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Kamen Rider Die

11-14-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshToku (Post 780613)

Funny (also sad) to think what kind of ideas were floating around yet they settled for 'extended epilogue where the bad guys try to perform an evil experiment on hitomi'.

Yeah, man, I can't even conceive of a stupider final story. It's almost worthy of praise, it's so jarring and pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84 (Post 780616)

I’m in much the same boat as you. The second half does have its ups and its downs, but I wouldn’t call it objectively terrible. That tweet I quoted a while back? He later said that Hibiki had become his favourite Heisei Rider series (displacing Kuuga) partially because of it.

It's Not As Awful As Its Reputation is probably the best way I can distill the second phase into one thought.

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Originally Posted by Deepsea (Post 780617)

I just want to say this before the thread ends, but 38 and 39 were written by someone named Shōji Yonemura not Inoue. I'm not sure what circumstances lead to the episodes being so bad though. I don't have experience with his other writings. (He wrote Smile Precure though, so that's a thing)

Yeah, that came up. The basic problem with those episodes is that they feature a couple characters acting wildly out-of-character, and the story tries to do way too much. It's about four episodes worth of ideas done over two.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich (Post 780619)

There's a joking defense I like to make about the later part of Hibiki, which is that it's a lot better if you just pretend it's Inoue's Todoroki fan-fiction. I've been meaning to find some excuse to bring that up in here, and I guess you confirming for me I'm not just misremembering the (excessive?) amount of focus he gets is just that. It's not some particularly clever thing, but I love describing it that way because it straddles a fine line between sounding like genuine apologist talk ("you just need to adjust your expectations") and an outright condemnation ("it's about the quality you'd expect from your average fan-fic").

That ambiguity expresses my conflicted feelings on what happened to this show pretty much perfectly; I don't actually hate it anywhere near as much as I think a lot of people do, but even then, I wouldn't exactly say I'm fond of it on any significant level either. Except maybe those first two Inoue episodes, which, again, I legitimately mistook for part of the old era somehow.

There's a part of me that wonders if the show wouldn't have been... not better, but more successful in marrying the coming-of-age storytelling with the demands of the superhero genre if they'd made Todoroki the POV character for the whole series. He ends up going through a lot of the same tensions that Asumu does (confidence, independence, apprenticeship), but he's also an Oni, so he gets to apply those lessons directly to detonating a monster. I don't know that you'd get as much sweetness, but it'd probably make some of the writing easier.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger (Post 780622)

Y'know, the funny thing is that I remember being very disappointed by Hibiki's second half. After rewatching the show, I've re-evaluated my opinion to mildly disappointed. I've seen Inoue do better, he wrote my favorite show, but I've also seen him do worse. I can tell he was at least trying to do something here. Maybe it didn't totally work but the stuff that worked was worth watching for.

For sure. I think the ending especially landed the themes of the series, which is maybe enough to say that the second phase is worth experiencing.

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Originally Posted by GrandComplete (Post 780623)

The main reason Inoue and Shirakura were brought into the 2nd half was because Agito,Ryuki and Faiz were all critical and commercial success. The higher up probably were thinking along the lines of these guys made us alot a cash a couple of years ago let them have Hibiki in order to get our ratings and sponsers back. Without thinking about how there style of writing and producing clashed with Taketera style.

It's fun to think that Inoue took one look at the previous scripts and went But What If We Do More With The Kid Not Wanting To Be A Superhero Though.

Switchblade

11-14-2020 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Androzani84 (Post 780616)

By contrast, the next series, which is handled by the same writers and producer team as this second half, I’d put it in my top 5. I’ll go into why as you go through that watch along, but most of the time on that thread, I’ll be pointing out what past Rider every Rider in the show is a homage to and any (possible) similarities.

I'm looking forward to doing Kabuto next. It's a show I generally remember liking, but at some point my brain decided that I didn't need it in my long-term memory. I recall bits and pieces of it, but it's going to be a lot of stuff that I've completely forgotten.

Kurona

11-14-2020 04:53 PM

Kabuto is an experience. Which I think you're really really going to like.

Kamen Rider Die

11-14-2020 09:36 PM

THREAD END FOR KAMEN RIDER DIE

https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/hibiki/sendoffa.png

"Our work is done
We sucked the life out of every living thing
Oh under the sun
And our work is done"

-Superchunk, "Our Work Is Done"

And that's it for me and this thread! A super weird experience, but a fulfilling one.

Thanks, as always, to everyone who came along on this ride with me. Getting to hear the trivia, the memories, the insights, the frustration, the elation... it's a real gift to choose to share that with me (and others!), and it's something I treasure. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Normally, I've got a new Figuart to open when I've closed out a series, but WOW am I not the type of fan who's willing to pay the current aftermarket price for a Seihou Hibiki. Instead, I spent the afternoon building this guy, and I am not feeling bad about that alternative:

https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/hibiki/hibikifr.jpg

It's this year's Figure-Rise Hibiki, and he's a pretty fun build. Some of the stickers are a pain in the ass (the ones around his wrists and ankles are poorly designed), but I like him a lot. A worthy addition to my little trophy shelf.

Oh! And how about a Word Cloud?

https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/...kiwordart.jpeg

Sure to be a few random phrases that can sum up our feelings about Hibiki. "Plot Need Love" fairly leaps out at you, right?

Other than that, I'm gonna make myself scarce for a bit. Decompression sounds like a real treat. I'll pop into this thread when I've got something to say, but don't be surprised if it's more radio silence than usual for the next couple weeks.

Unless something weird happens, expect to see "Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Kabuto" land on these boards on December 3rd. Until then, I hope you're able to live your life the way you want!

Thanks!

https://kamenriderdie.com/images/kr/hibiki/sendoffb.png

Kurona

11-14-2020 09:39 PM

"STORY EPISODE FEEL" sounds about right to me!

DreamSword

11-14-2020 09:49 PM

Grats on finishing Hibiki, Die. Take a well deserved rest.

Fish Sandwich

11-14-2020 11:17 PM

"First Look Here" right in the center sounds weirdly like an instruction on how these pictures work.

"Still Care; Nice, Mostly" is maybe where Die's opinion on the retool ended up.

"Great Man" and "Real Kid" combine to encapsulate the show pretty well, if you ask me.

Maybe don't ask me, though. I have very weird opinions about Kamen Rider. But hey, that's all part of the fun around here, isn't it? This was a blast as always, Die. Enjoy the time off!

catwhowalks

11-15-2020 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshToku (Post 780613)

All of that was mentioned actually, two pages ago, courtesy of Switchblade.

Completely missed that in my rush to skim through several pages of posting to see if anyone had mentioned that. My apologies.

Sunred

11-15-2020 01:45 AM

Another feat done. :rock:
Can't wait to see the Kabuto reviews.

Mmicb0b

11-16-2020 04:27 PM

I've actually never seen the next rider series but from what I've heard(FAIZ 2.0) I wouldn't like it probably

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