Actually, it was between Episodes 13 and 14.

You guys had to be talking about OOO and W and got me thinking about Ws ending....

And MagiRed, if youre liking Fourze, you can like anything, it took a bit after Meteor to get me to stay interested. So more power to you on it! :lol

Really? I thought everything before Meteor was near perfection, and probably some of my all time favourite Rider stuff, then I thought it was all down hill from there.

I just couldnt get into the series at all. By the end it was a good series, but the beginning I just gave up around 14 and then finished after I finished W. :lol

Wow we're complete opposites, I thought Fourze was a terrible show by the end.

I still need to get back into W, and the longer I leave it, the more likely I'm going to have to watch those first ten or so episodes again that I didn't enjoy the first time around. Joy.

Realistically, the first ten episodes are world building and character establishing. If you've seen them and remember the characters at all, you're good to pick up where you left off. Plus, you're really close to the Movie War (Thanks KRX for reminding me where it takes place) and that's when the show hits it's stride. The movie is where the building plot points pay off and first delve into the backstory takes place, and introduces (or reintroduces) probably the most influencial character of the show.

Really, come to think of it, W has probably had the best treatment in movies for most Kamen Rider series. The Movie war 2010 portion is really good backstory and awesome stuff I won't mention because spoilers, Forever A-to-Z was amazing and the W half of War Core deserved it's own full length movie it was so good. (shame the OOO portion suuuuuucked. Seeing the two Riders team up was pretty awesome, though) Even Accel Returns is pretty good. Only Eternal's totally pointless movie stands out as teh odd one of the bunch.

Fourze only got better as it went in my eyes.

We must be complete opposites. I loved W from start to finish. :lol It is my favorite series aside from OOO and Den-O.

After Meteor got introduced, thats how I was. :lol

Thing is, I kind of agree with both of you. I really liked W all the way through, but the first ten episodes are a STARK contrast to the series overall. Not so much in tone, but just in quality. The of-the-week stories are way better compared to early on. I liked the first ten episodes, but comparring them to later on I don't find them as good. But even the best shows can have wonky starts. Barring few examples, Batman TAS didn't get really good until about Two-Face. (remember how the famously dark and edgy Batman show that revolutionaized cartoons had a daffy Adam West-style Christmas romp as it's second episode?)

My theory on Rider series is that the first ten or so episodes, while important narratively, are deffinitely more... kid focused. That's when they're usually pushing product, so there's lots of CGI fights, gimmicks and shit happening to establish what's on shelves. Like Revolgarry gets out of the house WAY more often in the early episodes. And the Hardsplasher, boy that's a vital piece of equipement. I think the Movie War was it's last apperance come to think of it. And look at the Den Liner in Den-O. Imagin go out of control way more often when there's new trains coming out, as it happens.

Ryuusei.. The episode where killed gentaro.. The Feels..