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Starscream Gaga 05-07-2013 12:22 PM
I was pretty certain he killed her. He shot a beam at her, it enveloped her, she screamed, close-up of his face looking remorseless. I feel that if she survived, they would've shown her. It was definitely a Moral Event Horizon.

AkibaSilver 05-07-2013 03:38 PM
Goseiger episode 2: Lets brainwash them, that'll make it better! :)

Locke 05-07-2013 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89 (Post 146422)
I can't say a lot for Go-busters, not having watched it much, but I get a general sense of what you're saying, and I think it's just unfamiliarity with a certain "style" of different countries' filming. When I was a kid, that turned me off Ultraman and other Tokusatsu because I was just not used to watching them, it felt so unfamiliar, so unsettling and yes, a bit cheap.

In fact, I feel this way watching anything not American. When I had my first glimpse at Doctor Who, I felt that same unsettled feeling. Even as a kid, while I enjoyed the Mr Bean episodes, I felt something was wrong. I enjoyed some Hong Kong and Korean dramas, but they felt too smooth and fake-feeling.

When I started my first Super Sentai series, Shinkenger, I felt weird watching it fresh off Power Rangers RPM. RPM was fast-paced, lots of flashy lights with fights that were quick and gritty. Shinkenger was very drawn out, and the drawn out nature of things made it more easy to spot flaws inherent in Tokusatsu (both Power Rangers and Super Sentai).

I told myself I would probably quit after a few episodes, but I was curious to see how the story went, so I stayed on.

Once I got past the unsettled feeling, I began to enjoy it a lot more and I still do to this day. It's really just something you have to break in to. I'm not sure why we feel this way. It might be culture shock, but I suspect it has something to do with the video framerate or something, I don't know. Kind of like how the people who watched the Hobbit in 60fps felt it looked really fake.
I've never really thought about this.

I'm from the UK, so I was brought up on as many American products as I was UK ones and as I grew up, I watched films from all over the world.

All I know is the opening episode of Go-Busters felt cheaper than other Sentai I've watched. I mean in a sense DekaRanger looked shittier but it came out like ten years earlier.

It was largely down to the special effects and sets, I can largely ignore the cardboard weapons and rubber monsters, it's how it's always been but that opening episode replaced as much of the practical stuff as it could with CGI and green screens but I've seen better quality CGI in Sentai years before this series.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 04:44 PM
My problem with Go-Busters wasn't that it looked cheap.
But that it was just a bore to watch.

I can deal with cardboard boxes and meh CG if the actors and script can sell them, but GB just couldn't.

Locke 05-07-2013 04:46 PM
I actually thought the mech fight was really fun in the opening episode, I loved how they showed shots through the cockpit window so it actually didn't just seem like some dude in a suit, although we all know it was.

That aside though, meh.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 04:49 PM
I'm not denying the mech scenes aren't fun.
But I just wasn't as enthralled by them.

ComicGuy89 05-07-2013 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 146634)
I've never really thought about this.

I'm from the UK, so I was brought up on as many American products as I was UK ones and as I grew up, I watched films from all over the world.

All I know is the opening episode of Go-Busters felt cheaper than other Sentai I've watched. I mean in a sense DekaRanger looked shittier but it came out like ten years earlier.

It was largely down to the special effects and sets, I can largely ignore the cardboard weapons and rubber monsters, it's how it's always been but that opening episode replaced as much of the practical stuff as it could with CGI and green screens but I've seen better quality CGI in Sentai years before this series.
Oh, I thought that was your first experience with Super Sentai. I guess in that case you should just ignore all of my previous statements. :D

Locke 05-07-2013 08:09 PM
I admittedly haven't seen a lot of sentai.

Saw DekaRanger and I liked it way more than SPD.

I liked Shinkenger but then I found it really lost its way in the middle and become mind numbingly boring and a chore to get through, especially since Sentai gets like twenty more episodes than most Power Rangers seasons.

I watched Kyoryuger, I thought it was awful.

I watched Jetman and I really, really like it.

I watched DaiRanger and the opening episode is one of the worst things I have ever watched so I never went back to it.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 08:14 PM
*Cough*Gekiranger*CoughCough*

Locke 05-07-2013 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 146754)
*Cough*Gekiranger*CoughCough*
Oh yeah shit and I watched Gekiranger's opening episode to see if it was better than Jungle Fury.

It wasn't.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 146757)
Oh yeah shit and I watched Gekiranger's opening episode to see if it was better than Jungle Fury.

It wasn't.
>One episode
>Pilot
>Judging 1 episode vs an entire series

There's a certain flaw in your logic and I pray you find it.

Locke 05-07-2013 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 146760)
>One episode
>Pilot
>Judging 1 episode vs an entire series

There's a certain flaw in your logic and I pray you find it.
Oh yeah obviously, but I mean I enjoyed the opening episode of Jungle Fury much more than I did of GekiRanger, so as such I pursued JF and not Geki.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 146764)
Oh yeah obviously, but I mean I enjoyed the opening episode of Jungle Fury much more than I did of GekiRanger, so as such I pursued JF and not Geki.
After the recent debates over Sentai and PR being their own, separate, entities, too :p

Locke 05-07-2013 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 146767)
After the recent debates over Sentai and PR being their own, separate, entities, too :p
It was less due to their similarities and more because everyone slammed JF and praised Geki, I watched the opening episodes of JF and I really enjoyed it was like, 'the fuck is everyone complaining about?' and for the sake of my own piece of mind I watched the opening episode of Geki.

They are similar in the sense they are all about like martial arts and play out like old Kung Fu movies but that is where their similarities end from what I've seen.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 08:37 PM
People complained about JF?
Seriously?
RJ is pretty much Power Rangers' (Not just JF's, but PR as a whole) Ensemble Darkhorse.

Locke 05-07-2013 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 146774)
People complained about JF?
Seriously?
RJ is pretty much Power Rangers' (Not just JF's, but PR as a whole) Ensemble Darkhorse.
I guess that is what happens when you get wedged between Operation Overdrive and RPM and battle uphill the entire time against the writers strike.

KyoryuGreen 05-07-2013 10:58 PM
Finished Liveman Episode 3 and a fantastic episode for Live Yellow who is becoming one of my favorite Sentai warriors so far. I love this story right now.

Klonoahedgehog 05-07-2013 11:09 PM
I'm waiting for episode 12 of Kyoryuger to be uploaded to Youtube.

Matrixbeast 05-07-2013 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Klonoahedgehog (Post 146869)
I'm waiting for episode 12 of Kyoryuger to be uploaded to Youtube.
We're all waiting for Episode 12 to be subbed. Taking surprisingly long.

Oh, and welcome.

Den-O 05-08-2013 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 146779)
I guess that is what happens when you get wedged between Operation Overdrive and RPM and battle uphill the entire time against the writers strike.
Coming from someone who dislikes pretty much anything Wild Force and up I can say that I thought Jungle Fury was a pitiful disgrace. I've seen people go on and on about RJ but I can't figure out why. But Power Rangers hasn't clicked with me since Time Force and I'm not sure that it ever will again. For me Jungle Fury was a disgrace to the source material. I'm sorry but it just can't hold a candle to Gekiranger. And other than Operation Overdriver, which is also a disgrace to Boukenger, I'd say it's the worst season I've seen.

Locke 05-08-2013 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 147002)
Coming from someone who dislikes pretty much anything Wild Force and up I can say that I thought Jungle Fury was a pitiful disgrace. I've seen people go on and on about RJ but I can't figure out why. But Power Rangers hasn't clicked with me since Time Force and I'm not sure that it ever will again. For me Jungle Fury was a disgrace to the source material. I'm sorry but it just can't hold a candle to Gekiranger. And other than Operation Overdriver, which is also a disgrace to Boukenger, I'd say it's the worst season I've seen.
Aside from my own curiosity I treat the two franchises as separate things and Sentai is something I have very little interest in. People always say 'aw the sentai is better' but so what, err... thanks?

I love Jungle Fury because despite all the criticisms it had against it that it was 'going through the motions', it has some of the most complex and just all round good characters that I've seen in Power Rangers for years. And coming straight from Dino Thunder, it's nice to see stories followed through to the end for once.

Sentai 05-08-2013 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Den-O (Post 147002)
Coming from someone who dislikes pretty much anything Wild Force and up I can say that I thought Jungle Fury was a pitiful disgrace. I've seen people go on and on about RJ but I can't figure out why. But Power Rangers hasn't clicked with me since Time Force and I'm not sure that it ever will again. For me Jungle Fury was a disgrace to the source material. I'm sorry but it just can't hold a candle to Gekiranger. And other than Operation Overdriver, which is also a disgrace to Boukenger, I'd say it's the worst season I've seen.
Because RJ was awesome, is the answer to that question.

Locke 05-08-2013 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 147057)
Because RJ was awesome, is the answer to that question.
He is a fucking werewolf.

AND a Power Ranger.

AND a martial arts master.

I don't know how you can hate that much awesome.

ZeoRangerV 05-08-2013 03:37 AM
You forgot that he owns a pizzeria. That trumps them all :D

Locke 05-08-2013 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV (Post 147063)
You forgot that he owns a pizzeria. That trumps them all :D
AND lives in one of the coolest loft conversions I have ever seen.

KyoryuGreen 05-08-2013 04:03 AM
Rj is fucking awesome!

Matrixbeast 05-08-2013 11:04 PM
Well, 12 episodes into Kyoryuger, so 1/4 of the way done (More or less).

So, at the current moment, I'll rank it as 5th favorite Sentai, which is prone to change as things go on and as I watch other Sentai.
1. Gekiranger
2. Dekaranger
3. Kakuranger
4. Goseiger
5. Kyoryuger

It seems that every time it takes a step forward, it takes two steps back and, just before I'm about to stop watching, it takes another step forward and pulls me back in again.
So, yeah. It's doing fine, but the gimmicks are killing things for me.

Locke 05-08-2013 11:19 PM
Wait so is episode 12 worth watching then? I saw some gifs of Amy in her suit and glasses and God damn.

Or is it still just made up entirely of poo jokes and awful plotting and characterisation?

Matrixbeast 05-08-2013 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 147652)
Wait so is episode 12 worth watching then?

Or is it still just made up entirely of poo jokes and awful plotting and characterisation?
I found it to be enjoyable.

It's a different beast, but Utsusemimaru is really selling the show for me.

Locke 05-08-2013 11:49 PM
Meh I didn't care for him, I guess it isn't worth me picking it back up then.

Matrixbeast 05-08-2013 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 147675)
Meh I didn't care for him, I guess it isn't worth me picking it back up then.
Probably not. I like him, personally. He breaks status quo as well as the norm for 6th rangers in general.

Locke 05-08-2013 11:53 PM
His fights are fun, albeit he is extremely overpowered.

Everything else I could care less for.

Matrixbeast 05-08-2013 11:56 PM
I just enjoy him overall. He's the KR Beast of this series, in a sense, subverting his normal character archetype while being fun and interesting to watch.

So yeah, come episode 20, he'll probably get old, but at the moment, I like what I see.

Locke 05-09-2013 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 147688)
I just enjoy him overall. He's the KR Beast of this series, in a sense, subverting his normal character archetype while being fun and interesting to watch.

So yeah, come episode 20, he'll probably get old, but at the moment, I like what I see.
Is Wizard any good by the way? I've been looking for somewhere to jump in with KR that isn't W and I'm wondering if the newest series is the best place to start.

Matrixbeast 05-09-2013 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 147697)
Is Wizard any good by the way? I've been looking for somewhere to jump in with KR that isn't W and I'm wondering if the newest series is the best place to start.
Oh...You should probably dip your toe in it and try it. It's certainly a mixed bag. I think it's extremely lacking, personally, until Beast shows up.

Locke 05-09-2013 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 147708)
Oh...You should probably dip your toe in it and try it. It's certainly a mixed bag. I think it's extremely lacking, personally, until Beast shows up.
Are there any better places to start then?

Dr Kain 05-09-2013 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 147652)
Wait so is episode 12 worth watching then? I saw some gifs of Amy in her suit and glasses and God damn.

Or is it still just made up entirely of poo jokes and awful plotting and characterisation?
Uh... what?

So because 3 minutes of one episode made poo jokes you say it has awful plotting?

While I cannot say I like the way they are treating the gold ranger, the plotting has been well done thus far and we have gotten some good character development. More has happened in this show's 11 episodes than Go-Buster did in 50. Is it the greatest Sentai show ever? No. However, it is a very enjoyable one and better than most of the crap we have gotten in the last 10 years. It is already superior to the likes of Go-On, Gosei, and Shinken.

Locke, Wizard is awesome. Not as good as W or Fourze, but vastly superior to OOO and I mostly liked OOO. It does have a slow start, but that is just how most of the KR series work these days until the second rider appears, then things get moving. My only real problem with the show is how lackluster Koyomi is. After episode 4, she serves no purpose and should have been killed off month's ago. I know people complain about Haruto's characterization, but honestly, sure, it isn't deep, but he reminds me a lot of the riders from the Showa days. Those riders never really received too much development outside of the "Oh woe is me, I am a cyborg or something, so I must fight evil" either. I mean, I Kotaro is my favorite rider, but he is exactly the same character in episode 51 that he is in episode 2.

Locke 05-09-2013 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 147718)
Uh... what?

So because 3 minutes of one episode made poo jokes you say it has awful plotting?

While I cannot say I like the way they are treating the gold ranger, the plotting has been well done thus far and we have gotten some good character development. More has happened in this show's 11 episodes than Go-Buster did in 50. Is it the greatest Sentai show ever? No. However, it is a very enjoyable one and better than most of the crap we have gotten in the last 10 years. It is already superior to the likes of Go-On, Gosei, and Shinken.
Yeah the show is all over the map. You have these extremely mature and adult episodes, you have these extremely fillerly and kiddy episodes, you spend time establishing a villain and defeat them with a terrible joke etc etc

Not to mention that pretty much every aspect of the show is rushed to the point where it has no meaning.

I don't think this show is better than Shinkenger at all and I have no idea why everyone is bumming it so hard.

So should I jump in with Wizard then? I was told to start with W but I watched the first ten episodes and wasn't feeling it, I've been looking for a way in ever since.

Starscream Gaga 05-09-2013 03:53 AM
I don't know if I like Shinkenger or Kyoryuger better! They're really, really different and I really enjoyed Shinkenger and am really enjoying Kyoryuger.

Which established enemy are you referring to with "defeated with a terrible joke"? Nobody immediately springs to mind but its not the first time you've mentioned it, am I forgetting something?

Locke 05-09-2013 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Starscream Gaga (Post 147818)
I don't know if I like Shinkenger or Kyoryuger better! They're really, really different and I really enjoyed Shinkenger and am really enjoying Kyoryuger.

Which established enemy are you referring to with "defeated with a terrible joke"? Nobody immediately springs to mind but its not the first time you've mentioned it, am I forgetting something?
The disease guy. He was introduced at the end of one episode really dramatically so I was like 'oh shit, finally a general that will add some tension to this show!'

Then the next episode he was defeated by a gag and I was just like, 'oh, that was pointless'.


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