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But you do raise a fair handful of points. I definitely haven't watched enough Kabuto to know exactly what goes on with Hyper form, but my line of thinking was Decade turning himself into Kabuto and using Attack Ride Illusion to put numbers in his favor. It seemed to work for him in All Riders vs. Dai Shocker, but that film was mind poison anyways. Plus, he could use Clock Up outside of being Kabuto in Movie Wars 2010, so he has a number of other Decade advantages like Invisible and Illusion there. Still doesn't negate Hyper Kabuto, though. |
Tough call... if it weren't for OOO, Den-O, All Riders: Let's Go Kamen Riders! Ichigo.
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I'm voting OOO. I genuinely believe OOO is one of the (If not the) strongest Riders of all time.
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OOO all the way. He would hands down beat Ichigo. As much as the original Rider rocks I just don't think he would stand a chance. Too many different forms and abilities that he just wouldn't be able to defend against.
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Anyone else think that matrixbeast has become the 'Sentai' of kabuto due to this thread? =p
I guess it makes it easier going forward for the likes of OOO etc though if Kabuto's not around, silver lining and all that.. =p |
I think Den-O and Matrixbeast covered everything i wanted to say, so yep I'm voting OOO too.
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OOO has a huge advantage in how varied his fighting styles are.
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Ever since Decade's movie (Where he gained the ability to drop the IQ of every Rider in his vicinity by 100 points), I've been completely anti-Decade.
But here's the thing: OOO and Kabuto are legitimately more powerful than Decade. But Decade is riding the "Hurr durr evry rider" wave, getting him a free pass (In addition to many people having Decade be their first Rider experience, similar to Gokaiger for who are now Sentai fans). Having the powers doesn't make him any stronger than the others. Decade as Kuuga could kick a monster and it'd die. Kuuga could kick Decade and wipe out a city. But NOPE. Decade is stronger because Decade is Decade. Decade as Kabuto can move at super speed. Kabuto can FREELY STOP, REVERSE, AND ALTER TIME. But NOPE. Decade is better because Decade is Decade. OOO is fueled by desire, and once Eiji realized what his true desires were and tried to obtain him, he became nigh unstoppable. But NOPE. Decade can beat him because Decade is Decade. Let me tell you who Decade is. Decade is the 13 year old anime fan's cliche ridden, 'perfect', "Original" character who got elevated to legitimate character. Decade is a nobody. How does he solve his problems? By figuring out who to copy next (Gokaiger was even worse in this regard, since at least Decade didn't start with all the powers, we got to see him fight, but I'm not gonna get into that). His growth amounts to "Stop being a colossal dick for no reason," and the only reason he still exists is due to a BS deus ex machina involving his inexplicable girlfriend (Who would do anything for him because...Love) killing him then convincing the Riders of other worlds (Whom he just went on a killing spree against) that he was worth remembering and reviving (He's also the leader of the villains too, giving him a super powered evil side). Who is Kamen Rider Decade? Kamen Rider Decade is just evidence that, yes, Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Blade, Hibiki, Kabuto, Den-O, and Kiva can, in fact, still kill monsters when a bad cameraman in a stupid haircut can't handle it. |
....and breathe.
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Yeah, I get what Matrixbeast is saying. Decade could have every single weapon & power-up Kabuto has, but at the end of the day, no-one is better at being Kabuto, than Kabuto.
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I voted for Ichigo. OOO is powerful and all, but he doesn't have the skill and power one gets from forty years of destroying evil. Honestly, even with all the form changes I just don't think Eiji is all that good of a fighter. Hongo is.
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Hey, come to think of it, where the hell is Kuuga in this Rider poll thing? |
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Just look at Decade's skills and traits.
-Can use the powers of all preceding characters. -Is cold and aloof despite the loving friends. -Has girlfriend who inexplicably loves him and would do anything for him. -Has amnesia. -Is a genius and perfect. -Has one flaw that's not really a flaw. -Can outfight the best fighters. -Can use every power perfectly from the get go. -Has a superpowered evil side. -Everyone inexplicably likes him from the moment they lay eyes on his stupid haircut. -Can freely act like a jerk and never get called out on it. -Is the destroyer of worlds. -Is too good for this sin filled world. Many of these can be applied to Kabuto. Thing is, it's either played for laughs or Kagami is too busy making the story amazing to care. Decade was too busy relegating Kuuga to "Bystander who can't do anything so Decade will always be the hero and look the coolest" to make that difference. Tsukasa can't carry a series. Yuusuke never got to do anything. Natsumi is a horrible female character. And the grandfather (Forgot his name) was the only tolerable character. Quote:
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As for Kuuga, he may be superior to OOO. I wasn't really thinking about him when I made that statement :lol |
We have the guy who creates multiple time paradoxes and survives... against the guy who IS THE PARADOX, and fully capable of creating more. I've said it once, I'll say it again: D-D-D-DECADE!
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He had one mission. To destroy the AU Riders to prevent the worlds from merging. He instead befriended them and essentially doomed them all by allowing the worlds to merge and start the Rider War. Then lots of laser beams and the writers forget that stories should have endings. Decade isn't a paradox. He's just an idiot. Kabuto survived the Shibuya meteor and the Zect vs. Neo-Zect business, pulled the Hyper Zector through time, defeated the man with a blue rose, threw another meteor into the first meteor to reduce the size, changing history and setting off the events of Kabuto, and gave his younger self his Rider belt. |
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Kabuto changed history, but in order for those changes to remain permanent, he'd have to take the meteor back in time to Shibuya once that meteor arrives in the show's timeline. Otherwise, he'd cause a Grandfather Paradox. |
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Also being a walking contradiction doesn't make you super powerful. As for the second bit... what? EDIT: I had a quick read on wiki about grandfather paradox and I don't see how it applies... or even if it does you can argue it as a parallel universe scenario. =] |
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Note that the Rider who gave him the mission was the original Wataru, Kamen Rider Kiva. In the AU, he found a child version of Wataru, the AU Kiva. Decade's mission was to destroy the AU Riders so that the Original Rider worlds would survive (That's why the original Riders came to kill Decade during the end). And Kabuto's scenario isn't like that. The meteor that crashed into Shibuya was the remnants of the two meteors that collided in God Speed Love (The original, gigantic one that turned Earth into a deserty wasteland, and the smaller one that Kabuto pushed into the larger one when he traveled back in time). It's not a grandfather paradox because, as Kagami's disappearance on the pod back to Earth revealed, the timeline presented in God Speed Love ceases to exist because the circumstances that led to it were radically changed. In short: There was no paradox because that timeline and universe (Neo-Zect, Caucasus, Ketaros, Hercus, etc) no longer exist for the paradox to occur. |
Kabuto. His series has always been one I've wanted to watch and oh gawd dat suit. Tendou himself seems pretty cool too.
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It's a shame it's too little too late since Decade already won... |
And OOO moves onto the finals to face Decade, while Ichigo faces Kabuto for 3rd place!
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Kamen Rider Similarities Tourney 1, 3rd Place Rumble- Kabuto VS Ichigo
Let the battle for 3rd place begin!
Kamen Rider Kabuto (2006) VS Kamen Rider Ichigo (1971) Let's review the Rider's powers: Kabuto:
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Who is the more powerful Rider? This battle closes Tuesday! |
I'm afraid that if I vote for Ichigo, Matrixbeast will yell at me.
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Don't be afraid of Matrix. What he doesn't know is I replaced his alarm clock, and ringtone, with the Opening Theme from Tensou Sentai Goseiger. :lol
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Kabuto because he is the Chuck Norris of Riders. :P
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I'm sorry Ichigo, but as cool as you are, Kabuto would probably beat you. >->
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As well as he should have.
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You all have failed to provide any reason as to why Decade can win other than "All riders." |
Decade has the edge, sorry...can counter anything Kabuto can throw at him, especially in violent emotion when he just has all the powers at his disposal...now if it was the men IN the armor, Tendo would win period.
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I've detailed how Kabuto can defeat Decade. Decade can "Counter anything Kabuto can throw at him"? How? Please, explain this to me. If Kabuto clocks up, what can Decade do? (Note: Transforming into Kabuto and using his Clock Up card IS NOT countering him. It's just putting them back where they started) If Kabuto Hyper Clocks Up, what can Decade do? (Hyper Clock Up can freeze or reverse time, depending on what Kabuto wants to do) If Kabuto takes Decade in a straight fight, what can Decade do? (Note that Kabuto's signature Rider Kick is a counter move in and of itself) Saying Decade can counter Kabuto means nothing if you can't prove it. |
So then are you saying Kabuto should of just won the whole tourny?
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Everyone says Decade is better and ends their statement there. I said Kabuto is better and pointed out why. |
Seeing all the votes, I've decided to close the battle early. The 3rd place winner is Kabuto! Ichigo is eliminated!
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I'm kinda channeling my inner Narutaki. It's kinda like if Gokaiger won the Sentai tournament. |
Yeah I was just going by what my favorites were. Not by 'logic' lol. Though Decade and Kabuto are my 2 favorite shows.
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Kamen Rider Similarities Tourney 1, Finals- Destroyer of Worlds VS The MultiKing
And now the main event, the finals! You guys have voted them as the strongest riders, and now it's time for them to battle!
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3955317216.jpg Kamen Rider Decade (2009) VS http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...0uido1_500.png Kamen Rider OOO (2011) The "Destroyer of Worlds" VS "The Multi-King". Decade:
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WHEN YOU VOTE, ALSO STATE YOUR REASON WHY. AS IN AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE REASON, NOT JUST "HE'S STRONG JUST BECAUSE HE'S HIM" The battle closes Friday! Other Riders in the tournament: 3rd: Kabuto 4th: Ichigo Others that were eliminated but didn't have a corresponding place: Double, Accel, Den-O, Amazon, Nadeshiko, Sasword |
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