I kind of hope the sounds from the driver go something like this:

(Drive Driver on) - "Engine Start!" (sound effect of light change from 'Pole Position')
Henshin!
"Drive Go!" (sounds of burning rubber)

Special attack:
(belt activation) - "Yellow Flag!"
(belt activation) - "Red Flag!"

Final attack:
(belt activation) - "Finish Line!" (sound effect of race car passing at high speed)

I would also think the alter forms would be 'Mach something' or 'Pursuit form', keeping with the theme.

And we get to also have a new debate on whether his assumed faster Speed Form is in fact quicker than Clock Up or Accel Trial.

I do think the wheels on the back of the car are for conversion to bike. I get such a GoOnger vibe from this series already. Also when was the last time a car was used instead of a bike for a Rider?

I'm definitely getting a Kuuga/Zabee vibe, but that's probably due to the flared shoulderpads.

They REALLY need to make a team-up between KR Drive and KR Accel. :D

I like that suit. The tire sash is cool, and I'm really liking the helmet. He's very red, but not so red that I find it to be too much. One of my favorite details is the white stripes on the legs, reminds me of Kamen Rider 1.

I actually really like the suit and hope the other forms look as good as it.

B-but, look at t-the chest! The t-tire forms a 7!

I'll admit that I thought the Gaim 6 was kinda cute, but I totally don't see anything that suggests a 5 with Wizard. Fairly certain the trend died two years ago.

5 fingers on the WizarDriver's hand.
Really reaching, weren't we?

Guys, I've already figured it out. Faiz was the '5' in the number trend, they just did it too early.

I couldn't stand the constant justification for Wizard keeping the theme.

Anyway, the colors of the suit are dull (Yes, the planet knows red and black go well together), the suit itself looks mediocre (Tire sash looks awful, the suit looks drab and lacking), and based on these leaked images, I'm not finding myself excited.

It could all be turned around come time for actual promos (It is an action show, so perhaps the suit will look better in action) and learning more on who's writing, but right now, I'm just not feeling it.

Yes, considering the whole number thing was to do with the amount of gimmicks being used at a single time and Wizard only used TWO rings at a time.

Can we, as a community and fandom, agree to finally let this damn theory die?

I thought it was a clever little thing people noticed when Fourze happened and now we're past that. But no, people think Drive has to do with 7 even if it has nothing to do with his gimmick. So the dumb people won't let this theory die.

I always thought of it as a jock when people go on about the numbers because even though it would be neat to see the riders have a theme that extends to the next but that would just be cumbersome for Toie and Bandai to pull of for nothing more then fans going oh ya when it comes to the next decade

Wizard had 5 fingers.

Wizard's item was rings.
He only ever used 2 at a time.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ai-d79qdg2.png

B-but five! Five fingers! The pattern is true! Lizardfolk run the world! Santa Claus works for the Illuminati! Half-Life 3 confirmed!!!

I clearly remember it being stated it was five fingers. Yes, he only used two rings, but there are still five fingers on a hand.

Just like how Kouta has six main lockseeds (Strawberry, Orange, Pineapple, Lemon Energy, Triumphant, and Kiwami).

Lockseeds look like the numeral "6" when unlocked, "G" is the sixth letter of the alphabet, six Sengoku Drivers distributed to the Beat Riders (With One Melon to Rule Them All), "Lock" sounding like "Roku" which means "six", and so on...

Honestly I just watch these theories because I think it's kind of fun, in a strange way.

:lol for every person who says "but Wizard had 5 fingers!" there's another one out there who says "wizard had 5 elements!". Which is of course ludicrous because Wizard had 4 elements and Infinity was a combination/consolidation of the power of those 4 into one for a final form.

The numbering gimmick had to do with Henshin devices up through Fourze. I'm sorry but anyone else seeing anything else beyond that from Wizard up is just making pointless assumptions.

That was fan justification, not an official stance.

Aren't all the numbers thing as well as the NEo-Hesei just fan things in general...?

The actual numbering scheme that Toei devised previously went:

Decade - 1 card to henshin
W - 2 memories to hensin
OOO - 3 medals to henshin
Fourze - 4 switches to henshin

Those were real things. But that type of numbering would have been ludicrously silly with 5 items at a time or more. Both the riders names and gimmicks reflected this trend from W-Fourze, while Decade is more of a stretch. ANYTHING beyond Fourze is mere speculation and needless fan theory. The proper numbering convention was dropped after Fourze, again, becuase of the lunacy of needing 4 or more items to henshin.

So the whole Wizard has 5 fingers, Lock can be mispronounced as roku/6, or Drive has 7 tires on his body, are all frankly people just drawing connections that don't exist.

I don't think that's "connections that don't exist", I think they're very blatant connections. What are the odds that Wizard would have five fingers, and that the "W" in Wizard is often pronounced or spelled (I can't remember) as "V" which is 5.

What are the odds that Gaim would use "lock seeds", that if mispronounced (which is apparently a very common thing) would end up being the word for "six"?

And now Drive has 7 tires?

Decade - 1 card to henshin
W - 2 memories to henshin
OOO - 3 medals to henshin
Fourze - 4 switches to henshin
Wizard - 5 fingers (hand) to henshin
Gaim - 1 lock (mispronounced would be the number 6) to henshin
Drive - henshins with 7 tires on his body

That's just too easy to connect the dots to not have it be slightly intentional.

Except that in no instance ever during the course of Wizards run was that W pronounced as a V at all nor was the word spelled that way, and in most instances his name "wizard" was never even uttered. Only in cross over movies was the word wizard even used and it was pronunced properly. In show the Japanese term "mahoutskai" rather than the proper name Wizard was used, even by wizard himself. Characters did not actually call him Wizard outside of crossovers. Just like Gaim isn't called a Kamen Rider unless he's in a team-up film.

People are speculating 7 tires based on one blurry image of the Drive suit. There isn't even confirmation that's a thing. Again, the gimmick was henshin devices, not minor suit details. Wizard Gaim & Drive do not use a number of items to become riders. Saying that it's a clear continuation because Gaim wears a lock that if you say the word incorrectly means 6, to me, is silly.

Yes, but in Wiccan belief, there are five elements, with the fifth being spirit. Infinity is easily the representation of spirit as the power was forged from Haruto's own soul. Hence why they have the pentagram. Each point of the star is a representation of each element.

I'd say the odds of that are pretty good considering that's the default number of fingers people have.

But no, Den-O is right. The number thing referred specifically to the number of power activation items used to transform: 1 card, 2 Gaia Memories, 3 Core Medals, 4 Astro Switches. The pattern died the minute Haruto didn't start wearing five rings on one hand and stayed dead when Kouta didn't have to activate six Lock Seeds at once. From all I've seen of the belt, there's no space to fit seven toy cars into it so Drive is continuing to not use the number pattern. Any claim otherwise is just trying to force a connection to something that the show isn't doing anymore.

Kamen Rider is an ongoing franchise. While Toei is ultimately in charge of the show and Bandai is in charge of the toys, those are just companies. There are individuals in charge of each new series and they aren't always the same people year to year. Sometimes new people come in and start doing something new with the show, sometimes new people come in and put an end to something that the show had been doing. The number pattern was a thing the show did for awhile but now it's over and buried in the past along with Foundation X and (hopefully) the two-episode arc structure.

I do hope we see Foundation X return, at least in the freaking cross over movies.

So who are the kaijin?

At this point I think it's just really pushing it, I could slightly understand the finger thing more but this is just way out of it now.

I also don't really understand why the number thing has to be... well a "thing" now, I just thought it was a neat thing they did up until Fourze... and now everyone is shoving down peoples throat a numerous of theory's as to why Wizard has 5... or Gaim is 6 because the Lockseed looks like a 6..? Seriously..? because it looks like a 6... Well then.... And now we have Drive because.... We have to have 7?

Or you know, Bandai are trolls and they stopped the pattern just so they could see debates like these on forums. lol

Anyway, wish the scans of the suit came sooner!

The whole thing about Wizard's 5 fingers is pretty dumb in my opinion, as it's basically implying:

Toei is God and they created the human hands with 5 fingers just so they could continue a gimmick in one of hundreds (thousands?) of TV shows. Toei also made 6 slices symmetrical so they could use it on a visor in again, one of hundreds of TV shows.

Doesn't that sound completely dumb?

Oh, Kickback....not you too. I'm losing respect as a toku fan for you really fast.

Unless Fourze and W's (producer, that's right?) comes back, to do another movie war to wrap up Foundation X, I don't see it happening for awhile. Toei seems more interested in reviving Shocker and obscure Rider villain organizations at the moment.

Drive's suit looks awesome! The tire sash looks awesome, although the red shins/feet look a little weird to me, just because it looks a little like Tajador.

I don't get the big deal with Shocker. They had their time in the sun. They made sort of sense when they were doing the anniversary stuff for Decade, but it is time to let them go. Or, make Shocker be behind Foundation X or vice versa. There, problem solved.

Is the number convention thing so hard to believe? Like it's been said having moe henshin items would have been silly so they decided to take a more subtle route with it.

Afterall how random an idea was it to use padlocks for a gimmick? What if at Bandai HQ they were thinking about what to do with numbers and the whole lock sounding like 6 came up and they decided to start from there. Same with Wizard, simple idea, five fingers and they built on that.

Not saying it's true but god people are really antsy if you bring that up like it's blasphemy that just maybe they decided to continue the number thing.

I think Fpoundation X should really be its own entity, coming in as the evil coporation reverse engineering all of these powers, like they did in Megamax with the future medals and the Nadeshiko switch. But on a much grander scale.


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Also the reasoning for them to use the Lockseed as a henshi gimmick was because it meant something along the lines of them because it meant a new opening for things to come or something along the lines like that (I'll have to find the article)

But it had no meaning with the number 6.

But yet when unlocked it looks like a six. Most if any normal locks don't look like a six.

The way I see it, W-Fourze were all really obvious naming patterns that alluded to a number theme, with W being, well, half and half, OOO representing three medals, and Fourze literally has the word 'four' in his name.

Nothing about Wizard or Gaim alludes to 5 or 6, respectively. I think that's what kills this theory.

Just because fan speculated it looks like a 6 when unlocked doesn't mean the creators intended it to be nor did they think about the number 6 at all.

I had always assumed that had they wanted to continue the motif they would have made Orange LS 06, instead of Strawberry.