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Wait - Hana? Like, main character on the show Hana?

Well. Uh. I guess compounding just how much you're not enjoying this last stretch, getting the major plot twist of the final episode spoiled to you right before you watch it sure is fitting

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Apologies, I thought that was the last episode. I was absolutely 100% certain of it, in fact, or I would never have said anything.

A thousand apologies! Sorry, Die, I kinda ruined things for you.

Edit: I've decided that is unacceptable and have request that account be deleted. I can't bare to show my virtual face around here again. I'll probably still be reading. Thanks for all the insightful thoughts and sorry again for ruining your experience.

I honestly don't mind? I know it wasn't done maliciously (you were trying to help me understand a very confusing plot), and I probably should've put the pieces together myself. Apology accepted!

EDIT: Oh shit, please don't delete your account! I 1000% do not want that to happen! Oh god!

Hey, folks. Let's talk about spoilers.

(I am truly stressing out that this thread is going to cause someone to stop posting on these boards, and writing is a fun way to trick my mind into not being so anxious.)

I talk a lot in the beginning of these threads about my aversion to spoilers. I don't read the Wiki, I don't watch some Next Episode previews, I try not to know anything about a show. My preference is not to know about plot points before they happen on the shows.

But, like, it's just a preference. It's not destroying my enjoyment to get stuff a little ahead of time. If I really wanted to stay 100% unspoiled on a show, there's a bulletproof solution: I do not post on the boards while I watch things. But I'm willing to trade a little bit of spoilers for the chance to discuss these shows with all of you.

Because, god, I'm asking a whole lot, and I know it. I couldn't even post in a discussion about Kabuto right now without accidentally ruining something, and that's a show I watched earlier this year. Remembering exactly what reveal happens on which episode? When you haven't watched them in years? And I'm not exactly bending over backwards to describe what episode we're on? Shit's going to fall through the cracks! I get it! It's fine!

No one has ever maliciously tried to spoil anything, which would probably be my red line. Minor hiccups are going to happen; god knows I'd be even worse at it than y'all. It's not a big deal, and no one ever needs to feel bad about it.

I was watching a TV show episode recently. It was about a superhero that rides a train and helps people. (ToQger? It'll come to me.) When everyone thought a friend of theirs had betrayed them and that betrayal was unforgivable, this hero wouldn't think like that. He tried to remind his frustrated friends that one action doesn't negate all the good someone does, and it's not greater than the good they did. We don't judge people by their recent mistakes, we judge people by the entirety of their actions. One mistake isn't worth throwing away a friendship.

I've said it before, but I consider all of you friends. Giving me the opportunity to talk about these shows with you is way better than the enjoyment of watching even the best Kamen Rider episodes. (DEN-O! That was the name of the show. Knew it would come back to me.) I will never care less about any of you for dropping an accidental spoiler, and I would never want you to think less of yourselves.

These shows... they're just TV shows. Who cares. You're my friends, and I want you to be okay. I want that so much more than watching Kamen Rider.

Maybe a little foreshadowing in the preceding two episodes and bigger stakes than a few mere Moles would have resolved this problem and made Kintaros' and Urataros' heroic sacrifices even more heroic, as they are dramatic? I guess that might have worked a little better, considering Kai is supposed to be going all out on his plan.

Thanks! Or maybe that's not such a good thing. :p

Isn't that a contradiction, to say that the youngest viewer shouldn't be deceived but Ryutaros is, due to his youthfulness? Urataros is a self-proclaimed liar, so even though the deception was also a lie, it was something he warned them about in advance that they shouldn't trust him.

Tomorrow is today now, so Tanjoubi Omedetou!

Hey dude, you don't need to go that far. I also make mistakes, you know? I'm glad you called me out that time, since I felt pretty bad about that for the rest of the day. This kind of thing happens sometimes when people get excited about upcoming plot twists.

Maybe? I'm at this weird place where intellectually, Kin's actions all add up, but emotionally it's just not getting to the place of Final Sacrifice for me. Like, Kin opting to stay behind to hold off the Moles so that Ryotaro can rescue his sister, even if there's a better solution, that's completely a Kintaros move. But there's just something about it that pales in comparison to Kin's first story, and him going into the past to save Honjou. That story felt tragically heroic, and this one had me thinking You Will Just Jump On Any Grenade. It didn't feel like a heroic choice, it felt like an expedient choice, and the show's inability to separate the two is where they lost me.

Fair! That is a contradictory expectation. I guess there's a difference between the limited information a character has (like Ryutaros) and the more detailed information the viewer has, and it makes it difficult for me to see how any viewer would think Ura has been working them for a year. Luckily, the show tips its hand quick enough for it to not really be a big deal.