All this talk about Squid Game reminds me that we already have a toku Squid Game:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/...5NTA@._V1_.jpg

I don't even watch Squid Game...

I've seen clips of it and was almost a bit disappointed that it didn't actually involve octopi!

But I'm guessing it's fairly overrated seeing as these so-called ''breakthrough'' things are usually of variable quality .e.g. I'd rather BTS be popular here than Gangnam Style, for example, and generally I find that most of what's popular any time, any place is usually rubbish, so you can't really say it's better than other K-dramas or better than tokusatsu just because it's popular. I don't know why I keep replying really but please bear in mind that we don't know what's going on in people's real lives, for example having autism in one country or place might be a different situation to another.

Of course, will be great to the fandom.

I... what? BTS has been massively popular here for YEARS and Gangham Style hasn't been relevant in almost a decade. So you're saying you want... exactly what is happening.

Squid Game might not be this massive game-changing thing like some people think it is, but it is a VERY good show and is worthy of the attention it's getting. It absolutely is objectively better than almost every toku; the production design, acting, consideration of the plot and characters, all that stuff is objectively better than any tokusatsu. That's not down to opinion. Whether you personally like it better or not is completely subjective, but on an actual production value it outclasses any toku in every single way without question. Popularity has nothing to do with it.

...BTS is one of the most popular bands in the world right now.

And to assume it's overrated or "rubbish" because it's popular is super dismissive and nonsensical, especially if you haven't seen it.

And it is better than a majority of toku, not because it's popular, because it's writing and production value outclass most toku.

I was just saying that it was good that BTS are setting a better example of Korean music to your average person where I live than Gangnam Style, which in Cornwall a lot of people are still going to remember! Plus what is 'objective' quality of some little internet television programme, and how important really is that in the grand scheme of issues facing the world today? You are going to want a tokusatsu forum to back tokusatsu, considering some people in the past have seemed to claim to be tokusatsu fans while hating everything you would ask them about!

No one said TV production quality is some grand issue in the world. But we're on a forum dedicated to silly children's shows, not world issues.

And we're not asking people to "not back tokusatsu", whatever the hell that means, we are simply saying that from a production standpoint, other shows are better than it.

Yea, as much as I like toku, there are plenty of shows and movies that have bigger budgets for better effects than some toku shows.

I also want this weirdo to acknowledge one other thing.

Kamen Rider Amazons, the most adult and mainstream of any Kamen Rider series, is available on Amazon Prime. It never even reached being mentioned in the mainstream. But according to your logic, it should be super popular like Squid Game. What's up with that?

I think that was technically not a worldwide release. But children's programming is arguably a more important genre for television in the grand scheme of things than something I'm not sure if kids are even allowed to watch and so comparing toku which is largely family viewing to Squid Game is admittedly flawed, I mean I would have thought that the average person would look back on with more fondness for something they watched when they were 10 than something they watched in their 20s, and so although when you're a teenager or young adult, adult TV might seem more ''grown up'', at the end of the day the BBC would be nowhere without things like Blue Peter or Doctor Who!

Maybe if Kamen Rider Amazons was Korean or Taiwanese, then maybe it would get more attention (I've heard of people accusing Korea of overshadowing Japanese stuff) but then again Legend Hero is a Korean toku yet it didn't attract K-drama audiences in the west. So as I said, I don't know why toku aren't getting the same type of love a fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas are getting these days.

Also the fact that Kamen Rider Amazons came out in 2016, but didn't get a subtitled release on Amazon Prime in the US until 2018 and the lack of publicity probably is the reason why it didn't get the same attention like Squid Game got.

If you're going to bring up Kamen Rider Amazons on Prime Video, then maybe I should bring up Netflix's Alice in Borderland, which came out a year before Squid Game and had a similar plot like Squid Game. Again:

Why did Alice in Borderland on Netflix not get the same mainstream attention when it came out on Netflix last year despite the plot being similar to Squid Game?

If Alice in Borderland was a Korean-language Netflix drama rather then Japanese, would that have gotten more spotlight because of the K-drama popularity?

Again, there's accusation from fans of Japanese pop culture saying that if these Japanese dramas/toku had been speaking in Korean, then the US media would be giving them more attention in a way missing white women get.

If you're asking about why did Kamen Rider Amazons on Prime Video didn't get the same attention like Squid Game got, then I'm going to drag Alice in Borderland into this too.

Also, a person on Twitter (this tweet was shared by Jake Adelstein, a famous US reporter who specialize in Japan) shared on Twitter about how Squid Game's global success in the US and outside of Asia has made some Japanese upset and probably jealous. Now I don't have an article that can validate this tweet or this fact, but then again when Parasite became the first Korean film to win best picture at the Oscar last year, Japanese folks & filmmakers were not happy with it.

I hate to say this again and again: but it's not subtitle that is turning off people in the US and in the west from watching tokusatsu, it's something else. Probably the stereotype of toku being made for kids/youth audience (which I don't dispute). I don't know, but Legend Hero didn't seem to get K-drama fans to watch the show despite the sci-fi/fantasy K-dramas that is starting to come out for the last few years. I can back this up because this Variety article seem to confirmed what maybe some of toku fans that watched foreign-language TV dramas have long suspected:

Variety article: 'Acapulco’ Shows the Power of Multilingual Programming and Growing Subtitle Acceptance Among U.S. Viewers

Mashable article: Subtitles are the future. Sorry, caption haters

So clearly subtitles is not the one turning off people from tokusatsu.

don't worry, everyone else hates that you're saying this again and again, too

go away bro

Here we go again.

*grabs popcorn*

I'm surprised this thread isn't already locked yet.

Yo, mods, you wanna uh, do something?

Stop resurrecting this thread, all you're doing is screaming into the void now.

Just what the heck is this thread lol. And I gotta wonder what the original poster macblo thinks of all of this.

I think there someting wrong with mdo7