SPLIT, what do you like? I think you hate Wizard just because that is the thing to hate right now. Wizard is no where near as bad as what you say, especially Beast. Now to be fair, I am reserving all of my final thoughts and feelings on Beast for when it ends, but it is far from being a terrible show. Decade is really the only KR series I would call terrible. Even the ones I don't like, such as Den-O and Kabuto, had things about them that made them enjoyable to watch and are not terrible. What about the use of mythology in wizard? Don't you even like that? That is one of the best things about the show. You are like an even more negative version of me, and I don't even know how that is possible.

Watched Kiva 21 and 22, enjoyed it I love the characters, Nago's mind I find very weird at times and I love Mio and Wataru together right now. Also Otoya and Jirou's love triangle with Yuri is so much fun.

I will always stand by Haruto as one of the best Heisei Riders, even with the show still unfinished. He's serious, he's dedicated to his job, he's willing to sacrifice himself to save others, and while he can be humorous, he doesn't ever become an over-exaggerated caricature just to give the audience some laughs. It's just a pity that the show can't decide if it wants to be early-Heisei style drama or Den-O-style broad comedy.

I will say, though, that Beast is easily one of the worst secondary Riders ever. I'm not saying I don't like the character, because I really do, but in terms of overall effectiveness he's about on par with the G3 suit from Agito. He looks flashy and has some cool abilities, but on a skill level he just plain sucks.

I really don't see it.
Not your statements of Haruto being one of the best, but other main riders being pastiches of Den-O.
I've yet to see Kuuga or Agito, but you defend them like mad, but Shinji in Ryuki was a fairly serious character, the comedy stemming from his interactions with Ren and Kitaoka, Kazuma I don't recall ever being funny outside of the odd filler, Tendou's humor came from how Kagami reacted to him, but was otherwise straight laced, Wataru...Alright. Tsukasa, they had no idea what to do with him to begin with, Shotaro was lighthearted, but he was very similar to Haruto in his resolve and action while simultaneously being able to crack a smile, Eiji wasn't a very humorous character at all, being more optimistic and happy, but he wasn't just cracking jokes or doing slapstick (Outside of the underwear bit that I don't recall was brought up very often), and Gen...Alright.

You seem to divide the Riders as "SUPER SERIAL" Kotaro, "LESS SERIAL" Godai, or "COMIC NONSENSE" Ryotaro, but I just don't see where you get that, when the riders seem to only start being less serious post Decade, and, even then, the likes of Eiji and Shotaro aren't anywhere near expies of Den-O, treating their world and scenario with a serious demeanor.

I still like Beast. He may not be effective as a character, but he reinvigorated me to continue watching Wizard.

Haruto and Eiji are my favourite man Riders so far into my journey into Kamen Rider. Godai is my least.

Date is by far my favourite secondary Rider (although Meteor wins on design, powers etc), Beast is my least.

Eiji or Kazuma are probably my favorites.
Tsukasa my least (Shocking, I know.)

For secondary Riders...I think it'd either be Kagami or Yuuto for my favorite, while my least favorite would be Kaitou (Though, for Diend's sake, it's less that I dislike him, it's just that other secondary Riders are more interesting).

I think you missed my point. I wasn't saying that the other main Riders are all like Den-O, I'm saying that the rest of Wizard's cast is like the broad comedy characters from Den-O (and not the likable ones - more the like Oozakis and Miuras).

But your declarations of Haruto being "One of the best Heisei Riders" always stems from your statements that he's more in line with Showa and early Heisei main Riders, which naturally draws the comparisons to current Riders.
While the rest of Wizards' cast would fit in Den-O, yes, but what is Haruto doing that every other main Rider bar, Ryotaro, Wataru, and Gentaro, aren't?

Oh and here it goes.

You people are a self-parody at this point. I mention that I don't like ONE show and it's all "what DO you like?" Oh, so you paid enough attention to me to apparently find out I hate everythign ever but wasn't paying attention when I defended OOO all, through Locke's bashing of it's lore?

If you want to make smart remarks, try a bit harder to get the whole story first, huh?

Coming from you this sentence is hysterical.

I hate Wizard because it sucks and has no redeeming value. I didn't even know Wizard WAS the thing to hate. Outside of this thread I don't take part in any discussion of Wizard.

Don't flatter yourself. Except for Wizard, Agito and Kabuto I like pretty much everything Kamen Rider I've tried, (even stuff like Kiva that wasn't my thing, I didn't find anything wrong or bad about it) and the only reason I dislike Agito is because it's thirty episodes too long and I just get not entertainment value from Kabuto.

I love it, I just love how TFW it is in here. I'm nothing but "I love this, this is good, having fun with this" and I talk about how one show is genuinely awful and it's "DOO U LIEK ANYTIGN LIK COM ON" responses.

I though Tokunation was better than that.

No way, man. Wizard is meandering, flat dreck. Not a single character is likable and nothing it does is better than other series.

Haruto is dull as dirt and is incapable of facial expresson. Nothing about him is unique, memorable, or again, done any better than any other rider. He's serious and convicted? Uh, so is literally every single Kamen Rider ever. He's not atrocious, but he's easily the blandest. And really, overall there's nothing to the show. Den-O is chock full of amazing characters and W has probably one of the best main Riders ever and an awesome backstory to the show itself and you say "plain sugar" is better? (granted you JUST started Den-O and you literally stopped RIGHT BEFORE they started the world building in W so I can't blame you for anything more than calling it too early)

Don't worry. I mentioned that I didn't like Gokaiger and I got labeled a hater for weeks. :p