I'm not surprised. I don't understand why they focused on their origins at all. "They da bad guys. Da good guys stopped them. Now they gotta be special team or die" is basically all the history the Suicide Squad needs. It's a dumb call, especially for a movie that is both a team up and a debut movie for these characters. They should've pulled a Guardians, and gave the viewer snippits of their backstory, but only parts relevant to the current story.

And the dark movie vs the more lighthearted promo material wasn't surprising. Fans speculated that the reshoots was to make it more lighthearted, but once DC straight up said "No, we're not doing that" then it was kind of obvious it was gonna be a needlessly grim movie.

So basically DC crapped the bed again.

Hilariously, I still want to see it. I hate the Margot Robbie Harley, but it feels like the only DC movie right now, live action or animated, that has any life in it.

I'm holding out hope that it'll be enjoyable even if it is overly grimdark.

I just can't get over how all of DC's recent movies animated or live have writing that reads like a 2edgey4me teenager's bad fanfiction.:lol

Oh yes they are. They seem to think every movie must be better than the last one or it isn't good. They are really going to have a field day when Marvel hits that ceiling and starts spiraling downward.

I'm not surprised. The movie looks awful.

Jahns gave it a good review, but I don't always agree with him. Hell, he loved Jason Bourne and I thought it was as dull and uninspiring as its title.

He never said a damn thing in his review about Croc, Katana or Enchantress, so that worries me that they are nothing more than wallpaper.

It's because DC was way out of touch with what makes comics good. They think everything has to be grim and dark and joyless with excessive language and sex scenes to make it good. Hell, Bruce got laid in 4 of the first issues of the New 52 he was featured in. Batman, Detective Comics, and Catwoman, but I can't remember what the last one was.

I just hope DC finally realizing the error of their ways can fix their cartoons and comics before it becomes too late.

Well, if you believe some fans, Marvel has already hit that point since Civil War. Then again, other Marvel fans will say that every movie since Winter Soldier has been "So average it's lame"

As for DC's current affairs, well, Justice League Action is definitely a lighthearted show, and the Justice League trailer is on the right track (We just have to see if it'll follow Suicide Squad's lead and make a light trailer that is completely not indicative of the final product)

...I've actually been wondering for awhile now if DC editorial is ran by overgrown 2edgey4me teenagers who never grew out of the 90s comic fad?

It's more likely an old man who doesn't know how to keep up with the trends.

I think it's Geoff Johns. Don't get me wrong--he's a talented writer. But he's at his best when he's not trying to defend comics as a serious artistic medium by revamping old heroes so that they don't have the qualities that people make fun of them for, regardless of how intrinsic some of those qualities may be.

It's why Barry Allen's mom is dead.

And why nobody wears trunks anymore.

And why Aquaman spends half of his time brooding about the fact that nobody takes him seriously.

And why Simon Baz is defined by the fact that everyone thinks he's a terrorist instead of the fact that he's a Green Lantern and a hero.

And why Hal Jordan, Hal FUCKING Jordan, the biggest IDIOT in the entire DC universe, is "the greatest Green Lantern of all time."

Lately, it seems that for every Superman: Secret Origin he writes, there's a DC Universe: Rebirth.

No, it's not Geoff Johns at all. Look at how the man brought back Hal Jordan, gave us the greatest Wally West Flash run ever, and then brought Barry back. The man knows these characters and knows how to write them. Yeah, so he killed off Barry's mom, big deal. Barry is my favorite Flash, always has been, but the silver age stuff had him so cookie cutter. It wasn't until things happened with him in the 70s where he really became a great person, so Johns was trying to add another dynamic to the character.

The issue is Didiot because he believes everything has to be dark and serious. He even made the comments that heroes should not be allowed to get married because they have sacrified their happiness to save others. Didiot was pretty much doing to DC over the last five years what Quesada was doing to Marvel ten years ago.

I just hope the worst of DC is over with Rebirth (at least for the next 20 years until they screw it up again).

...*weakly waves Spidey/MJ flag*

Nope I'm over OMD really totally over. it.

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I came back from seeing Suicide Squad and it was okay. Suicide Squad falls under the category of great premise, bad execution. I didn't really care for most of the characters. I like Will Smith in the movie, but the other characters barely felt there. This whole movie felt like it two different movies that was stitched together. I do admit that the action was good and I didn't find the movie boring to watch. The Joker's role was too short for me to make any sort of judgement but from what I saw he was alright. Maybe he will have a bigger role in the sequel or in the next Batman solo film.

The movie is a rental at best. If you want to see it on the big screen, go see it a discount price. I felt like Cyber City Oedo 808 did a similar premise of criminals working for the Government better and that was 26-25 years ago. I like it better than Batman v Superman, but not by much. Grade: C

got talked into going to "Suicide Squad"

I fucking hated this movie.

There's so much wrong I don't even know where to start (spoilers below)...




*DC, you really need to hire someone who actually knows how to direct action scenes. Half the fights are shot through some dark haze and there's no real focus on any major action bits.
*Between the gratuitous slow-mo persistent in these fight scenes & the repeated close-up shots of Harley's ass, Zach Snyder's influence on production is PAINFULLY obvious.
*I'm not sure if it was the makeup or the actor, but Killer Croc felt almost completely unintelligible. I had an easier time making out Tom Hardy's Bane speeches.

*Deadshot's character arcs make absolutely no sense. His establishing profile is all about how much he loves his daughter (and could they have picked a WORSE child actor for that role?!) but later on he flat up admits he's basically a sociopath and has no regrets about what he does because he "cannot feel love." Also, there's a bit where he doesn't want to put his mask on because "bad things happen" when he does- are they trying to imply he doesn't want to be a killer after all?? (well, no- they're writing a reason to not cover up Will Smith with a mask after spending so much to get him in the damn thing. It's just a crappy reason).

*There's too many characters on the Squad. Nobody really gets a chance to stand out; its all just introduction & exposition. One member, Slipknot, shows up just to get killed off ten minutes later to "prove how serious the government is." And what the hell was Katana even doing there?? There's a bit that should be important where she reveals that she actually can speak English despite all of her dialogue being subtitled, and then she NEVER speaks to anyone on the squad again for the rest of the fim!!

*The "love story" background with Enchantress and Rick Flagg is painful enough, but nobody stops at any point to recognize that the situation they have to stop was only CREATED by someone wanting to form the Suicide Squad? None of this would've happened if this group of individuals had come together, yet only this group of individuals could stop it...

*You could cut Joker out of the film and not lose a damn thing. His total screentime's about ten minutes, and all of it sucks. Leto is easily the worst version of the character in memory and no amount of screentime would his incredibly dickish behind-the-scenes behavior.

*Captain Boomerang's a brony, for some reason. Also he gets caught by Flash- surprise cameo. And he looks awful, the suit is like an even crappier version of the new Power Rangers movie costumes & the effects used for him look worse than the TV show. BOTH TV shows...

*That said, the effects overall are pretty terrible. The CG used for Enchantress and her minions are laughably bad.

*Viola Davies is probably the only one in the cast with a decent performance, although I still hate the "beanpole" look for Amanda Waller. And her character's not immune to stupid moments either; she gets captured at one point & information is extracted from her brain that should be an important factor motivating the Squad to rescue her- but then it's never brought up and she just shows up alive & well after the big battle.

*And then there's Harley. There is SO much wrong with Harley in this portrayal. It's not funny, it's not charming, and it certainly doesn't seem sexy to me. The new outfit looks like she fell into a Hot Topic bargain bin (and there's a five-second cameo of her "Iconic" look for apparently no reason). Her character's all over the map too; she has a couple moments where it looks like she's rallying the Squad together despite everything that happens to them but overall she begins and ends the movie at the exact same point- she wants to fuck the Joker. That's ultimately all she's given here.


Definitely not recommended.

I think DC fans are mad at Rotten Tomatoes because they want the DC movies to do well and want people to see them. Bad word of mouth can hurt movies a lot and a lot of people do use Rotten Tomatoes before checking out a movie. I seen many bad movies do poorly at the box office because of bad buzz on the web and outside the Internet. I think the movie will probably have a big drop off due to mix-bad word of mouth.

That's what happen with Batman v Superman, Hulk (2003), Elektra and several other movies. If it sucks or just okay, people will just rent it at the Red Box for $1.50. They end up saving money by doing that.

I'm staying at a friend for half a week, and he asked if I was interested. Part of me wants to critique it with my personal experience, though the other part wants nothing to do with Jared Leto after hearing about his performance

The third movie in the DC Cinematic Universe has been released. Is it the best movie in the universe? Can that even be considered an accomplishment? Or is this mission a failure? Watch to find out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_L3mC5V-U

Yeah, people tend to forget that Marvel stumbled out of the gate with their non MCU films too.

DC needs to realize that dark and gritty can only get them so far...personally, I'm getting sick of people thinking that every single comic book movie or reboot needs to be an edgy reimagining.

Dark and gritty can actually get them tons of mileage.
The problem is that they want to do it with the big name properties, and not the characters that are actually dark and gritty, because they don't want to take the risk of selling something without Superman or Batman.

Making Batman dark and gritty is one thing...but doing that to Superman is the thing that always felt odd and out of place to me as it goes against what Superman represents.

Batman and Superman have always had that perfect yin-yang relationship going on as Superman represents something Batman isn't, so I feel that something is lost when you take that dynamic away from those two.

Yup. DC wants the tone that characters like Swamp Thing or Constantine can carry, but they're only interested in making movies for the big names, and it's not meshing well.

Maybe DC will realize one of these days.

There's a difference though. The Marvel films were not made by Marvel, they were made by various companies. Even the worst Marvel Studios film (Thor 2 and Iron Man 2) are still entertaining movies even if they couldn't live up to their predecessors.

Blades 2 and 3 were from New Line. Elektra, X3, and DareDevil were from Fox. Hulk was Universal. Ghost Rider and Spider-Man 3 were Sony.

DC's films have always been made by DC. Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Batman & Robin, Superman 3 and 4, Constatine, etc. I believe the only exception being Return of the Swamp Thing.

Best way I can put Suicide Squad is that there is an excellent film in what was haphazardly edited together.

Hal Jordan wasn't even that great.

More often than not, the dude would get defeated by a paper bag or his own clumsiness than he would anything else. Sure, he's got historical significance, and the Parallax shift was kinda dumb, but he's FAR from the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Johns might've changed that, (in the mainstream DC continuity--Darwyn Cooke wrote the best Hal Jordan story of all time,) but it was only AFTER Kyle Rayner had time to take on the challenges of the mantle.

Bringing back Barry was completely unnecessary (and something that Grant Morrison technically wrote). Johns wrote the stories that reintegrated him into the DC Universe, but Barry's story had an arc that was finished beautifully and Wally had been the Flash for longer. Bringing Barry back was a character regression that may have delivered two awesome runs with Francis Manapul and my favorite show on TV, but that doesn't change the hackneyed nature of his return.

The Flash is a character that Geoff Johns himself said shouldn't be dark, but he was the guy who took a simple and elegant backstory and added an unnecessary amount of brooding grit to it.

Geoff Johns is a writer who's stuck on the past--and sometimes it's for the better (Superman: Secret Origin). Lately, though, it's come at the cost of the future (The Flash: Rebirth, DC Universe: Rebirth).

DiDiio has a hand in the company's direction, to be sure, as does Jim Lee, but Geoff Johns is the guy at the head of the charge.

Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3 and The Incredible Hulk are okay movies in my opinion. While they are entertaining, they do suffer from having weak scripts. I think live action superhero comic book movies in general don't have that great of a track record. Most of them are pretty bad in my opinion.

Planning to catch a matinee for Suicide Squad soon.
Wish me luck ladies and gentlemen.

I don't know what to tell you. My first Lantern comic was Kyle's premier issue, but every adult I knew said Hal was the greatest Lantern and hated Kyle. And then when Hal was coming back every one older than me praised it.

To say the Rebirth stuff wasn't great would be a lie though, as Johns has given us the best GL material in decades. Sinestro forming his own corp, the different Lantern corps in general, and Blackest Night are all brilllaint and some of the best stuff to come out of DC after the 2000s.

I prefer Barry, but I can see where you are coming from.

He didn't add any brooding grit to it. Having a tragic past doesn't make it gritty, it adds character to it. Besides, are you certain this was Johns' choice?

DC Rebirth has been a masterpiece so far. It feels like the DC universe again and the heroes feel like heroes.

No, Didiot is making the decisions and Johns has to follow them.

Funny thing is, DC is doing exactly what Marvel did back in those days: they're licensing out their properties to too many people instead of keeping it all in house.

Aren't all the movies done by WB and Zach Snyder?

Yeah but we also have the TV shows by CW and NBC.

Just the fact that they didn't use the CW TV Universe as the basis for their movie universe is baffling to me...

A friend of mine is a huuuuge comic nerd and he said DC believes the audience is too stupid to know the difference between the universes, case and point Suicide Squad in Arrowverse being built up, but then no payoff because 'the audience couldn't POSSIBLY tell the two apart' after movie plans were being done

Yeah, I remember the whole bat embargo thing that was going on during the mid 2000s.

That's why they didn't use Robin in The Batman till later cause Teen Titans was airing at the same time too.

To be fair, audiences are really fucking stupid. After having a legit conversation with someone arguing that Arrow is "The dude from the Avengers," I can totally see why DC would make that assumption...

What? lol

...That's just... Dumb.

...Even my grandmother know the difference between Green arrow and Hawkeye!

No joke. One of my former roommate's friends was dead set on believing that Arrow was about Hawkeye, and it's why he didn't get his own movie. :lol

Still inexcusable. Marvel has their comics, tv shows and MCU. They like working on multiple different universes for different characters. DC should learn from this, as nobody's thinking Drake Bell is Tom Holland or anything. Then again, I hear DC reboots everything after getting bored

The difference is Marvel HAD to do that to save themselves from bankruptcy*admittedly because of their own stupid decisions* DC doesn't.

So does Marvel, what's your point?

I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert, but a friend of mine who's basically my go-to Comic guru, told me that DC has a habit of rebooting a lot more than Marvel. Also, out of curiosity, has DC had 2 different universes of comics come out at the same time? Amazing Spiderman and Ultimate Spiderman both got released in the mid-2000's

When the JL movie trailer came out, I see people asking why Cyborg is with the JL when he is a member of the Teen Titans. When the GL movie came out a few years ago, I see people that are surprise that the GL is white and not a American American person. Most people don't read comics sadly. They go by what they watch on TV or by the movies.

I also saw people that where confused why The Flash in the JL movie trailer is not the same in the CW TV show.