All of this. At least, The Room is a pure stand-alone movie that takes place in its own little universe.

Last I checked, saying "Star Wars was killed by the prequels" was objectively wrong, considering it's still around, especially when you're acknowledging the popularity of Clone Wars right there. Just because you think it, doesn't make it "obvious". And George Lucas has been "milking" it since it began, there's a reason he took a cut of merchandise sales back from Star Wars. It's one of the reasons people saying Disney are making films "for the money" just makes me laugh - Star Wars has always been about making big toy bucks.

Ah yes, a piss poor film... with 91% on Rotten Tomatoes, 7.1 on Imdb, greatly enjoyed by many people that aren't you. Seems legit. And if you really think it adds nothing to the franchise, you obviously missed all the stuff with the Jedi backstory, or the evolution of Luke's character. Not to mention all the sequel characters who the movie's actually about.

Look, you can hate TLJ all you want, fine, for whatever reasons. But saying it killed Star Wars is just whining that because you didn't like it, no-one else is allowed to and anything else they make is just "money grabbing".

Not at first. George Lucas expected it to flop. He only got toy sales because Fox also expected it to flop so George was like why not keep the toy rights if Fox doesn't want them? And about killing franchises, just because something is still around doesn't mean it's a thriving entity. For example Voltron never truly went away. It's had many different toy and series incarnation from the original Japanese anime GoLion and Dairugger to it's most recent incarnation on Netflix. Its toy license has hopped around from Bandai to Mattel to Playmates. It peaked in 1984-1985 and quickly became overshaddowed by Transformers and later Power Rangers. It's effectively a dead franchise. Other examples include The Jetsons and The Flintstones. Two well known Hanna-Barbara properties (now owned by Warner Bros.) that have never left the public eye but are nevertheless dead franchises that don't appear anywhere in entertainment besides niche projects. Star Wars in terms of a narrative died with Attack of the Clones. The films financially have diminished since Solo. Toy sales are also down. If Disney doesn't do something the franchise could face obscurity. That's what death of a franchise means. It doesn't mean it disappears. It means it stops being a cash cow, so merchandising diminishes.



44% audience score. If the film in a franchise doesn't connect with audience then it fails to add to the franchise. Narratively it did nothing either.


I never said TLJ killed Star Wars. Again look at the first paragraph of this response to you. Again I state you are speaking purely based on emotions.

Yes because absolutely everyone who ever sees a movie immediately gets online and gives it a score.

Over a billion with a "B" dollars worldwide gross revenue though... yeah that's a clear indication it didn't connect with audiences.

(Also the only movie since Solo was Solo and they made the extremely stupid decision to release right after TLJ - which was still showing in a good number of theaters- and right up against Infinity War so that *may* have something to do with Solo's underperfomance, but that's just me.)

Cope.

People wanted to see the follow up to Force Awakens. It naturally was going to make a ton of money. That doesn’t mean it would be well received. The Transformers films makes money hand over fist yet gets terrible critic and audience reception. But there was one too many bad films in the franchise and people stopped caring. Same could happen to Star Wars.

Exactly.

I am thoroughly convinced that most children today think the Flintstones have only ever been cereal mascots like Tony the Tiger or Lucky the Leprechaun.

*Sees Mandalorian trailer*
Congratulations Mr. Mandalorian you now have my money. That said, unleash thy merch. :lolol

You may not, but others have, *plus* you seem to think Star Wars is somehow already dead. But go ahead, continue thinking you've destroyed me with "facts" and "logic".

Flintstones and Jetsons are nowhere near on the scale of Star Wars, it's a moot comparison. "In the public eye" is purely as something ancient. They're shows remembered mainly for nostalgia value, rather than having continuing relevence to the modern day. No-one under the age of about 40 treats the Flintstones as anything but quaint nostalgia (or maybe a Siivagunner joke or comic book) but Star Wars has always been popular. Same with Voltron, except it got brought back. Literally no-one my age was aware of Voltron except maybe mecha fans until the netflix show - even I only had a vague idea of what it was. I lived through the time you said Star Wars was "dead" as a teen, and I'm telling you that you're mistaken. Just because you don't like ROTS and the sequls, doesn't mean the films are narratively dead. Hell, I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

And if you really think Star Wars is going to head to obscurity... really? Ewan McGregor returning has gotten nothing but popular response, same with the Mandalorian. Cartoon fans are excited for Clone Wars Series 7. Star Wars toys are easily findable on toy shelves over here. The fact this threas is active again is proof of some popularity still existant (instad of it being full of people going "they're still making these, huh?) Again, just because you seem to dislike it doesn't mean it's dying. And as Tali said, TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars. That's not just "people wanted to see TFA2" money, because if it had sucked, people wouldn't have bothered seeing it (See Godzilla 2 for example).


Almost like certain groups of people are liable to spam something with dislikes if it features women and/or minorities. Plus, people are more likely to complain than praise on these websites.