Originally Posted by Deepsea (Post 780533)

And then he got cast in a the long ongoing toku series... ultraman. (though seeing an ultraman analog in a kamen rider show would be funny to me)

Originally Posted by DreamSword (Post 780535)

Kamen Rider J says hi.

Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 780538)

Well, he did end up becoming a Sentai Red. At least briefly.

Originally Posted by Deepsea (Post 780539)

Elaborate please if you have time.

Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 780537)

Like I mentioned way back at the beginning of the thread, Hibiki was the last Heisei Rider show I ended up watching while playing catch-up after getting into the franchise, and frankly, that very last scene is one I love, and it's always had a special place in my heart. The retooled section of this series, as Die has captured so wonderfully, was uneven, to say the least. Even as someone who maybe didn't totally appreciate everything Hibiki was doing, I could tell a lot of that spark and purpose was gone, and the show was struggling to find new footing. There were things I still enjoyed, but huge swathes of it were failing to really *grab* me.

But right at the end there, despite all the other horrible decisions the plotting makes, I thought they nailed the final statement on Hibiki as well as Takatera's crew possibly could have, and people who have seen me get in on disowing this part of the show with Switchblade should understand I don't say that causally.

Hibiki telling Asumu being an Oni isn't the only way to be his apprentice, that is the absolute core of what the series was about to me. I've always been staunchly against the idea of Asumu becoming one, because it would horribly undermine the entire point of his role as an audience surrogate. Apparently the original crew was open to going either way depending on where the story ended up naturally leading them, but I just can't imagine them landing anywhere else. Die talks about how Asumu grew up by leaving Hibiki behind, but what I'd add is that the joke "rediscovering your heroes as an adult" bit is arguably part of the text of the episode. I see that final scene as basically saying that Asumu's decision to try and essentially throw Hibiki away was no more the answer than blindly mimicking him was. It's merely another step in the journey, and that the real endpoint is realizing it's okay to keep carrying Hibiki in his heart, along with all the lessons he learned from him, because it really did mean something.

It's... I'm getting rambly and I don't think I'm doing a great job describing it, but it's the perfect note for the show to end on, in my opinion. It's a rough ride getting there, but I forgot about all the stupid monster stuff in this one eventually. I never, ever forgot seeing that chat between Hibiki and Asumu with the sun on the horizon with Shounen Yo playing, and finally feeling like I was watching Hibiki again.

Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die (Post 780543)

(Also, there was a point in the Episode 49 write-up where I was going to take shot at the first dozen episodes of Ghost, but I was like Man Don't Be Mean To Fish Like That. Consider it an early Christmas gift. Happy Holidays!)

Originally Posted by GrandComplete (Post 780545)

What the hell happened to the 4 oni's in the 2nd opening?

Originally Posted by DreamSword (Post 780535)

Speaking of urban legends, anyone know if this detail is true or not?

I recall reading somewhere that when they got Inoue to do the second half, all he had to work with for the longest time was the script of the very first episode.

No idea if that's actually true or not, but it'd certainly explain alot of things.

Originally Posted by GrandComplete (Post 780545)

Now that Die has finished the show there something I've been dying to ask ever since I first finished the show and haven't gotten an answer anywhere. What the hell happened to the 4 oni's in the 2nd opening? In the 2nd opening there a brief scene in which you see 11 Oni's standing together

https://i.redd.it/or0yzxs7z4z51.png


but only 7 actually showed up in the show. So what happned to the other 4? They made suits for these guys and even if they all share the same base body as Hibiki it couldn't be cheap. And wasn't Hibiki losing money at this point? So it's mind boggling they made 4 new suits and only use them for 1 second in the opening (Yes I timed it) and as far I'm aware were never used again in any other show, movie or stage show. So guys help me out here what happened to the other 4 and why did Toei even make them if Hibiki was already sinking ship at that point?

Originally Posted by Androzani84 (Post 780552)

I think that was the OOO section of Movie Wars Core. And it wasn’t even the whole script, just an incomplete first draft. I think the inconsistencies between the two halves are more due to the different producers and their styles (Taketera is someone who tries to plan things out ahead of time, while Shirakura basically admits he has his writers hold off on submitting ideas until it’s time to include them.