look at this:

Netflix Partners With TBS to Release 3 New Shows Worldwide

Japanese Star Original “Tokyo MER” Coming Soon To Disney+

Toei Animation, Parasite Film's Korean Distributor CJ Entertainment Announce Partnership


So it looks like Japan is taking Squid Game's mainstream success outside of Asia very seriously. I'm really happy to see Kamen Rider Zero One will be coming to Shout Factory's website. But Shout Factory TV audience reach is nothing compared to Netflix (nor streaming sites that specialize in East Asian TV series). If you put Kamen Rider on Netflix, I guarantee that it can get a wider audiences. It can get a wider audiences if it carried the "Netflix originals" label on there.

As I said, if you want tokusatsu to get the same level and love like Squid Game and K-dramas are getting in the west, you have to put them on Netflix.

When I said that, I mean many years ago. I mean back in early 2000's, and way before Squid Game. I heard toku fans said tokusatsu would never get super mainstream in the US because of "American audiences can't read subtitles", or "toku would be too weird to be accepted". But now after seeing K-dramas, and foreign language films/TV shows/TV dramas on Netflix proving people wrong that American audiences can handle subtitles.

But as I stated, if you want tokusatsu to get a wider audiences beyond the usual niche audiences, you have to put them on mainstream streaming services like Netflix in order for that to happen.

You're just repeating the same thing again and again at this point.

And why do you "hate to say" Squid Game's popularity is continuing?

Nobody cared.

Please stop. You are the only one bothered by this. You are the only person who is demanding for toku to be more popular so you can stop feeling bad about watching it.

Because it's just super, super unfair that a show made for a wide audience of adults is doing better than a niche Japanese show made for 7 year olds. So unfair.

Maybe you'd have better luck doing this over at Rangerboard, or the Tokusatsu subreddits, or maybe even going to K-Drama/C-Drama forums/subreddits/threads and doing it yourself, instead of asking US to do it.

Because to be frank, I feel like you're only insisting that this is a "we" problem so that you can have others go to K-Drama/C-Drama focused groups and suggest tokusatsu shows, and let them get embarrassed when people say 'no' or get made fun of for suggesting something that's not within their realm of interest.

So please, stop telling us to do something and do it yourself.

Absolutely the latter.

Rangerboard would be significantly more rude.

Rangerboard would eat this guy alive.

Honestly, it's a little insulting to insinuate that a Korean drama's success should lead to the success of a Japanese kids show. They are different kinds of shows, from two very different countries. Asian media isn't one big monolith.

The problem here is that when you said that
you structured it in a way that made us think you were saying this is the current reality. You've just undermined your ability to have us take this seriously.

Because as long as a foreign TV dramas whether it's Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, or anything from Europe was able to get mainstream popularity in the US. Then I would have to revive this topic again and again to get toku fans to have a debate about how can we get tokusatsu to get more mainstream in the US in the face of foreign language TV dramas getting a massive fanbase in the US.

As I said previously again and again, we have K-dramas, and C-dramas that is using toku-like special effect. So yes, there should been a crossover between people who watch tokusatsu and people who watch these fantasy/sci-fi special effect heavy TV dramas. I mean as I stated, we've seen anime/manga fans crossing over to K-drama and K-pop, it should've been easy for fans of K-dramas to crossover to tokusatsu if these same K-drama fans are watching special effect heavy dramas.

I don't understand what you mean by that. I mean a long time ago before K-drama and Netflix existed, a lot of toku fans I talked to said that there is no way tokusatsu would be taken seriously (the same thing was said about K-drama and K-pop pre-2010, but now fast forward to today, we were proven wrong). Now, people can watch subtitled stuff on Netflix, Prime Video, etc... And yet tokusatsu can't get the same love or mainstream success like Squid Game, or any foreign-language TV dramas on Netflix are getting.

My recommendation to everyone before they waste more energy is that you all just leave this person to run this fantasy thread they took over for themsleves, without further acknowledgement.

phoenix from kamen rider wizard will be revived long before you spark anything even remotely resembling a debate in this thread

the only debate you've ever started(I'm being generous here by calling it a debate) here is how silly you look by talking about squid game and k-dramas every post

no one fucking cares that other foreign shows have massive fanbases in the US except you. toku doesn't have to be big in the US just because everything else is. it has affected no one's enjoyment aside from your fragile self-esteem

again, stop speaking for entire communities whom you know jack shit about. go make a fanfiction about an alternate universe where toku is the new squid game

with that being said I feel really bad that anyone could be this embarrassed about enjoying toku - to the point you're jealous that squid game has a massive following

ah a billion pages later and you still have no idea how absolutely fucking absurd and stupid it is to make a statement like this. lord christ almighty please help this one

as I and many others have said previously again and again, you genuinely have zero idea what you're talking about and you shouldn't speak for entire fanbases like you know what anyone but yourself wants

I'm still in absolute awe at how much this reeks of a kid trying to get his divorced parents back together

Wow that's immature.

I have absolutely no right to say this considering how I just called out mdo7 on reviving the forum again and again but I'm kind of enjoying this? I shouldn't, but I am. It's like a guilty pleasure at this point.

I should really get off the internet and go touch some grass.

What I think we should do is get more notice on other shows like Armor Hero :lol

If I'm being completely honest, I think I've developed a hatred for K-Dramas and C-Dramas solely because of this thread and out of spite rather than actually just not being into it, and I will never ever give either the chance or time of day now.

to be frank I've had zero interest in k-drama for the entirety of my life and I thought squid game was so good I watched it twice(once with my friends and again with my girlfriend)

but I'm flabbergasted at the mental gymnastics that this guy has tried to go through to convince anyone that he has any justification for his fantasy other than "I'm embarrassed to talk about kamen rider with my friends because it isn't mainstream"

boredom's got us down bad

So basically, anyone who likes any toku should like all other things with special effects in them. That's... absurd. Because I'm not sure if you're aware of this, there's more to a show's quality than its effects. By that logic, because I like Kamen Rider, I should love the DC movies. But I don't like the DC movies. It also means that since I like one season of Kamen Rider, I should like every other season of Kamen Rider because they're all effects-heavy. Yet I love Gaim, but absolutely despise Saber. Would you like to address that?

This whole argument of yours comes off a bit racist as well. Just assuming that because on Asian genre is doing really well, every other one would do well too.

By the way, Squid Game is objectively better in every single way, effects and otherwise, than any toku ever made. Just accept that. You really need to get over yourself. We get it, you're ashamed that you like toku. Just grow up and... stop.

That feeling of something being really popular and well-liked a majority that it gives the opposite effect on you... K-Dramas (and/or Kpop as well) been large around here for a really long time that I've basically distanced myself real far from it.

nah man you gotta start mingling with the kdrama fans they'll point you in the right direction :lolol

Why aren't you getting this up and arms about the success of shows like Doctor Who, or the Arrowverse? I'd argue those are much closer to toku than this vague monolith of "k-dramas" that you seem to only be able to name one of.

Very cheesy special effects, costume designs, and general atmosphere, (with of course standouts to this), with a moderately large to huge following. I imagine they are the closest to toku getting mainstream wester success.

And it all comes back to the question of who cares? You seem to clearly be alone here in caring this much. As I've said, I'd love it to gain some form of following just to make it and merch a little more accessible, but I'm not going to be unrealistic and ask it to be the next Squid Game or whatever huge Netflix original you are obsessed with it becoming.

Toku, by it's very nature, is silly. You can dress it up in tons of different ways, fill it with gore, give it a well written story...but at the end of the day it still comes back to people in rubber or spandex suits hitting each other. And that is simply too silly for a wide stream western audience. And that's okay.