That's essentially why I enjoyed 2 more, too. The Furious 5 were essentially footnotes in the first film (Sans Tigress), and it was seriously disappointing that they only got 2 or 3 lines each. I did like that they got more to do in the sequel. Shen was just awesome. Tai Lung was alright, but he wasn't threatening (He was presented and talked up as a threat, but the character himself just didn't feel like one).

You're right about Tai Lung. He had an amazing prison break scene, but became a bit more comic relief towards the end.

Shen, on the other hand, may not be that strong or skilled, but was far more evil in character. His obsession with subverting destiny was genuinely scary for me. He was malicious, evil and sadistic.

I finished watching the original X-Men trilogy. I have found that there was at least one scientific inaccuracy in each of them.

X-Men: Logan's healing factor.

When Rogue absorbed Logan's healing factor the second time, Logan's wounds should not have reopened, since they were already healed.

X2: The X-Gene being carried by the father.

All genetic diseases that are linked to the sex chromosomes occur in people because of their mother's genetics. If it was the father that carried the gene, then only males would be mutant, since it would be the Y-chromosome that would carry the gene if the father was responsible for the offspring being a mutant.

X-Men: The Last Stand: The entire nature of the cure.

The cure would have to act on every mutant cell in the body of a mutant in order to function.

Yeah. The prison break was amazing. The climax was anti-climactic.

Shen had this air about him. He was serious, he was angry, he wasn't tragic. Shen did everything right and hit every point for me. I loved him.

I thought the Mutant Gene being carried by the father was just a joke line (Where would Wolverine learn it and why would he care, otherwise?)

And the nature of the cure was implausible from the start, but it's not something I decry. It's a plot device that makes no sense from any perspective (Such as any mutant with a physically different anatomy, such as Angel's wings or Nightcrawler's tail), and how quickly it takes effect (When Beast put his hand near Leech, his fur and claws instantly vanish, and then regrow in mere moments when he backs away. That scene alone makes no sense whatsoever).

Actually, it was Pyro who said it, but whatever.

Yeah, I know. I was bothered by that scene, too, but I grouped that in with the cure.

Oh my god! I just got back from seeing Clockwork Orange at the Alamo Drafthouse and I am not sure if it was because of the big screen or the source, but the movie looked brighter, crisper, and cleaner than even the god damn 40th anniversary Blu-Ray I own. Not to mention there are things I noticed in the background and stuff I had never noticed before. It was great.

The food was a bit pricey though, as we spent $43 for our meal, but just seeing this movie in theaters was well worth it. I want to go back for older movies, but we won't always go there to eat dinner.

It's been a while since I've seen X2. Sue me :lol

And yeah, that's why I let the cure slide. Everything about it makes no sense, from how quick it takes effect, to how the mutant themselves regain their powers moments after the exposure has ended, to blah blah blah.
The 3rd movie was a mess, anyway.

I love and admire the X-Men films, long before that subpar film beginning with A which I will not mention came along, they took a team of a superheroes and built their interesting dynamics and relationships, and their epic battles on screen. It's kinda sad that as the years went on the fandom at large grew more and more hateful toward the franchise, I still think they hold up very well.

I really see no problem with the cure making no sense. If a mutation can give you fully functional retractable claws, the ability to remove other peoples abilites for your own use, frickin laser beams coming out your eyes or weather manipulation even though hereditary mutation doesn't work that way and yet no one cares about the science behind it, I can forgive a MacGuffin's inconsistencies! :lol

But seriously, Beast's powers are the most realistic when it comes to real hereditary mutations, even if his fur is blue. :lol

I actually liked First Class, unless you're talking about Origins :lol

Anyway, I still enjoy X2, it's a fun movie. The problem was that they were well aware of Wolverine's popularity, so they made the movies about him, even when he wasn't part of the plot or originally a bit player in the original story.
I like Wolverine as much as the next guy, but the more interesting stories concerning Nightcrawler and Angel and his father were put on the sidelines to have 2 more Wolverine films disguised as X-Men films, and that's where my anger with the film series stems from.

It's really the speed of both the antidote (Beast's hand immediately loses it's fur and claws when in the vicinity of Leech, who the antidote is derived from), and the mutation (Beast immediately grows the fur back mere seconds later once pulled away from Leech). It's confusing, and makes things more confusing if Magneto's declarations of "Homo Superior" are true and mutants are actually a subspecies, not just a mutation.
But that's getting too scientific.
Why didn't we get the Morlocks in the movies?

That is probably the first and only decent criticism I've seen of the franchise. Well done, you.

Just watched the Iron Giant and teared up at the end like I always do. Such a fantastic film.

The things I'd give for a Super Robot Chogokin style figure.

I aim to please.

That'd be a cool figure to have.
I'd also like to get a figure of it in it's attack mode, just because I like the design.

This. This. A thousand times this. When Origins: Wolverine first came out, I was like "Oh, so they're making origin movies for a good bunch of the X-Men. I'm down with that."

Then not even every other X-Men had their "origins" just lumped together between First Class and, of course, Wolverine's own Origins movie.

This wouldn't even bother me so much if this was a franchise that wasn't the damn X-Men. Avengers gave all of it's members several movies because the Avengers, above all else, were meant to be solitary. They didn't start as The Avengers, they started as Captain America, Iron Man, etc. But the X-Men are supposed to be a team, and when you give one member more movies than Thor(I know he has a sequel coming, but it isn't out yet, so eh), and skip out on all the other characters, well, that just grinds my gears.

And then they pointlessly and awkwardly force Jean into the Wolverine for no reason...

Not surprised in the least.

I just spent all those scenes wondering when, or if, she would fall out of her top.

... I actually liked X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I felt they did a really nice job of tying the movie in with the rest of them, minus a few hiccups here and there. "The Deadpool" was stupid, though.

First Class is easily the best of the X-Men movies.

I actually disliked First Class the more I watched it, it was like with each watch the cracks from the movies troubled production seemed to grow. I mean it's still a good movie, certainly better than Origins and The Wolverine, but I still don't think it's as good as the core three.

Core 3? I hope you don't mean The Last Stand becuase that movie is as good as Batman & Robin.

I love The Last Stand, the action is absolutely epic and the general plot is no more full of holes, contradictions and inconsistencies than the very X-Men concept itself. I dunno why people have such a problem with this film.

The plot isn't the problem because there isn't any plot. It is all action with Michael Bay Orgasions and they threw as many mutants into the movie as possible even if they did not even resemble their comic counterpart (like Omega Red and Psylocke).

That didn't stop people gargling A who will not be named.

Honestly I accept most criticisms of the franchise, even though I love it, but A who will not be named always rubs me the wrong way because it was basically entirely made up of every criticism of the X-Men Franchise and The Transformers franchise yet it got rave reviews. Fucking sheep.

I feel like a complete idiot because I don't know what "A who will not be named" is :lol

Anyway, a complaint with The Last Stand that I can completely understand is the naming. Kid Omega showing up and resembling nothing of his comic counterpart (With his powers being those of Quill's)? Psylocke's telekinesis and telepathy changed to being able to move from the shadows?...Arclight?
With the ridiculous amounts of non-Wolverine characters in the X-Men franchise, this one appearance was likely their one chance to make an impact, and they were turned into either targets for Wolverine to kill to show how badass he is, targets for Jean to kill to show how strong she is, or targets for the military to kill to show how much business they mean.

You are not the only one :lol

Honestly the X-Men movies aren't bad, they may pale in comparison to some of marvel recent offerings, but overall they stand in their own for the biggest part.

At least I prefer them to Raimi's Spidey.

I prefer the X-Men trilogy to Raimi's Spidey trilogy, too.
Granted, after sitting down and rewatching the entire Spidey trilogy, I'm actually quite offended at myself for actually liking that crap.

I don't care how Pete is portrayed now. Amazing Spider-Man all the way.

*High-Five*

I didn't even like the Raimi trilogy as a kid, I just watched them because it was freaking Spidey

Amazing however I completely loved, the way Peter moves, talks and fights is flawless, and Emma Stone looks perfect as Gwen.

Plus the lizard has always been my favorite Spider-man villain.

I like the first Raimi movie, the second is not bad, and there is no third one.

However, right now, I liked TASM a whole lot better. Of course, if one of the sequels sucks, the entire movie series is ruined.

BTW, Locke is talking about Michael Bay.

A who will not be named is Avengers, as Matrix told me off for bringing it up in the past but it's my favourite example of a shit film powered by the hype machine. Suffering all the criticisms that people slap on much much better films, without bringing anything new or interesting to the table, yet still being raved about.

I LOVE the first Raimi Spidey film, I thought the second one sucked and the third one went great with popcorn. Amazing probably comes second place for me after Raimi's first go.

I hated all three of those Spider-Man movies. Toby McGuire was the wrong choice for Peter, Kirsten Dunst was a pisspoor Mary Jane Watson/Parker, the storytelling was WTF, and I won't even get into the frothing nerdrage that Christopher Grace has Venom brings out in me. No, his name is Christopher. I refuse to call him that idiot shortened name he calls him himself. Your name is Chris, deal with it.
They could've done it so much better. Even kept the same villians through it all. Allow me to explain.

Spider-Man. Introduce him, the powers, Uncle Ben dying, all of that goodness that belongs with Spidey. But his first act as a hero is saving Jonah's astronaut son from his crashed Space Shuttle, introducing him to the world. Unknown to him though during his rescue, when he fell into the river, he didn't come back to the surface covered in Hudsun Rover sludge... Now, before the big fight with Goblin (Because William Dafoe as Goblin was one of the choices I loved in that movie) the Black Suit takes him over completely. He's blamed for Osborne's death as Harry stumbles in on the fight, sets up the next movie.
Spider-Man 2. A Year or So after Spider-Man, Peter is working at the same Pizza Place. While freelancing for Jonah and trying to juggle College. But he's having nightmares brought on by the Symbiote. So he goes to see Curt. Curt sends up to the best Scientest he knows... Otto. And keep Mulina. Again, I loved that casting choice. I love Alfred. While researching the suit it tries to escape, breaks his equitment fusing him to his manipulater rig and killing his wife in the process... BOOM Doc Ock. Now Peter, during this time, finds he's been replaced by a full-time photog going by the name of Eddie. And it needs to be a real Eddie Brock. Big, Fade Hair Cut, Musculed. So he decides to start taking pics of himself as Spidey to show him up, takes his full-time gig, and pissed ole Eddie off. During the final battle with Ock, Peter stops himself before the suit can slaughter Otto and runs away to a nearby church. Where Eddie is waiting as he knows Spidey goes to the roof often to think, and waits to get his own chance of taking pics of Spidey to show up Peter. But he sees something through that telephoto lens.. Peter is Spidey! Peter breaks free of the Suit using the church bell, because that is iconic, just as Eddie reaches the belltower to try and get some up close shots as the final proof and the final nail in Peter's career coffin. But as he climbs the stairs the symbiote drips on him.. The final scene of the movie is Spidey escaping, and Venom being born.
Spider-Man 3. Venom is out to ruin Peter. He turns in the photos proving Peter is Spidey creating a citywide manhunt, as Spidey is still wanted for the death of Osborne. He ruins his relationship with Mary Jane since peter never told her who he was. Basically he destroys his entire life, much like the comics. But Peter finds himself through all the despair, dons the suit once again, knowing he has no choice. Even if he's arrested or killed... he has to stop Venom. And that brings about the final climactic battle! Venom. Spider-Man. Like we were promised. Venom has the upperhand, but Spider-Man has the brains. He tricks Venom into a turbine testing area and clicks it on ripping the suit away and burning it in the turbine. Destroying it forever. All is well. Brock is arrested, Peter is cleared, the city adores their savoir. ... But the last scene sets up a movie I wished happened. The scene is a dark alley, a disgusting black sac hangs from behind a dumpster just as a seriel killer ducks beside it to escape the cops hunting him down... But the sac breaks. A red ooze slips from inside.. covering this killer. This Cletus Cassidy! And the last scene is the symbiuote covering his face, and that twisted red and black grin... Right before the screen fades to black and we hear him murder the cops.

I'd give a kidney to see that shit.

Now onto why I was posting in the first place. The Fifth Element came on Starz again tonight and it has to be one of the most under-rated Sci-Fi movies ever. I don't know why it wasn't more popular honestly. Oldman's villian, Bruce Willis, Milla! Even Tricky was good, and I don't like Tricky. Still hoping they make a sequel.

I used to love the Raimi Spider-Man films, but since seeing ASM the main things I take away from them is:

- Willem Dafoe being fanatastic
- James Franco
- Aunt May wailing "taaaake the money"
- How many times Alfred Molina can say "precious tritium"
- Emo-Spidey being hilarious
- "How's the pie?" "So good." :lol

Uh... Avengers was a fantastic movie. Sure, it is not as good as Dredd, but it was surprisingly better than The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man. The reason Avengers is great is because it is a super hero team movie done right with a decent plot and character development. You never get character development in team up movies, so it was nice to see some.

:eyebrow Those words go together like that? ASM and DKR were so much better than the Avengers. See, they had plot. Avengers was a two hour toy ad.

Amazing swings either way with me (no pun intended). TDKR was nowhere near as good as the Avengers.

That was nice :lol

Nossan I could kiss you! Someone else in this world is speaking sense!

The Avengers was a poorly shot, poorly directed Michael Bay film with Superheroes in it. The final action sequence was just tacked on and gratuitously long, it had basically no plot beyond 'lol plot device' and that would have been fine but none of the character focus was even interesting. This movie suuuuucks. And like I say it angers me because Man of Steel for example was basically the Avengers, minus the team but with an actual story and everyone calls that movie 'dumb' or 'gratuitous', then why the fuck does Avengers get a free pass? Is it because there was so little to the film that it is impossible to criticise? Because you should criticise that the film was a paper thin toy commercial, it sucked.

If you really want to :lol


That's exactly what Avengers was. Transformers. Just replace Optimus Prime with Captain America. Meanwhile Dark Knight, while long, had an excellent plot. I did not see that twist happening in the end with Bane. And Amazing Spider-Man completely washed away the bad taste Sam Raimi left with his trilogy.

Plot > Explosions

Well, I watched Tumbling Doll of Flesh last night.

Well, there's your problem.
You instantly assume that, because you didn't like it, no one liked it, but everyone is choosing to let it slide. Your statements make it seem like you can't comprehend why anyone could like the Avengers just because you didn't.

Superman is an archetypal story that's been mimicked and parodied to death. The primary criticism I've read concerning Man of Steel (Outside of the massive property damage) is that it's another origin, and considering most people knew Superman's origin before they could walk, it's valid.

Anyway, Avengers has it's own flaws and issues. No one is saying it doesn't and no one is denying it. However, you're assuming that, because it shares flaws with other "Popular to hate" movies, it means we have to either put up or shut up, despite films like Bay's Transformers having more glaring and jarring flaws that people loathed, not just "This one part was inconsistent with this other part."

If you compare the Avengers to the Transformers in complete seriousness, it's hard to take your statements seriously because they're different in almost every respect, the only real similarity being "They're action films."