It is a good comparison actually. You originally said the purpose of an all-female team is to break the stereotype that all superheroes are male. It's an outdated mindset. No one thinks all superheroes are male unless you are living in the 1950's. Similar to women with the kitchen jokes, which is a far more popular mindset than male chefs.

Didn't Sun Vulcan have good ratings though? Again, with the ratings good, it didn't hurt the sales. It's just a few vocal feminists disliking one aspect of the show.

And well, I already explained why an all-male team wouldn't hurt. You may want to read the posts before? An all-female team may or may not hurt Sentai. I won't mind if they'll try it out. I personally won't watch it because it's not my type. Heck, they could do an all-male team then an all-female team afterwards.

I didn't. I agreed with one part of your post and disagreed on another. Why do you think starting with mixed sex should continue mixed sex though? GoRanger started without mecha, should it be no mecha every season?
Also, Ghost Busters rebooted to all-female. It was an all-male team before. Thor comics was male before but female now. Do you think these shows should stay the same?

It takes that away for one season. What is the sales figure for Yellow/Pink compared to Red/Blue/Green/Black by the way? The fact that Sun Vulcan exists and the season thrived means your argument is still just a theory.

Yes because "women in the kitchen jokes" (which IS a completely outdated mindset) is exactly the same as what you originally said, which was "a show about an all-male team of chefs to break the stereotype of cooking is for women". To which I replied that pretty much all the top chefs in the world are men.

And okay not everyone thinks that all superheroes should be male, but you clearly think they all should be in Super Sentai.

No. Stop saying everyone who has an issue with an all-male team is "just a few vocal feminists". That stops now.

The best part about this is that YOU HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED SUN VULCAN. You're crying out for an all-male Sentai team when you've had one, yet you aren't making any effort to watch it and SEE what an all-male Sentai team is like.

That's always kinda been the case. Men have been more professional cooks with their signature white clothes and tall distinct hats while women usually cooked domestically, sans schools of course because it's always lunchladies for some reason. Of course you have outliers with stay at home dads now cooking dinner (or working dads cooking dinner for their wives out of love) or women like Rachel Ray, Paula Deen and Julia Child to name the most well known ones, but that's why insinuating women are inherently cooks is sexist, the domestic Vs business sphere of cooking.

I'm aware of that, but that wasn't the point he was initially trying to make.

Liam, I would appreciate it if you stop taking only part of the context of posts to reply to.

What I said was

Calling my statement "a theory" is horribly misguided. Revenue is something that companies thrive on and taking away part of their consumer quota hurts a company. And you keep using Sun Vulcan as an example. A show that is well past its prime. One series compared to 39 others that contained male and female team members. You can use the argument that Sun Vulcan had one of the highest ratings of its time but again, OF ITS TIME. Don't you know how merchandise sales work anyway? Child sees something on tv, they want it, company makes the toy, toys are sold. Sentai being a show FOR ALL KIDS tries to make as much merch as they can possible to sell for all their fans. If they can't put out the items for normal retail, they release via premium Bandai.

Did you even read what I said afterwards? About a compromise? No you didn't. Otherwise you would've actually had something to say about it. Instead of taking it out all together.

And one last thing. The username is KamenRiderOOO If you're gonna keep taking pieces of quotes to reply to, actually use the quote button and then edit the parts out that you wanna respond to. Thank you.

Sun Vulcan was popular at the time because it had some really cool ideas and people were excited for Sentai in general back then.

It didn't age too well though and the problem is not that the team is all male, but that most of the characters are pretty poorly written. Vul Eagle II and Vul Shark are cool, but not very deep. Vul Eagle I is kinda meh. But Vul Panther... urgh.
The side cast wasn't too exciting to.

The characters' gender shouldn't matter as long as they're well-written. Which doesn't apply to Sun Vulcan. I still thing it's good they usually have mixed-teams, because it's more fun to watch. You can variate plots more and playing with how the characters interact is a nice touch. I don't need another team of just one gender, but if they make it awesome, then yay.

Great point Suzu :-). What matters is how the characters are written. With proper chemistry and traits the audience can identify with, that's a factor for a shows success as well :-)

Which is why ZyuOhger is doing well. Yamato and the Zyumen have great chemistry and personalities. Save Tusk, but most people think he's the flattest ZyuOhger.

^ Most people in the international fandom, yes. The japanese fandom seems to like him even if Sela and Leo are the most popular so far. One more reason to love the japanese fandom, they have good tastes and they can tell the difference between a boring character and a good/decent played by a meh actor :p

Oh and Liam, i'm not a feminist but i still hate the idea of an all-male cast when Sentai is for kids in general... And i doubt the male fans who love female characters and think their great and well written if they're hot and cute are "feminist"...

...so we're getting into one of those discussions again, I see.

This discussion has been going on for, like, a week :lol
Granted, half of it takes place in another thread he made, but still :p

Okay, but I swear I've come across you guys talking about almost the exact same thing, though I think that time is was about an all-female cast and/or a pink male ranger.

It was just about a pink male ranger, from about 2 months ago~

I just think he's a bit flat because he doesn't resonate with me as much as the other 4. He's a straight man character, and usually those types bore me. They are necessary for contrast with crazier characters (see Tusk and Leo's episode with the plushies) and they are good humor springboards for humor (Tusk needing to smell people's footwear), but otherwise they just aren't interesting. It's like the inverse of Comic Relief, they are good at reacting to the world but on their own they're not interesting leads.

And I'd be lying if I said I didn't like green elephants. Thank you Jean de Brunhoff. :lol

And also the idea of there being a (very tokenly done) gay ranger.

By the way, Nōkaman, Sentai I created with a male Pink, female Green, and gay (male) Yellow. And, if I ever got around to writing it, I would make sure to actually write with characters in mind, not token "wouldn't it be neat if" archetypes.

You should catch up on the conversation over the 4 threads in the sentai forum that LiamLee has hijacked with his wicked sexism and selective understandings of our arguments.

What about Sela? She's a straight man to the others, too (Though she is generally used with Leo).

And man, I forgot there was also the discussion on having a gay ranger just for the sake of having one.

I think the discussion would be a lot more productive (And a hell of a lot less repetitive) if he didn't keep taking posts out of context (Going so far as to cut sentences in half to make it sound like others are siding with him) or straw manning with the idea of an all female team.

Aiight, I'm gonna do these in bullet points:

• Yes, you did. I hate to break it to you, but taking one part of the sentence, leaving out the part you didn't like, and acting as if I were agreeing with you is changing what I was trying to convey. I meant that it's fine if other shows targeted towards children want to have an all-male or all-female team, but I don't think it's right for Super Sentai.
  
  
• I already stated my personal reason for preferring a team with both sexes, but I will reiterate it for you. I personally think that this allows for more variety within the cast. Something that's nice to have in a franchise with a lot of repeating archetypes.
  
  
• I don't see how Goranger lacking a giant punching robot is at all relevant to this discussion, seeing as how I never said I was against every kind of change to the formula. Besides, they still have plenty of vehicles to suit my fancy.
  
  
  
• Since you seem so adamant about mentioning the new Ghostbusters and the female Thor, I'll tell you what I honestly think of them. They are shameless attempts by their companies to cater to this new wave of media-focused feminism. Speaking as somebody who is a Ghostbusters fan, I really wasn't fond of this attempt to "diversify" Ghostbusters. Particularly when it was done a lot better in "Extreme Ghostbusters" back in 1997.

She is, but I'd say she's more "Team Mom Straight Man" to Tusk's more general "Straight Man."

Plus Yamato never had to put Tusk on a leash. :lol

From what I understand, the show was really popular because it was a sequel to Denziman, the highest-rated Sentai. There was also a HUGE backlash to the idea of an all-male team, to the point where Toei have never tried it again. I'm not the authority on this area though, so I could be off.

I'm not sure how people would react to it today. However, with how you come across, I merely said that to see how you reacted to the idea of an all-female team. If you posted something similar to what you just said before, then I must have missed it - there's too many posts to thoroughly read everything.

Anyways, I personally wouldn't mind an all-gender team, either male or female - as long as the show itself is good. However, I don't really see the point, unless they're trying to appeal to a specific audience. They could give us The Expendables of toku, an adrenaline-filled explosion-fest. Or, depending what they're trying to do with the all-female cast, they could give us more stuff like either Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon or Sexy Rangers. Neither, however, would really work in terms of what Sentai is now. The one time they tried changing up the formula, Go-Busters, people kind of flipped. Every season since then seems to be playing it safe. I can't see Toei EVER trying to experiment with an all-gender team through Super Sentai - they wouldn't want to risk it.

I'm curious though. You keep mentioning Sun Vulcan, but it's not on your list of what you've seen on that other topic. Have you seen any of it?


As for Tusk, I generally enjoy his character, but only because of his interactions with the other characters. It's like a buddy cop film - the different personalities of the cops are enjoyable because of how they play off each other.

Actually, I have a question. First, I want to set the scene. So, I originally got into Sentai because I liked seeing the suits in motion. Then I stuck with it because I started to actually like it as a show. The plot never really stood out to me as being anything interesting though. Sure, there'd be plot, but for the most part, most of the episodes are kind of the same thing - one of the members goes through some sort of situation, a monster shows up, that member resolves their situation and leads the team to beat the monster, then the monster grows and they use a big robot to finally destroy it. There's not a whole lot of variation on that formula, at least from what I've seen.

Then I decided to watch Kamen Rider Ghost, and it completely hooked me. After I caught up, I started watching Drive, which I also love. Yet people say that those are both meh seasons? After starting those two Rider series, any Sentai I've seen has been pretty plain in comparison.

Which leads me to my question (which might be better off in the KR section, but whatever). Why do people consider something like Ghost or Drive boring, when there's so much more going on than in Sentai?

I can't really comment about Drive because I enjoyed it throughout, but Ghost's problem is often that there's TOO much going on. Since the very first episode that show has been throwing everything it had at the wall to see what stuck, and only now does it feel like it's playing catch up with the story. The only problem is it doesn't have that cast to support that story, because it was too busy with gimmicks and Eyecons at the beginning where it really counted. That's my two cents anyway.

With Sentai you have to remember that while Zyuohger is certainly good, people are enjoying it more because it's coming off the back off an unpopular (in the Western fan base) show. Multiple shows in some cases, since ToQger had its fair share of critics as well.

I think it's a case of comparing apples to oranges here.
People aren't comparing Ghost to Zyuohger, but rather, Ghost to other Kamen Rider series.
I'm glad you got into KR, because there's so much to love. Once you go back and start watching shows like Gaim, OOO, Double, or Den-O, you might see why Ghost is falling flat with some people (Keyword being might).

Also Drive caught on with a lot of people around the early 20's, from what I heard.

Sentai is a bit different, because it kind of adheres to a formula, so it's not shaking things up that people enjoy (Which is why I'm surprised Go-Busters didn't catch on with the Western audience)

Glad I'm not the only one who enjoyed Drive from the get go.

I'm currently watching Fur Affinity Rangers, and while I'm enjoying it and it's fun, I can tell Sentai is the inferior franchise (in my personal case) when it comes to all the toku series I watch. However, in terms of being able to sit down and watch the show, it stomps on Ghost hard. I still don't know how I made it to episode 30 of Ghost.

1. I kind of figured that was the case, but still. I thought Ghost was way more interesting than Jetman, which is generally considered one of the best. Maybe I'll have to watch some of the more well-received recent series (Gekiranger...I swear I'll get to it some day) to make a more accurate comparison, but still.

2. Drive is much more focused than Ghost, and even with Drive I can tell there's a lot of room for improvement. So I already can see it (though I still enjoy both)

3. I guess the formula has just gotten repetitive for me. Maybe I don't actually enjoy it after all? I started off watching Sentai for PR nostalgia, and then I kept watching it because Toku. Now that I got into KR, which I actually enjoy for what it is, Sentai doesn't really have any appeal for me anymore? I guess we'll just have to see as time goes on. I still need to watch a couple of Sentai series (mainly Gekiranger, Abaranger, Carranger, and the rest of Liveman)

I loved Drive from the beginning as well. In fact, I think I enjoy MOTW episodes with KR, while in Sentai it kind of feels like a drag to me. Maybe it's just because I enjoy the two-part formula?

I'm not gonna lie, Ghost quickly lost my interest once I caught up and had to wait for new episodes, but when I was in the process of catching up, I was completely addicted. I sped through what was available incredibly fast. I think I'm going to wait for it to get a bit further before I catch up again, so I can watch it in chunks.

I wouldn't say Sentai is inferior at all. Kamen Rider and Sentai are just aimed at different crowds and thus will do different things. Doesn't necessarily mean one is intrinsically better than the other.

Jetman is a pretty good show but it does suffer from having episodes that are disconnected from the story at hand. When people call Jetman a great show, they're probably talking about the love triangle, Gai as a character, and Tranza more than the day to day episodes.

Did you not read my post? I stated, in my personal tastes, it's the inferior franchise.

Yeah and, like, I'm commenting on that? It's the nature of a message board.

Well then clearly you don't have any reading comprehension.

I think you may like Kamen Rider more these days because you're less familiar with its tropes than you are with Sentai's. It's a fresher concept for you, so you're enthralled with all the new weirdness Rider has to offer.

I think a lot of criticism of Drive and Ghost stems from both shows being very conventional as far as Rider series go -- there aren't a lot of twists or subversions or surprises that make these shows exciting for many longterm fans. Once you watch a few more Rider shows, you'll start to pick up on the franchise's repeated tropes, and you'll probably begin to see why many get frustrated with these two shows in particular.

As a Sentai fan first, I remember discovering Kamen Rider. The first shows I watched -- OOOs, Fourze, and Kiva -- blew my brain to bits, and I began to think Kamen Rider was the franchise that made my toku heart the happiest. Cut to a few years later, and I have a bunch more series under my belt. I'm way more desensitized to Rider's tropes. As such, I've gravitated back to my first toku love: Sentai.

Does his comment really warrant insults? Despite the caveats you imbedded in your post, it did seem like you were being pretty ironclad in your determination of each franchise's quality. So I can see where Aoi was coming from. Besides, his comment is pretty innocuous and ultimately you're on the same page, so there's no reason to be rude.

I dunno, I think both franchises are pretty cool, even if the more recent shows in either one of them don't appeal to me a lot of the time.

It's a discussion. You made a comment stating your opinion, somebody else commented on your opinion. That's kind of how forums work :P

Could be. I've already noticed a lot of similarities between Ghost and Drive. However, I find the two-part episode structure allows for more interesting MOTW stories, and there's a lot more variety episode-to-episode in KR than there is in Sentai, which for the most part, is basically the same every episode.

I fully am aware that my initial "oh my god Kamen Rider is the best thing ever" high will end, but looking past that I still already feel like KR has much more to offer.


Anyways, so what I'm gathering is that people are disappointed with Ghost and Drive more due to their context within the series?

Thank you Captain Obvious, I'm forever in your debt.

Bottom line is, my personal views on what is inferior and superior shouldn't bother others, but clearly it does. And that's hilarious.

What the fuck are you talking about?
Someone said they disagreed with your opinion and explained why, you insult them. Someone else said discussion is the nature of a forum, and you insult them.
No one is really bothered. You're just being unruly.

Okay, that's enough you guys. Let's get back on the topic of this thread- asking questions about Sentai.

Going by that second sentence, you really do need somebody to point the obvious out to you.

And, frankly, you getting all accusatory because somebody responded with your opinion with a dissenting opinion is far funnier.

Edit: Didn't see the post from KamenRiderOOO until after I made this post. I'll drop it.

Now Zaragon, I said let's move on, okay?

Here's a question, why was there that period between Car an Time where there were English versions of the Theme songs, several of which done by some girl named Mickey?

Sorry, I didn't see your post until after I had made that one.

I always just assumed it's because English was cool and it would sell a few more soundtracks. It'd explain why other tokusatsu themes inexplicably have English versions too.

I know but why just up to Timeranger? Also who was Mickey?