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Also regarding Urataros like Momotaros he has URA written on him in various parts as part of the shell detailing on his body most notably his chest with it being mirrored on the right side https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...674/image0.jpg
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As for what the exact colors are for the Taros according to the concept art, so far the two Taros are: Momo lighter parts: vermilion red undersuit: dark red teeth, buckle, and spikes: gunmetal eyes: smoky black Ura lighter parts: turquoise blue undersuit: indigo blue metallic-colored parts(buckle, toes, etc.): gunmetal eyes: clear orange |
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Also throwing this into the discussion since it was brought up and to compliment our lying turtle boy |
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Also regarding the monster designs, they were all done by Yasushi Nirasawa who also designed the Undead from Blade and last years Worms.
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Considering Ryotaro’s poor naming sense and utter lack of creativity is something that the cast shit on him for.... I doubt he actually created their designs
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But, nope! They 100% suck! Consensus in the fandom! WE FOUND IT ON A DEN-O THREAD! |
where is episode 6?
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The most I can say for the Airi Simps is that one of them had his basic character recycled to create one of the best* characters in the next season.
* subject to opinion. |
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If anything is going to bring us consensus, it will be that these two are a nightmare taking up space and time. :( Yes.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...oncept_art.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...oncept_art.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...oncept_art.jpg so looking through the way your wish artbook it seems that it isn't just a Taros thing and almost all of the imagin have their names or animal basis written on their bodies somewhere, Bat for the Bat Imagin, Kani (Crab) for the Crust Imagin, and ....frog for the Chameleon Imagin. Implying that it was originally going to be a frog monster and changed midway through designing or stopped looking like a frog. Also The taros seem to be extreme parodies of character archetypes that Japanese youths might consider role models, the Rebel for Momotaros, and the Ladies Man for Urataros |
I just love how Nirasawa's notes on the Chameleon Imagin is "Based off of The Frog Prince, but for some reason a chameleon?". :lolol
Also here are the colors for the first three imagins: Bat Imagin eyes: fluorescent orange teeth: gunmetal body: metallic violet undersuit: semi-gloss black claws: glossy black Chameleon Imagin eyes: clear violet teeth: gunmetal body: metallic light green biceps and right hand: olive drab trims: metallic violet Crust Imagin eyes: smoky grey body: olive drab feet and hands: dark red Quote:
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 6 - "A SWINDLER'S DIGNITY”
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den6a.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den6b.png Well, this story ended better than it began, I'll give it that. I still didn't really care for it, though. Even once Ryotaro gets involved, a lot of the details feel fuzzy, and the attempt at a moral feels incredibly forced. There's a bunch of stuff, but not much ever feels like it's escalating consistently, and there end up being a weird amount of unnecessary elements. It's a story that seems to value ambiguity over clarity, and I don't love that trade this early in a series. It's sloppy, and only a few beats really landed with me. I think my favorite thing from this whole story is how much it rests on the shoulders of Hana, and how she could basically solve this whole case by herself. There's that scene where she's yelling at Daiki, and he's like I Only Know How To Get Yelled At and she's like I Only Know How To Yell At People and they're both like Oh Wait This Isn't Good. It's a scene that a worse version of this show would have Ryotaro step into, with him connecting with Daiki while Hana learns from his example. Instead, Ryotaro just smiles as he sees the other two figure out how they're communicating badly: Hana, with her aggressive need to chastise children who are misbehaving (see also Momotaros and Urataros); and Daiki, with his lies to keep from facing the truth. It's a very sweet scene, and I loved how it was just two people apologizing for being real bad at responding to people. It just... it feels like the show is trying to make the story about Daiki being a liar, and I don't know if that really lands? It's not like he believed the monster was real until a few minutes before Hana confronted him (so it's not like he's been hiding this from everyone all along), and him being a liar isn't really connected to his failure in the soccer game. It's like they wanted to do something with Urataros being a liar, but this kid is so tertiary to everything happening in the story that they take one lie (partially told because of Hana being an angry stranger) and try to turn this into A Story About Lying. Which, man, maybe if you squint real hard (the Airimirers help support this read), but not in any way that feels like they're telling that story well. The Urataros story is of a cloth with the unevenness of the Daiki story, where his core trait of lying renders any arc with him one that's kept at a distance. If I don't believe anything Urataros says (I don't! I was laughing very hard at Momo and Naomi in the scene where Ura starts crying!), then what's in this episode isn't some Hooker With A Heart Of Gold thing, like Ryotaro assumes, but some duplicitous hedonist existing only to manipulate. Is there more to him? Maybe! I don't know! As it is, I think he's funny enough, but I don't really feel much enthusiasm for seeing him in solo-ish action. I didn't really care about his story by the end, which doesn't feel like a successful couple of episodes for this show? https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den6c.png THE BAGGAGE CAR -Hana, though! I really dug how central she was in this, and it's the one purely positive thing to come from these episodes. She just has zero time for problematic children, a trait that's simultaneously invigorating (she's had it with these mother******* Imagin on this mother******* train!), and a huge handicap for a show that's largely about teaching lessons to children. Seeing her be just terrible with Daiki was, no joke, amazing to watch. It's rare to see a hero on a Kamen Rider show be shit with kids, so that moment where she could see herself making this kid more withdrawn, and how mad she got at herself... I loved it. It's the smartest scene in this whole story, by miles. -The Airimirers are only in one short scene, a decision that is both welcome, because they suck, and retroactively infuriating, because they are irrelevant to the story while factoring heavily into the first part. The previous episode wastes so much time on guys that, at best, minorly support a theme about lying being bad but also sometimes okay if you can use it to help people which they don't do. Just... just some not great plotting in these two episodes, you guys. -Rod Form! I don't love the red Sword Form chest on the back! The rest of it is neat, though, and I love the finisher. Who can say a bad thing about impaling a monster and then Rider Kicking the impaling tool through it? -I don't completely love the ambiguity the show tacks onto Urataros' intentions (just, let me think this dude has some heroic potential!), but I appreciate that Ryotaro wants to see something in him that might not be there. It's that whole thing about Ryotaro not wanting to introduce pain into the world, so he'd rather give Urataros a chance than punish him needlessly. And Ryotaro seeing Ura's lies as a gambit to guilt Daiki... yeah, that's exactly what I thought Ura was doing, so I see why Ryotaro would make that assumption as well. It was a lazy, obvious lie, and pretty much beneath Urataros. (Hana has been very clear that she sees through him!) I think there's room in there for Urataros to feel slightly offended that Ryotaro twigged to the altruistic failure, and so Ura needs to double-down on appearing selfish, but I think the ending would've been better if Urataros would've just shrugged off Ryotaro's theory instead of flatly denying it. Think they went a little too far in trying to walk back Urataros' teamwork. Some clever bits in there, though! |
So now that you have seen Rod Form:
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Rod Form is based off the sea turtle imagery common in the Urashima Taro story as explained above. The DenGasher in Rod Form is by default a fishing spear type polearm that can also at times double as a fishing rod. And while nothing to do with the lore, visually it shares elements of Kamen Rider G3 and to an extent Kamen Rider Gatack being blue with orange eyes for starters. Quote:
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Seriously though.
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Well it’s the second part, so it’s me ramblings about the show post.
I’ve sworn off telling you who the face cast are to devote myself to the regular feature (to get around this in one case, the major guest actor for episodes 15-6 just so happens to be appearing in an episode I’ll be watching in my thread next week). But I will say that the actor playing Daiki is someone you’ll be seeing a lot more of come the Summer of Inoue. For some information that the show depoesnt go into, the regular DenLiner is the DenLiner Gouka, while Ura’s version is the DenLiner Isurugi. My attempts to find the meanings of those names has turned out nothing. In all honesty, I don’t remember this one all that much. But I do remember the next one for the ending. But I’ll let you get there before explaining it’s personal infamy. |
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It's also a story where the Crab Imagin is the one who's most responsible for improving Daiki's life, which is something I was thinking about this morning that is utterly bizarre. The big thing for Daiki's character is that he blew some kick in a soccer game, and now he doesn't deal with that failure well. He won't support his teammates, and he's jealous that they get to play when he's benched. But when the Crab Imagin goes back in time, he appears right before Daiki's kick, so Daiki never fails. There's no missed kick, nothing for Daiki to learn from or overcome. He doesn't get benched, even. It's 100% thanks to a monster showing up and almost murdering everyone in the past that Daiki is happy and healed in the present. That is some insane plotting. |
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The thing I remember finding memorable about this episode... is sadly the aesthetics of the fight. I recall finding it kinda funny that Rod Form was given the normal characteristics of a Rider compared to Sword Form's deviations -- he's got the bug eyes, and then his finisher is an actual rider kick. |
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As for the episode itself... well, it certainly happened. I remember all of these early arcs of Den-O that bring in the new Imagin and all the various victims of the fortnight... except this one. Daiki and his story are both really bland. The main things I remember have nothing to do with him and are more about Urataros lying about his backstory (still a good gag even on my third time through) and the horny head nurse (also a gag that exists). It's not a high point and I like the follow-up arc (and its main guest star) a lot more. |
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Happy to see you've immediately taking to liking Den-O! You already know how successful it was since you've seen how much of its general formula, tone, and messages remain so consistently present all the way from W to Wizard.
I'm with you on Urataros not making a great first impression, and I'm tempted to say the reason I came around to liking him is... mostly just from long enough exposure? It's weird because I know I was like 'hmm...' when I first watched these episodes, but now when I look back on them, I can only think "oh that classic swindling Ura, this is how it all starts'. Quote:
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I recall being disappointed the first time I saw Rod Form's back for much the same reasons as Die, but it's one of those things where eventually I decided I wouldn't have it any other way. I mean, red and blue is like THE heroic color combination, right? At any rate, Rod Form is a design I'm quite fond of, and after seeing that comparison to Gatack and G3, I kinda see why all of a sudden!
Oh yeah, and there's an episode to talk about. I called this arc good when I did my rewatch, and I stand by that, because it's still Den-O, but I also barely had anything to say about them, and would definitely consider it one of the lower points for the show. Rod Form having a Rider Kick was probably the most memorable thing in it to me, too. The ending battle in general is definitely the highlight. From what I can remember, I think it took a bit before I warmed up to Urataros after this too? Man, there sure is a lot of consensus in this thread lately! :p |
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KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 7 - “JEALOUSY BOMBER”
https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den70.png Tough one to talk about narratively, since I definitely don’t feel like I’ve got all the info yet. (Yuumi, especially.) There’s some interesting things happening, but I don’t really feel like I’ve got a handle on the story they’re telling yet. THE BAGGAGE CAR Visually, though… this episode was an absolute stunner. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7a.png It starts with this Ryotaro yawn, big as the screen. He’s not just tired, he’s TIRED. This is an ALL-CAPS episode, where everything is heightened, everything is shouted out as loud as possible… except for what really matters. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7b.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7c.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7d.png These beautifully framed shots of Airi and her telescope, a feeling so massive it stays silent. Hope? Joy? Longing? It’s an episode where the biggest emotions are kept inside, hidden from the world. She wants her brother to find his way, to discover what he’s meant for. But what does she want for herself? What is her passion? This is the first episode to really press on what Airi is all about, and it’s as beautiful in its mystery as you’d expect. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7e.png Great staging for this shot, with Momo and Ura on opposite corners of the frame. It’s this gulf of animosity, where the two of them are like boxers before a match starts. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7f.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7g.png Terrific hero energy in these shots, establishing Hana’s determination and drive. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7h.png I just love this transitional shot, as UraRyoTaros heads out for a night of romance. Using these blue lights for the scene change… so smart! https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7i.png HOW HANDSOME IS THIS MAN?! Too handsome. I cannot have him spiking the lens like this again, it’s going to make me swoon. I dislike swooning! Not a fan! https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7j.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7k.png The lighting in this apartment is so oppressively pink, so distractingly sweet… it’s gorgeous to look at, and an early use of this episode’s main camera trick, this wire/crane shot. Camera up high, static, with a horizontal rotation. It gives a Bird’s Eye View to scenes, appropriate for the story’s Imagin. It also adds a tension to some of the emotional scenes, where we feel like we’re intruding on something private. We aren’t in the scene, like we normally would be. We’re above the scene, prying. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7l.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7m.png The pink of the room is great for how forced it is, which is the key to understanding Yuumi, this story’s victim, played by Ryuki’s Shimada (and Faiz’s Live-Action Hatsune Miku). She’s a fantastic actor , with this face that’s big and round and sad. The way these two shots use the filtered sunlight for her big smile, and then flip her around for this shadowed fear… great use of light. Yuumi doesn’t really get much dialogue in this episode, but the way she carries herself, the way she’s constantly trying and failing to psyche herself up, the way her entire apartment is designed to trick her into being happy… every scene with her in this space is heartbreaking. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7n.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7o.png Hilariously shot gag, with Ura and Momo brawling on the floor like children, Owner threatens to kick them off the train, same over-the-shoulder shot but now they’re chummy. Just a solid, classic gag with perfect execution. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7p.png The staging of this first MomoRyoTaros scene is intriguing, with all these bikes giving the visual of a cage. Momo is boxed in on all sides in this scene, straining to get some air. It’s the perfect preamble for a big Imagin fight scene. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7q.png Back to that overhead camera trick, this time to layout the geography of a monster attack. Not really more to it than that, but I like the extra effort being applied to a simple establishing shot. No small roles, etc etc https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7r.png First Den-O shot of the episode, and they put him dead center in frame. So great! Instantly turning up the energy in the episode. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7s.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7t.png Just a stupidly fun fight sequence, with Momo having an absolute blast deflecting the Imagin’s attacks. The whole fight is a winner, from Ryotaro’s gentle scolding of Momo’s excitement, to Momo’s over-the-top joy at getting to test himself in combat, to Momo’s over-the-top despair at the Imagin cutting the fight short. Momo begging an Imagin to come back so he could fight it is maybe the defining moment for that character in my brain right now. He’s nearly beside himself with grief at only getting a portion of a fight. Loved it. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7u.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7v.png This whole thing with the jealous ex-boyfriend showing up at Milk Dipper… it’s a lot. Even for an episode where the jokes are turned up to 11, this scene turns the performances up to 12. It is almost criminally broad. If there was a prison for Wacky Toku, everyone involved in the production of this episode would probably still be serving time there. But! I love the use of lighting on Miura’s face here. Split-second timing to get this gag to work, and they nailed it. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7x.png And then we’re back at Yuumi’s apartment, and I could not be more impressed with this image. She’s in this cotton candy cocoon and she looks like she’s been sentenced to death. There’s an inextinguishable sadness in her, a void that she’s trying to fill with manufactured joy. Can’t stop staring at this. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7y.png A real dumb slow-motion punch gag that I laughed real hard at. Starting it with this exaggerated contact and then ending it with an extreme close-up on Airi saying RYO-CHAN and her voice is pitched down from the slowed playback… funny stuff! Very broad! But funny stuff! https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z1.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z2.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z3.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z4.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z5.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z6.png This whole interrogation scene… I don’t love the Jealous Ex, honestly. He’s so insanely over-the-top, even for this episode, and the show is scrupulously avoiding giving us any real context for what he’s on about. He’s Angry and Possessive, and it’s hard to see the person inside all of these comedic outbursts. But, man, some clever camera and editing choices here. I don’t know if I love them going so hard on He’s Crazy, but the execution never wavers from its goal. https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z7.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z8.png https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/deno/den7z9.png Great use of that birds-eye camera again, this time literally for a bird’s eye. Them swinging a camera over Den-O to simulate the charging and diving of the Imgin is incredibly kinetic, and works great for the cliffhanger. An exciting final fight for an episode of top-shelf camerawork. Next time: Maybe I’ll talk about the story some! |
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