Yes, but both Saber and Geats in these drawings are very similar to Build, although in reality the similarity is much less. So I will assume (I'm lying, I don't believe in anything yet) that Geats will actually be yellow and blue, but not divided into two equal halves.

I feel the tournament idea is real as well as the Beowulf concept.

I don?t know about you, but when I type ?Wolf + Ax?, it throws out tomahawks and legends of Native Americans. Maybe Geats will not be based on Vikings, but based on Native Americans? After the Mexican motives of the leaders of the Deadmen, this is not at all surprising. Yes, and Hiawatha is in elementary school (in my country, don't know about Japan), so the aesthetic and references should be clear to the target audience.

Then I don't like that the concept has two heroes associated with a bear (Beowulf and Arthur) and neither of them got a bear as Rider.

This is all he?s said

The tournament part is 100% fake, plot details do not leak this early

The constant talk of Beowulf and Vikings doesn't necessarily annoy me, but a part of me wishes we had more fake art to go around with it. Remember the fake art we got for Saber and Zero-One?

https://www.tokunation.com/attachmen...3&d=1592978681
Side note: I still believe "Wolfessor" deserves to be a thing in KR, that pun name is too good.

https://www.tokunation.com/attachmen...6&d=1592999435
Another side note: Man, imagine this guy with the Xross Saber repaint, that would've been sick!

Not gonna lie, I geniunely love the designs for some of the fake leaks. Zi-O's will always stand out a bit in my mind:
https://i.imgur.com/f8jqEXq.jpeg

Especially the Secondary/Dark Rider and Decade's designs:
https://i.imgur.com/qFMXRTG.jpeg

Though I gotta say, I really prefer the fake Zero-One's art. Geniunely feels so unorthodox yet still feels like a Kamen Rider Design:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uo_hs5HBL...29347840_n.jpg

Plus the Upgrade looked amazing:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wqJH3CcXI...36622848_n.jpg

Sorry for the pic spam, but not gonna lie, I get real nostalgic for the times these fakes were leaked. Really cool stuff.

The 01 characters look like a team of Metal Heroes and are somewhere between B-Fighter Kabuto and Kabutack. And Saber's design suggests that the author somewhere saw a part of the Desast suit and added it. And how could people even think that this is a hero in a children's show?

Thanks! I forgot where the original posts were made. I guess all we can bank on as a possibility is that there may be a wolf/axe motif and that there may be multiple riders with different swappable parts for the belt.

I have to say, the swappable parts sounds really cool. Always found the faceplates and emblems to be really cool for personalizing a generic design to make it unique to each rider. Hopefully this goes the path of Giffard Rex and the CSG Titan sword and turns out to be true.

Actually, does anyone remember when the Logo's were trademarked for Saber and Revice? I feel that they were trademarked around this time of year, but not sure of the date.

Yup, I'm so tired of it at this point. For the people just having fun with it no shade, but for the people who have fully bought into it already I feel sort of bad, it's no fun to be disappointed

(However, if it does wind up being Beowulf themed somehow I'll type up a formal apology lol)

Didn't the drawing of the Axe Wolf form come from someone who's in this forum? And it's just based off some 4chan rumours originally yea? And with them mentioning the Beowulf thing on the IG post, I'm just not buying this at all

While "Axe Wolf" on it's own sounds cool, it does sound absurdly build like to me so idk... We also had a wolf themed secondary rider so recently....

Saber was also originally drawn in the Build style. As for repeating the wolf theme, there was only a year interval between Ryuki and Blade, and both shows used the card theme. Well, some animals generally appear in almost every season.

I know they do like to repeat stuff, with everything being based on market testing that makes sense, it's more just the rumour of "two gimmick items, with animal item combo" feels like a more overt than normal repeat, it's less the art and more how the concept of the form and the gimick item system

Ryuki and blade are close, but their cards are thematically different from each other, and some animals will always be popular to kids so it makes sense we get those repeating a lot

but this just sounds like Build's system of doing things 1:1, I'm sure if this does turn out to be true there would be some nuance to differentiate them, but if it's really non-electric gimmick items, where you put two items in the belt at a time, and you do combos between an animal/alive themed item and an item/not-alive themed item, that would just be super funny to me bc of how clear a repeat that would be

Build was a very high earning series financially speaking, so I wouldn't really be shocked if they just wanted to do it again (I've heard rumours that revice is selling badly? I don't know if that's true, but if so them going back to something similar to what sold well in the past makes some sense)

Tangentially related, if they do copy Build personally I'd like to see Muto return as head writer at least (I liked build even tho it does have some issues, but I'd really like to see what Muto could do with a second series now that he has some toku writing experience under his belt)

The Saber one is the same as the Geats artwork people are making right now, and the Revice drawings from last year. It was made based on what Mr.Infobox was describing which is why it looks so close

But even before Build, W did the same thing. Build even left a reference to it when Sento and Ryuga become one in the movie.

I don?t know about Revice sales, but I heard that Saber sells very well in China.

Revice did fine in sales

Cool.

I almost mentioned this in my last post but while Build borrows a lot of design from W, it's still more different than these rumours are from Build, most notably:

• W has electric gimmick items, Build does not
  
• W had a no electronics belt, Build's belt has electronics
  
• The concepts for W's gimmick items follow a different pattern than build's (i.e. "Luna Trigger" would not work as a Build form thematically)

I'd say function wise the Gamer Driver from Ex-Aid is a lot closer to the W driver, but they're still quite different thematically (again as an example "Luna" would not work as a Gashat theme)

But if the Wolf Axe rumours for Geats and the assumptions made about the 8-item set of Candy Toys are true then it would be much much more similar to Build than Build is to W, since it would be:

• Geats and Build both use two non-electronic gimmick items
  
• Geats and Build both have electronic belts (presumably if the gimmick items are non-electric the belt will be electric)
  
• Geats and Build gimmick items are both themed after using one living thing and one non living thing

I just can't think of another gimmick line that's quite so similar to a previous one... Like in reference to my previous examples this one would feel weird to me because "Wolf Axe" could just be a Build form and no one would bat an eye, it matches the theme pattern so it feels weird.

The only other ones I can think of that're close are W and Ex-aid... And honestlh even OOO and Saber (non electric belt peice the holds gimmick item, electric piece that scans gimmicks with nfc, 3 gimmick items) but in that case the set up for the belts is very different, the theming pattern is different (you wouldn't have a Wonder Ride Book just called "grasshopper" or an OOO medal called "King of Arthur"), and the gimmick items do have sounds for saber while there's no lights or sound for OOO

Like even in shows that can have something in common... Like... OOO, Build, and Revice are all shows that could have (and I believe do have) a Gorilla gimmick item. In this case the belts all function very differently from each other, as do the gimmick items, so it's not so 1:1 as what rumours are saying for Geats

And again I'm not saying they wouldn't differentiate them, I'm just saying it feels like if these rumours are accurate it would just be more similar than usual, with multiple elements lining up, rather than just like one similarity, and while that does make it's legitimacy feel a little more doubtful to me... it's definitely not impossible that they'd just copy an old gimmick line almost completely... Toei and Bandai like money, if they think doing something like build again will make money, then sure, they might do that

EDIT: I also want to clarify, even if they do wind up having ridiculously similar gimmick themes and function, I do have a level of trust in bandai's toy designs that they will manage to make them feel different enough to feel like a new toy line; it's very possible the gimmick items as toys will do something very different from fullbottles, and that'll make them feel more different even if the theming is weirdly similar.

Also I'm sure Geats would be able to have it's own identity as a show.

Overall, how similar the gimmick line is to build doesn't need to affect the quality of the toys or the show, I'll just find it sort of funny if they're as similar as rumours are making it out to be

I'd be curious to see the end of year report for Revice when that comes out, we can't garner a whole lot just from the first-quarter sales

For Instance Drive has higher first-quater sales out of: W, OOO, Fourze, Drive, Ghost, Ex-Aid, Zero-One, and Saber. But drive actually has the lowest total sales of any of those shows.

[Edited due to an error and to better clarify]

To be fair, we did have Blade that was on a face-value level almost the exact same as Ryuki.

Both have "Base" Animals for the individual Rider's for their unique theme.

Both have cards as their gimmick item themed after animals that are used for attacks.

Both used combinations (Ryuki: Weapons and armor/Blade: Combined Finishers)

On a very basic level, they are extremely similar, but in retrospect were going for very different themes and the shows went in very different directions.

I'm not saying that it's wrong to compare Build and Geats, the rumors certainly make them sound very similar, but I would not be surprised if we had a similar situation with Ryuki/Blade, where they sound like they have nearly the same gimmick, but end up being different enough not to feel like a repeat.

Oh, I don't know. In my opinion, if they want to Build again, they should just Build again. Call it Neo-Build or Build 2.0, make the protagonist a fan of Sento toys and spin the plot on penetration into the New World of elements of the old. And according to rumors (which, again, it's too early to believe), yes, we get a stripped-down version of Build with less interesting combinations. Although we assumed in the discussion that perhaps "axe" would be the constant element in all combinations, while "wolf" would change. But then it's scary to imagine how many forms they will come up with to beat Build in sales.

Honestly the idea of a straight up sequel series does sound like it would be sort of entertaining imo. I could see that being very fun. Tho I think personally I would prefer something totally new, I wouldn't be against a sequel series as a concept.

Omg yeah lol, the sheer amount of gimmick items in build is overwhelming tbh, hopefully it's not so much again

There's no way they wouldn't just make Den-O/Gaim/Ex-Aid 2 if they could (or some other rider show that got milked to oblivion and back)

Tbh thinking about it I am sort of surprised we haven't really seen a proper sequel show to something or other... I guess in most cases the issue is probably just that it would be hard to get all/enough of the creative staff or actors back?

After what feels like 7 billion years, we got another rumor about Geats that has nothing to do with Beowulf or any current rumors, allegedly coming from investor meetings from the International Tokyo Toy Show:

The rumor also has info about Revice/Donbros/Ultra, so this rumor'll gain weight if any of the non-Geats info turns up true. What do you think about this?

If the other rumor (The belt works like Saber/Gaim, where it has two parts (gimmick + decorative piece)) is true, then I can imagine the bracelets being our actual gimmick item and the buckles acting like the Sengoku Driver's faceplates.

The idea of a bracelet gimmick gets me excited, it feels somewhat non-Riderlike, like more of a Sentai thing? I can imagine the transformation poses looking really cool, having to transform with it. The theme is still a mystery, but "bracelet + buckles" is a slightly more solid jumping point for an investigation that "word that is most likely some kind of pun or portmanetau that we won't get until some kind of visual drops".

If this is a fake rumor it?s a damn good one, they matched it up exactly when we?d get information like this (A toy show) and even included stuff we know was at the fair (The Vail Driver), plus even included stuff from other shows since obviously it wouldn?t just be rider.

Bracelets sound like a really cool gimmick, it?s been 10 years since the last fully scannable gimmick with the Wizard Rings. The Buckles match with the speculation that Geats will be another big multi-rider show, but if they do it right I think it can work a lot better than Saber (at least visually), since the buckles can give each one of the riders a unique belt design while still only needing to buy the main belt to get everyone?s

Now I?m curious if the Wolf and Axe stuff is real too or if it?s heading into a new direction

"Scan bracelet and the belt opens" sounds a lot like the belts in Armor Hero Hunter season one lol

This doesn't make it less likely, more just kind of a fun coincidence since Armor Hero usually copies rider hard (for example one of the belts that scans bracelts also just uses sounds from the W driver in the show) so it would be funny for Kamen Rider to do a gimmick that Armor Hero got to first lol

It would be cool if they had the bracelets be snap bracelets like Armor Hero did, that way they'll fit kids and adults and also snap bracelets are just fun

Interesting, the bracelet thing actually reminds me of the Wizard Rings but with the addition of the Gaim Faceplates as buckles so that the drivers don't all look the same during a group fight or transformation.

My problem with the "Wolf+Ax" concept is that after "Rabbit+Tank" it doesn't surprise me anymore. If they were swapped in time, then everything is OK, Toei do the same thing, but in a completely crazy way. But after Build...meh.
Another option is if Build was an older season. For example, if they now shoot a series about a glow-in-the-dark Rider transforming with a mobile phone, with a robot motorcycle whose belt is constantly stolen and called Inoue as a screenwriter, it will be similar to 555, but not identical. Trite because since 2003, costume designs, CGI, and even mobile phones have changed a lot. But since 2018, not so much.

Interestingly, the fact that we are immediately promised a lot of items, does it mean that in the first episode several Riders will be shown at once, or, as in the case of the Wizard, the main character will already have several forms?

There is also the possibility the rider's use a lot of auxiliary bracelets that have other effects like how Wizard had the "connect", "copy", or "sleep" rings.

I am a bit surprised that no one has brought up that Ultraman Taiga used bracelets as the Primary gimmick of the show.

That being said... Taiga's bracelets were a bit mediocre IMO. If Geats' gimmick is bracelets, hopefully they can do something more interesting.

Only issue I have is if it is bracelets, I haven't the foggiest notion how they could do upgrades. Wizard had most of the sounds in the belt, which could be a possibility for Geats, but we have not had sounds for upgrades/final forms in the belt since Drive (and Type Trideron had sounds in the Shift Car itself, with only an announcement and standby music in the belt).

If the buckles have unique sounds that could be how they handle upgrades, with a new buckle with new sounds for every new power-up

Yeah I hope this is fake too. The shaped compound eyes sound way too similar to build

Bracelets and Belts? So, it's basically Drive without the cars?

Again, waiting for official reveals, but if this is what happens, it sounds good. I like the sound of this in terms of collectibles and transformation gimmicks.

I'd wager there's a piece that detaches from the bracelet and attaches to the Driver.

The more I think about it the more I think bracelets could be a fine gimmick item, my only concern is I really don't want them to only fit children... If they have proper straps like on the drive brace, or bandai's Youkai Watch toy series then that should be okay, but I don't want something like they had for Ultraman Taiga where it was like hard plastic clasps (similar to Wizard Rings), i think they were designed so you could swap them out with bigger ones, but idk I never liked having to buy a couple adult-sized clasps just so I could wear wizard rings, and that just sounds even more annoying for bracelets lol

It seems like another rumor has surfaced, this time about Geats' secondary:

To elaborate, Jiangshi are reanimated corspes (most likely brought back by supernatural causes) that move around by hopping with their arms outstretched, looking to suck to life force out of people. Depending on the source material, people often compare them to vampires or zombies.

What a monstrous theme for a secondary Rider? Perhaps they'll initally be villainous or something. I wonder if the item bit means that the secondary uses a different kind of Driver, or that one of the gimmick items (the bracelet or the buckle) resembles one. Jiangshi have very clear motifs/imagery, so I wouldn't be surprised if the buckle resembled a jiangshi's face, or something like that.

Not sure how true this considering all the "suit leaks" so far for Geats is re-hashing the same rumor more or less, but it sure would be a interesting theme for a Rider.

There?s no ?suit leaks? at all, it?s a few people on 4 Chan just making stuff up

If I'm not mistaken, Jiangshi are what the Rinshi from GekiRanger were based off of.