This argument is rather asinine.

Is it? Yamato and Misao had much more better stories to tell, and even one of the very few interesting villains from that show, Kubar, had more to offer than that. I mean sure, Yamato is the main character technically, but hey, at least they used that focus for something good. Instead of wasting it on a screaming idiot.

No I don't. If I find something stupid or lame I will point it out, no matter if Sentai or Rider or whatever else did it. Even if they are notorious problems, because those are the easiest to solve. And it’s not like I have particular issues with tropes anymore. I'll continue to speak my mind about the ones which I don’t like if the occasion requires it but it’s no use crying about them anymore.

But please don't hold this against me if I'm sick of forced mecha fights in the future. I'm only human after all.

I don't care. If they can give me likable characters and an environment to be invested in I’ll watch it. Kyuranger does none of that, at least not right now, so I don't enjoy it.

That’s essentially what you’re trying to tell me anyways, isn’t it?

I don't want to take that from you but I haven't wasted 20 minutes of my life prior to writing these particular comments so I have nothing to be upset about really.

Yeah, uh no, sorry, can't agree. The reason Dairanger is hands down the best Sentai show ever is because it is just the best show all around. It has the best designs, the best mecha and mech battles, awesome villains that can be comedic and down right terrifying at the same time, a strong cast, some of the most energetic music and fights in the entire franchise, and is the most story driven show. It only has 6 filler episodes. Everything else is plot.

So it kind of feels like I'm stepping into a warzone here but I had some stuff I wanted to add to the discussion.

You did, actually. Sort of.

I think you meant more like "five episodes from now", but still.

This is surprising to even me but I'm gonna go ahead and side with Kiwami on this one. "He's one thing and then under the surface he's another single thing" could actually describe quite a few major, recent Sentai characters. Of course, we're only five episodes in, so maybe Captain Dumplings could turn out to be exactly what you're hoping he is, but right now I think you're either giving Kyuranger a bit too much credit or recent Sentai a bit too little.

See that's a very agreeable statement and it's easy to see where you're coming from there, but when you talk about Kyuranger as being stupid or s*** or whatever so much instead of wording it politely like that, it can come off kind of abrasive to people like me or Lucha who don't feel the same way.

Let me be extra clear about this in case I'm coming off the wrong way though. I'm not asking you to sugarcoat your posts from now on or anything dumb like that. If you want to come in here and rant about Kyuranger being crap, that's what a forum is for. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

That being said, I stand by this bit.

Dr Kain, you gotta understand, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. Literally everything you just said is subjective and can be "proven" wrong with a simple "nuh-uh!". There's absolutely a such thing as objective quality (a plot-hole is a plot-hole and most people would probably agree a boom mic in the shot constitutes bad cinematography, for example), but the concept of the objective "best" is basically a myth, because everyone is going to define that a little differently. Observe this hypothetical conversation that has probably actually happened somewhere:

"Dairanger is the best Sentai because (stuff you just said)!"

"Nuh-uh! Jetman is the best because it's the most influential Sentai EVER!"

"WRONG! Jetman is overhyped garbage. Carranger is the best because it's such a great parody of the franchise."

"Says you! Carranger is way too comedic to take seriously. Gekiranger is the best because it's so unique and Rio-sama is the best villain in Sentai!"

"Yeah, well Gokaiger was a totally amazing celebration of all things Sentai so it's the best!"

*and so on*

...So are we cool? Some of us like Kyuranger and some of us don't and that's all okay and we can still get along?

Also, unrelated note: I should really get around to Dairanger. :lol

I'm pretty offended by this hit & run comment (probably more than I should be because I do respect your opinion).

Please. Tell me how my argument is "asinine." I think it's pretty well reasoned, but I may be biased. ;) What part do you think is so stupid? Do you disagree that people should watch Sentai on its own terms? Do you disagree that the vast majority (the majority, not all) of Sentai shows are pretty similar in quality, and what little variation exists is exaggerated by fandom? I mean, disagree all you want, but I'm sincerely failing to grasp why anyone would find any of these positions outright foolish. I think they're pretty defensible.

Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Sentai. It's one of my favorite things in the world, as you've probably already gleaned. But even I can recognize that every single season, of the 19 I've watched in full, is deeply flawed. And it's very easy to pick each season apart on a technical level if you're not fully on board with it.

First, I agree with you about Misao, he's one of the most complex characters in Sentai history, and his story is stellar. You'll find no argument from me there.

But I don't agree that Yamato is particularly complex. At all. He's likable, he has an interesting journey, and his story is cool... but he's a very straightforward hero archetype. What you see is pretty much what you get, and he's more or less the same at the beginning of the story as he is at the end (except for his improved attitude toward his father).

Kubar is eventually interesting, but he spends around 30 episodes as your bog standard "smart Sentai villain." If the character as presented in the first five eps of Zyuoger had been a part of Kyuranger, I suspect you'd be railing against him right now as well.

But also, do you not see how flawed this whole argument is? You're judging characters who had 48 episodes of development against characters who have had five. Perhaps I should have said "potential" for complexity. Would that have been better? Considering there have only been five episodes, that should have been taken as a given.

I'm not trying to silence you, I'm just pointing out where -- and why -- I disagree.

Regarding those "notorious problems," well, what you think of as flaws, other people think of as features. I love many of Sentai's "notorious problems," and I think without some of them, Sentai just wouldn't be Sentai.

At the end of the day, I guess I just don't understand why you're still watching -- let alone taking the time to write about -- something you appear to hate a lot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I had no idea my views would be so controversial! :lol


That's probably fair. But what other heroic characters -- particularly modern heroic commander characters -- have intentionally put their charges through the emotional wringer when they could have easily avoided all of the drama with a single conversation? Who else has underhandedly manipulated their Sentai members to fight against each other? I'm struggling to think of a commander/mentor who would be so casually cruel. Maybe The Last Ninja? Then again, he was always pretty up front about his cruel intentions.

Maybe I indulged in a bit of hyperbole, but I'm an eternally optimistic sort. I'd rather search for ways a show impresses me than seek out all the ways it's irredeemably awful.

I totally agree with this. But I just want it to be clear to Kiwami that if he's going to dish out incendiary comments, he can't be shocked when people react accordingly.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Just the general notion you put out.
"Sentai isn't objectively good, thus, no Sentai is worse than any other."

I feel it's an asinine statement. Your caveat at the end of the post basically says the only way a series can be seen as better or worse is solely on film work and production levels.

Objectivity is a difficult matter to touch down on, but your phrasing makes it come off as coming up with a quantifiable list of why X or Y series in specific is bad is a worthless effort because the franchise as a whole is subpar and the series are too similar to really make it worth it.

:lol That was my point.

No, it's not the end of planet hopping. This is just the start of the first arc. The first five episodes are the "prologue" of the story and episode 6 onward marks the first major story arc, called the Earth Liberation arc. We might be on Earth for a while, but I by no means see any reason to think it'll be the rest of the show when they specifically went out of their way to brand the next stretch as something different.

(I'm thinking we'll see the characters see earth either by episode 13 or 26)

Hey, I've been there before! Ever since Kyuranger started I've been actively trying not to go full "late Ghost episode threads" in here to avoid exactly this kind of scenario. :lol

Yoshitaka was actually exactly the person that came to mind, but like you said, that's forty-some episodes versus five, so it's only so fair, and thus I didn't bring him up. I actually sort of hated him for the first half of the show but by the end and especially after rewatching Ninninger I find he's a remarkably nuanced, layered character for Sentai. The Ninninger cast in general is really strong in my opinion. I probably don't need to explain to you why Kasumi is great.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

You threw me off with the "most story driven show" bit. This is what the ;) and/or the :p are for, man! The ;) and/or the :p are essential if you want it to read as sarcasm. :lol

Well that part was true because it is. I'm just talking about the whole thing in general.