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guncannon109 02-24-2013 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coturos (Post 110125)
Also I forgot to mention. Having no development was satonaka's whole thing. She was a worker. She did her job, and left. She didn't get attached to anyone so of course she wouldnt face development.
Remember the P's Game episodes?

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coturos (Post 110125)
Also I forgot to mention. Having no development was satonaka's whole thing. She was a worker. She did her job, and left. She didn't get attached to anyone so of course she wouldnt face development.
You seem to have "developement" confused with "being in any way engaging or having any life to her performance."

She didn't need developement, but developement wasn't what she was lacking. A fucking soul was what she was lacking. The only other surprise in her appearence in the climax wa sthat fact that her voice broke that robotic monotone for once.

And if she didn't get attached to anyone, why was she one of the heartfelt faces extending open hands to our hero in need?

Honestly, I don't like talking about OOOs flaws. I don't want to remember the stuff I didn't like, and comparring OOOs to double and seeing the ugly spots of the two (forgot to remention, OOOs did do one thing way better than double: the secondary rider was WAY better) is really just dapening the series for me.

See, I recently rewatched Double with a friend. My starry-eyed blissful ignorance to Kamen Rider was long since gone, and the surprise of the show as spoiled in full, so it was really a chance to look past my initial feelings and re-evaluate it with scrutiny. And it was still better than OOOs.

Matrixbeast 02-24-2013 03:58 PM
So, with OOO under your belt, are you going to finish Agito or start another?

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 04:17 PM
Agito's next, as I'm about fifteen eps in.

Switchblade 02-24-2013 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 110110)
If he had something to do with 555 and Hibiki's second half, then he learned how to write a story before he hit Kiva. And a Kamen Rider series reuse tropes? Oh no, that has never happened before. :rolleyes
Actually, it's not that he learned to write before Kiva, it's that he forgot how to write after Agito. And there's nothing wrong with reusing tropes - I love the Showa era and there's tons of recycling there. The difference is that Inoue's stuff is incredibly overplayed and obvious - something happens that could be easily resolved by a simple conversation but it isn't because none of the characters will talk to each other openly, Riders spend as much time fighting each other as they do fighting monsters, characters' dreams exist solely to be crushed, there's one character whose sole purpose is to antagonize everybody else but nobody ever calls him on it, people keep falling into water, etc.

Agito is a classic. Jetman is a classic. But everything Inoue has touched since 2003 has been total shit.

You want proof? He's the dude that wrote the OOO portion of Movie War Core.

SideswipePrime 02-24-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110103)
Subjectively I think Double will always be my favourite. Objectively I still think Double is better. It was just better crafted, and it got far more emotional responses out of me than OOOs did. (And I had been spoiled to W's ending, so it had that working against it)

On W's ending verses OOOs: Really, as much as some people say it "cheapened" the second to last episode, I don't really see that. The emotion in the scene where Shotaro lets Philip go wasn't really undone, since it was still a major point to his character. And while philip wasn't gone long for us, he was for Shotaro, and seeing Shotaro not lose strength in the meantime was a huge service to the character. And his reuniting with Philip was very well done, really makign the relation between the two seem incredibly genuine.

Sadly, while I didn't want to do this, the main decider for which series overall was better comes mainly due to the acting. Shotaro's actor really, really portrays the character well, and really gets across the intense emotion Shotaro is based around. That's the best part of Shotaro and Philip: one is heart-on-his-sleeve and overflowing with personality, one is very reserved and awkward, sometimes oblivious, to emotion. They both aspire to be more, and grow in different ways, Shotaro accepting who he is and realising emotion is not something to just be ignored, and Philip wanting a family and to, basically, feel love and loved again.

Eiji... I like the character a lot, I like the actor a lot, but he's not Shotaro. He's just not the emotional powerhouse. I'm not saying he has to be the same character, but I can't remember a lot of scenes where Eiji expressed so much emotion outside of his oft-repeated civil war flashback, even when he should have. It got very tiring, honestly, and is one of the reasons I'll probably end up forgetting a huge part of him. He had a character, but he didn't have much of a personality.

Combine that with the other (minor mind you) flaws of the show and I can't honestly call OOOs better than Double. They are the same tier though. And OOOs did not ever dissapoint, especially coming off of Double which I, and many I've heard, consider one of the stronger series. I don't want to pick a favourite or which is better, but if I had to, it's Double, both times.
Ok. I was just curious, since Fourze was my favorite, but Den-O like I said, dethoned it.

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 07:46 PM
If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. :lol Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.

guncannon109 02-24-2013 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110194)
If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. :lol Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.
Six, wizard has six letters in it.

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 110195)
Six, wizard has six letters in it.
What the fuck is wrong with me.

SideswipePrime 02-24-2013 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110194)
If I can find it, I may give Fourze another chance, but I couldn't get past the first episode. The high school setting kills my interest, and the space motif isn't my cup of tea. (neither is the suit) Also, friendship being the overall theme has me groning just a bit.

Maybe if they make an SIC of Fourze I'll check it out. :lol Also I just relaised, the last few series have kind of been counting. Double means two, OOO is three zeros, Fourze sounds like "four" and Wizard has five letters in it.
Don't worry it's not like saved by the bell with Toku, like MMPR. I would say to try to at least watch up until Meteor shows up (with is episode 14 or 15 somewhere around there) because the story REALLY picks up at that point in the series.

Matrixbeast 02-24-2013 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime (Post 110200)
Don't worry it's not like saved by the bell with Toku, like MMPR. I would say to try to at least watch up until Meteor shows up (with is episode 14 or 15 somewhere around there) because the story REALLY picks up at that point in the series.
And then RIDICULOUSLY slows down because of the plot point involving Meteor :lol

Blade Raider 02-24-2013 08:03 PM
The parttern is...
W: The body is split in half giving every form 2 parts.
OOO: The same as W, but split into 3 parts.
Fourze: The switches can be equiped to 4 places on his body.
Wizard: There are 5 elements Wizard can used (though one hasn't been used yet, but it's been confirmed by the belt toy).

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110208)
The parttern is...
W: The body is split in half giving every form 2 parts.
OOO: The same as W, but split into 3 parts.
Fourze: The switches can be equiped to 4 places on his body.
Wizard: There are 5 elements Wizard can used (though one hasn't been used yet, but it's been confirmed by the belt toy).
Hah. HAHAHA I knew it.

I didn't because I don't watch Wizard BUT HEY YOU KNOW WHAT

guncannon109 02-24-2013 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110208)
The parttern is...
W: The body is split in half giving every form 2 parts.
OOO: The same as W, but split into 3 parts.
Fourze: The switches can be equiped to 4 places on his body.
Wizard: There are 5 elements Wizard can used (though one hasn't been used yet, but it's been confirmed by the belt toy).
You left out where the pattern started.
Decade: Has the ability to change into 1 previous rider at a time.

Blade Raider 02-24-2013 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 110212)
You left out where the pattern started.
Decade: Has the ability to change into 1 previous rider at a time.
Nay, there's not 1. It's like how TV starts with channel 2. :p

guncannon109 02-24-2013 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110213)
Nay, there's not 1. It's like how TV starts with channel 2. :p
Well, Decade marked the start of the Neo Heisei rider series so I count it. :lol

Blade Raider 02-24-2013 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 110216)
Well, Decade marked the start of the Neo Heisei rider series so I count it. :lol
Lies, W marks it :p

guncannon109 02-24-2013 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110219)
Lies, W marks it :p
But W was in Decade. That's what she said.

Matrixbeast 02-24-2013 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 110216)
Well, Decade marked the start of the Neo Heisei rider series so I count it. :lol
Decade was '09.
Double started it :p

Switchblade 02-24-2013 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by guncannon109 (Post 110216)
Well, Decade marked the start of the Neo Heisei rider series so I count it. :lol
No, Decade is very much part of the first decade (no pun intended) of the Heisei era. The shows from W onwards are noticeably different in a lot of ways from the older Heisei shows.

SPLIT LIP 02-24-2013 09:44 PM
If by that you mean awesome then for reals, bro.

Switchblade 02-24-2013 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110246)
If by that you mean awesome then for reals, bro.
That's part of it, yes.

Dr Kain 02-25-2013 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 110160)
? He's the dude that wrote the OOO portion of Movie War Core.
Honestly, that means nothing to me.

Spielberg gave us greatness with Jaws, Raiders, and Last Crusade. Then he gave us crap with AI, War of the Worlds, Temple, and Crystal Skull.

Cameron gave us great movies in the like of Aliens and both Terminators and then ruined it with garbage such as Titanic and Avatar.

Nolan might have Inception and The Dark Knight Trilogy, but he also has Insomnia under his belt.

Tarantino does great movies, but he still gave us Death Proof.

It doesn't matter who you are, you will always have just as much greatness as you have suckage.

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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110208)
Wizard: There are 5 elements Wizard can used (though one hasn't been used yet, but it's been confirmed by the belt toy).
Five elements, five fingers, five places to put rings on...

Blade Raider 02-25-2013 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 110339)
Five elements, five fingers, five places to put rings on...
That would work if he was the Mandarin, but Wizard only uses one finger on each hand.

MnemonicSyntax 02-25-2013 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110208)
The parttern is...
W: The body is split in half giving every form 2 parts.
OOO: The same as W, but split into 3 parts.
Fourze: The switches can be equiped to 4 places on his body.
Wizard: There are 5 elements Wizard can used (though one hasn't been used yet, but it's been confirmed by the belt toy).
No it's not. It's the five fingers on a hand. Everything is body part related as well.

ryan 02-25-2013 03:45 AM
Aw, looks like I missed a bunch of interesting Kiva/W/OOO talk.

I'll just say, Den-O is correct when he talks about Kiva, and wrong when he talks about W. :)

Of those three shows, OOO is the lesser in my opinion, but it's still a great show. I pretty much agree with what everyone else said regarding why W is a stronger show than OOO.

Going to finally give Wizard a chance, starting episode 1, right now.

chasesinister 02-25-2013 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 110015)
Chase, did you know that Yuji's girlfriend from the first two episodes was TimePink's actress? Also, the Dragon Orphenoch is Zero in Garo.
Yeah I know about Time Pink, I recognized her immediately. And about Kitazaki being in Garo someone already said that. It's really fun to see these actors in different series. Seeing them act in different roles, especially completely contrasting roles, is quite a treat.

Finished Faiz 34-36. I guess I'm wrong about Go Green, or Mihara as he is called here, being cannon fodder. Seems like he will be the wearer of the Delta Gear. The big reveal in this episodes is what Takumi really is. I wasn't really surprised, I guess I subconsciously assumed that he is since he could wear the Faiz Belt. Though Kusaka was able to wear it too so maybe he is an Orphenoc too. Damn that Kusaka, I've been wanting someone to bludgeon him already.

Dr Kain 02-25-2013 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110342)
That would work if he was the Mandarin, but Wizard only uses one finger on each hand.
But it's still five fingers.

Josgar 02-25-2013 09:26 AM
Just watched the first episode of Kamen Rider Wizard. Maybe I don't understand his powers / the world well enough, but if he could grab donuts off of a lamp post with his magic, why couldn't he have just walked through the portal to leave the jail cell?

SPLIT LIP 02-25-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 110464)
But it's still five fingers.
Point is the "5" thing is still readily noticable.

Blade Raider 02-25-2013 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Kain (Post 110464)
But it's still five fingers.
Whatever floats your boat. Point is he's five dollars for the foot long. Wizard isn't worth agruing the details.

ryan 02-25-2013 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Josgar (Post 110467)
Just watched the first episode of Kamen Rider Wizard. Maybe I don't understand his powers / the world well enough, but if he could grab donuts off of a lamp post with his magic, why couldn't he have just walked through the portal to leave the jail cell?
I did wonder that as well.

I thought the first episode was good enough, not great, but rarely is the first episode of a show the best one. I hope it improves, I'm going to watch more of it, I didn't hate anything.

I like the design of Wizard, and the way the magic circles are used for everything.

It bothers me that mainly Wizard feels like he's meant to be a fantasy type wizard, fighting monsters, casting spells, and then every once in a while they act like he's a stage magician. It doesn't fit together.

SPLIT LIP 02-25-2013 10:54 PM
Man, Agito episode 19 was amazing. I hope the rest are that level.

Blade Raider 02-25-2013 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110767)
Man, Agito episode 19 was amazing. I hope the rest are that level.
19, 19...is that the one where Hoji becomes a person? That episode is awesome.

PS Hoji's still a prick.

SPLIT LIP 02-25-2013 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110793)
19, 19...is that the one where Hoji becomes a person? That episode is awesome. It only gets better from here.

PS Hoji's still a prick.
Yeah, we finally saw a crack in ol' Hobo's douche armour. I'm sure he'll remain a snobby jerk-enjoyer for the rest of the show, but it's nice that he's not just a complete wad of cow-admiring spit.

The whole plot with him discovering that guy's stuff about how he murdered what did the murdering of his sister. I wish the whole show was like that. Genuine people drama overtop Rider fights. But I'm expecting more Gills screaming like a trapped rabbit and Agito being completely ignorant (willingly or not) to his rider exploits.

I mean, he's a nice guy, but he seems pretty damn indifferent to... life. He seems to maybe be kind of breaking into giving-a-fuck-land by living alone, but, well, he seems to do nothing related to being a Rider. In fact, the whole show just seems... off. Like it's not sure if it wants to be human drama or a Kamen Rider show or whatever the horrible animal monsters are doing and the police's efforts to stop them, instead of being all three at once. These things, while intersecting sometimes, hardly ever overlap. It's weird. Most of the time as I'm watching it I'm all "this is good shit" and the bits and pieces are good, but overall I'm not feeling it. I can't really remember a hell of a lot that's happened, and I'm halfway through episode 20.

EDIT: Also I'm getting pretty God-damned sick of that same old fight music and that atrocious "Aki" character.

EDIT2: And I'm getting incredibly sick of Mana and that rotten child. The way Mana says Agito's real name is the most annoying thing in the world since my friend farted in my ear while I was eating.

Switchblade 02-25-2013 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110796)
EDIT: Also I'm getting pretty God-damned sick of that same old fight music and that atrocious "Aki" character.
The music changes eventually and Aki is not a permanent cast member.

SPLIT LIP 02-26-2013 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 110807)
The music changes eventually and Aki is not a permanent cast member.
Oh good, because both are really starting to actually physically affect me. I'm wincing.

I dunno, I don't see myself being as enthralled by this show as W and OOOs. I guess I just prefer the peppier series with more energetic characters.

Blade Raider 02-26-2013 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110796)
In fact, the whole show just seems... off. Like it's not sure if it wants to be human drama or a Kamen Rider show or whatever the horrible animal monsters are doing and the police's efforts to stop them, instead of being all three at once. These things, while intersecting sometimes, hardly ever overlap. It's weird. Most of the time as I'm watching it I'm all "this is good shit" and the bits and pieces are good, but overall I'm not feeling it. I can't really remember a hell of a lot that's happened, and I'm halfway through episode 20.
It all add up by the end. Most Rider shows that try to make a grand mystery ends up having a lot of unanswered questions and plot holes. Agito has very few if any. It really gets going in the late 20s and early 30s. Basically, it's been set up all this time.

Agito (And Kuuga, Ryuki, Faiz, and maybe Blade) is nothing like the Kamen Rider of today. Today it's about flashy effects and selling toys, but early Heisei was more about making a good story with good characters and good beat 'em up action. They stayed on the side of drama and mystery. Especially Kuuga and Agito.


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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 110796)
EDIT2: And I'm getting incredibly sick of Mana and that rotten child. The way Mana says Agito's real name is the most annoying thing in the world since my friend farted in my ear while I was eating.
Why do I even bother...:(

SPLIT LIP 02-26-2013 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 110830)
It all add up by the end. Most Rider shows that try to make a grand mystery ends up having a lot of unanswered questions and plot holes. Agito has very few if any. It really gets going in the late 20s and early 30s. Basically, it's been set up all this time.
Well that's good to know. It's just the mystery stops being engaging when it's drawn out so long.

Again, twenty episodes and it feels like barely a thing has happened. It's like Kabuto all over again, except Agito doesn't make me want to punch my screen.

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Agito (And Kuuga, Ryuki, Faiz, and maybe Blade) is nothing like the Kamen Rider of today. Today it's about flashy effects and selling toys, but early Heisei was more about making a good story with good characters and good beat 'em up action. They stayed on the side of drama and mystery. Especially Kuuga and Agito.
Well, this is okay drama, and the beat 'em up action... kinda stinks to be honest.

I think the show is a bit too serious. So serious the silliness of Kamen Rider stands out a bit too much. Surfing his bike, a monster with a jellyfish on his head, pulling swords and shit out of his belt. These things contrast a bit too harshly against the melodrama, snail's pace plot and the fairly flat selection of characters.

The ''flashy effects'' and ''toy selling'' of modern series don't bother me as long as the story is well paced. I'm almost halfway through Agito and I still don't know a lot nor has a lot actually happened.

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Why do I even bother...:(
Don't blame me. Blame whoever taught her how to act.

Matrixbeast 02-26-2013 12:22 PM
If you can survive the first 10 episodes of "What the fuck?", Blade has a wonderful sense of drama without seeming overly melodramatic as well as nice action (Well, I enjoyed it).


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