Gee, I wonder what sparked this little addition :rolleyes
Sorry for going so overboard on the Kabuto vs. Decade one :lol

Anyway, before I vote and start Rage Triggering, I'm gonna have to think about this one.

This is like the Numerical Motif poll 2.0. Since, basically, W was a non-factor in that poll as well.

Are we assuming Ankh is in the background somewhere throwing Eiji his coins and telling him which combos to use?

You gotta remember in Megamax, during the fight with the Masquerade Dopants, Waste Yummy and Dustards, Eiji fought by himself with no assistance from Ankh, so no, Ankh is not helping him in this battle

I know, just throwing a little dig out there ;)

Man.....I had my whole reasoning typed out here but then I got the "sever is too busy" message and lost it all.

Well, then. Long story short. I'm horribly horribly biased towards OOO and that's why I voted for him. All of his random and full combos I think have more versatility than Decade and the 9 riders that preceded him.

I am going with OOO because from what wonderful show he can have all of his main combos on at the same time. Plus I feel like each the combos could match or counter powers Decade would have.

OOO wins for me too. His super TaToBa can keep up with Decade's Kabuto and accel form Faiz. He can Fight at close range thanks to his medajalibur or tiger claws or Eel whips etc.. And can fight long range with his Stag lightning and Taja spinner or even the gun form of Medagabryu so he can counter pretty much any of Decade's rider changes/ability cards etc

Oh and he has an awesome bike/vending machine/Robo lion thing =]

I'm going to go with OOO's as well. As RiderSkyward pointed out already, OOO's seems to have a core combo that can counter whatever form Decade changes into. Add in the fact that with the GataKiriBa combo he can duplicate himself tenfold and it seems Decade has his hands full...literally (if I remember correctly, the clones aren't any weaker than Eiji which definitely gives him a boost). On top of that, Super TaToBa being able to stop time is just plain awesome :D

As much as I hate to say it, I think OOO's wins in this one. The more powerful powers that Decade has rely on the others Riders being there, but since that was eliminated in the description, I think OOO's would take him. Though it would probably be closer than some might think.

Still going Decade. Even if using all the clones, Faiz blaster form could take them out, since he can pull the ultimate forms, he can use hyper clock up then, so that counters time, turn into Ryuki Survive and use his bike in dragon form for extra firepower...despite the multipul forms Decade is still able to get a leg up. I'm sure even hibiki's ultimate attack would take out the multipul forms, plus you have Blades iron form for defense...and of course clock up/accel for the speed...

Decade for me all the way...

Nope! :D
Decade gets their Finisher Move and only their finisher move, and he does't transform when he uses complete, but he briefly summons them to perform their finishing move! Decade has no access to Hyper Clock Up.
The attacks Decade would get from Kabuto would be Hyper Kick, Maximum Hyper Typhoon, or Maximum Hyper Cyclone.
From Ryuki Survive, he'd get the Survive version of the Dragon Rider Kick or a gigantic flaming slash from his sword.

You're entire battle strategy falls apart because Decade Complete doesn't transform himself.

errr...Decade's writers would change the script mid production, then make another movie that would totally prove that wrong...and ummm...err...ahh...LOOK IT'S TACKLE! ISN'T SHE CUTE!

*runs*

Pretty much what Decade's writers were banking on when they made that movie :lol

This is a toughy - especially since I don't remember how I voted last time these two went up against each other. Both are highly versatile, both need external items to change forms, and both are decent but not great fighters. I think... hmm... shit, who did I vote for last time?

Decade?

Okay, voting for Decade. Because consistency.

And at least his watered down knock off of Godai Yusuke was a different dude and not the main Rider himself (yeah, still going there).

So far, Decade has 3 votes and OOO has 5.

WHEN YOU VOTE, ALSO STATE YOUR REASON WHY. AS IN AN ACTUAL LEGITIMATE REASON, NOT JUST "HE'S STRONG JUST BECAUSE HE'S HIM"

I'm voting for OOO.
After a little deliberation, I determined that Decade's various Rider forms can be countered by OOO's forms.
While only OOO's combos get the additional powers, OOO's versatility with the medals pretty much score him the victory. While OOO lacks a real projectile (Aside from TaJaDol's fireballs, he doesn't have much in terms of distance fighting, since the Kuwagata's lightning isn't concentrated and just sprays electricity around him, Unagi's whips can only reach so far, the MedaGabryu's gun/cannon mode and Gorilla's arm shot is only really used as a finisher, and the only thing else he has is the Tora Ridevendor's medal gun thing), various combos pretty much allow him to close any distance Decade could try to put between them.
Clock up and Faiz Accel are countered by LaToraTah's super speed, and Illusion is countered by GataKiriBa's cloning.

Close range, Decade could get an advantage using strong and agile Riders, like Kuuga, but I don't think he could get in any game changing blows.
I think this would be a close match, but Eiji is just fighting for more (And Eiji's desire directly fuels the medals' strength).

NOTE: This is all under the assumption that card uses and medal swaps are all free actions, meaning that Decade wouldn't slap the medals out of OOO's hands and OOO wouldn't kick the cards out of Decade's, etc.

I've voting Decade. It would be an extremely close battle, but I don't underestimate Decade's drive to find his place in the multiverse. Eiji may be fuelled by desire, but if Tsukasa saw him standing in the way of his goal and I don't think he would back down either.

That's just me though.

I might as well tell you my vote and reason, since you all know who I'd pick.

OOO
Reason: Let's see them fight in this scenario:

They first fight in their standard forms, then Decade switches to Kuuga then Agito to attack, before getting a bit cocky and switching to Ryuki to summon Dragredder then Kiva Bashaa and Kuuga Pegasus to shoot at OOO. OOO at that time switches into GataKiriBa to corner and attack Decade by multiplying. Realizing that he'll need to distance himself, Decade switches to Faiz Axel, then tries to run. OOO turns into RaToraTah and chases after him. The two then get into a high speed battle, before Decade realizes he'll need strength to fight OOO off. He'll switch into Kuuga Titan or Den-O Axe form and try to hit OOO, who'll run around and switch into SaGoZo. Using SaGoZo's gravity controlling powers, OOO will trap Decade's legs in the ground. As he runs up to deliver a devastating punch, Decade will turn into Blade and use Metal to soften the blow, then turn into Hibiki and breathe fire into OOO's face. OOO switches to TaJaDor and returns fire, resulting in an explosion. Decade will turn into RX's Bio Rider form and hide in the water in an attempt to do a sneak attack. OOO does the same by turning into ShaUTa and finding Decade via Shachi's echolocation abilities. He'll then use the Unagi Whips to shock them both, knocking them both into their base forms out of the water. Decade turns into Kabuto and activates Clock Up, but OOO goes Super TaToBa and stops time, negating Clock Up. Decade realizes he needs to go all out and turns into Complete form. As he takes off the K Touch to press onto a rider symbol to summon back up, OOO turns into PuToTyra and freezes Decade's arms and Legs, before finishing him off with a blast from the Medagabryu and a slash powered by all the cell medals he has in him.

If you're wondering why Decade doesn't just stop OOO's Combo Changes, that's because the transformation creates a barrier that shields OOO from attacks

The only thing I would potentially question is 'your' scenario is that you think in the time it takes Decade to take the K-Touch off, push 2 buttons and change, OOO's could take his metals out, turn into Putotyra and attack him. To my knowledge, OOO's doesn't have any sort of light-speed correct?

You gotta remember the time it takes for Decade to turn into Complete form, he needs to press all of the symbols to change, and then take the DecaDriver off and put it into the side. OOO going into PuToTyra takes less time, as they just eject out of his body and knock the cores in his driver out. It's a matter of the time it takes for them to switch forms that factors what I said

My bad. Was reading 'your' scenario as if he had already turned.

But even so, I still think your over-estimating the time for Decade and under-estimating the time for OOO. But that's just my opinion.

I have to go with OOO. For every trick Tsukasa can come up use, Eiji has a response. Not to mention GataKiriBa>Have clones Henshin into other combos.

Another reason why I think OOO's change into PuToTyra will take less is because he doesn't always need to grab his scanner. There are times where the purple cores' influence cause the scanner to scan them without Eiji grabbing it. He could charge at Decade while this happens, and get in a close enough range to freeze him

Question: Have you compared the times?

Okay, rewatched MW2010 and saw how fast Decade can change. But I do have a counter for that- Eiji's Greeed form. He could just switch to it to do the freeze, then go PuToTyra

I compared both their first appearence times. Decade was actually a second or two faster. But that's not the fastest I remember them going. That is what I plan on doing later tonight (though I'm not quite sure why Haha).

I think I'm going with Decade simply based on his Gekijotai killing every other rider singlehandedly, also because he can summon every other riders ultimate form at once (in the hyper battle DVD) although really it's hard to tell who would win if we don't know how they actually go about the tactics of the battle, as one could easily say ooo wins by turning into LaGoriTa blinds Decade and smashes him with a super-speed super-punch, when another says decade turns into complete summons All Riders Ultimate forms and annihilates him with final attack ride, but that's going way too far into it, so... whatever. I think I took things a bit too far. Oh well, hey, you know what would be cool Decade-Kabuto uses Clock Up against Super TaToBa's time manipulation!

I love your avatar. :rock:

But you're assuming that he has control over his greed form. Which he doesn't. When he fought Ankh on the beach he was mindless.

What about when he and the Births fought against Maki? He knew that he could use it against Maki, but was held back by the Births

Looking at the times Decade turned in Complete, his longest time to transform (either premiere of form or 2nd time) was around 20 seconds. His quickest was around 10 seconds. He is also able to transform and go right into an Ultimate form of another rider without having to hit all the buttons, which took about 7 seconds to transform and for the Rider (in this case Ryuki) to materialize. Will look at the OOO's transformations later.

Okay, watched the amount of time it takes for OOO to go into PuToTyra, and to Greeed, and from Greeed to PuToTyra
The first time he transformed, it took him 16 seconds (from when the medals went into the driver to finishing the henshin)

The fastest time to turn into PuToTyra (From Episode 47) takes 9 seconds

The fastest time to go from PuToTyra to Greeed (Also from Ep 47) takes 4 seconds

The fastest time it takes for him to go from Greeed to PuToTyra (Also from 47) is 2 Seconds

I think we can all agree that Toku shows generally disregard henshin times. I think that's irrelevant to this discussion honestly.

I've waited to vote so that I could post a legitimate reason for my vote for Decade. I know alot of people think Decade shouldn't win because he's an illogical, overpowered, ridiculous, fan wank character. However I think that's pretty much why I love him :lol

That being said I think he would win against OOO simply based on his determination and lack of the same emotions which Eiji has. Eiji is a powerful, emotional, headstrong rider. OOO is still one of my top favorite rider shows and every time I see Eiji reappear in any way I can't help but smile. If Fourze is the buddy of all the riders then OOO is their goofball lovable older brother. Decade is (sometimes) cold, ruthless, powerful, determined, and relentless. If OOO is the lovable older brother then Decade is that dickish step brother that was forced upon you.

OOO may have the ability to change into multiple forms and tons of combos based on each set of medals but I still think that Decades' ability to use complete form and summon final form riders still trumps Eiji. Decade will relentlessly fight using every final form rider and attack ride that he needs to in order to win. OOO could very well lose control at any time to the purple medals in his body and become a mindless greed (he is not often shown to be in control of that form).

Haha, I like your description of Decade XD. And thanks for submitting a reason for your vote, not many people who voted did that lol.

Nice comparison :lol

Anyway, Eiji losing control would probably be one of his best advantages. He's ruthless and destructive when the Purple medals take over, completely removing his morals and inhibitions towards taking the final blow towards non-Yummies.

I'm voting OOO. He can suitably counter anything that Decade can come up with, including Clock Up or Faiz Accel. That's a winner in my book.

Ahh but Tsukasa already doesn't have those morals. He doesn't need to lose control to be ruthless :)

True, he's a dick who doesn't care about morals lol

And what you said earlier made me think of the Heisei riders as a family:

Kuuga- The older brother who doesn't wanna be here (based on his actor saying he didn't like his role)
Agito- The brother who forgets his own name (due to him losing his memories)
Ryuki- The brother who's a tattle-tale (due to him being a journalist trainee)
Faiz- The brother who's a picky eater
Blade- The brother who's willing to protect
Hibiki- The traditional musical brother
Kabuto- The dickish brother that was forced upon you
Den-O- The brother with the multiple personality disorder
Kiva- The brother who's socially awkward
Decade- The dickish stepbrother that was forced upon you
Double- The twins who share the same mind, but are total opposites
OOO- The goofball lovable older brother
Fourze- The little brother who wants to be friends with everybody

Nah, ignore what Joe Odagiri may or may not have said about Kamen Rider. Kuuga is totally the awesome older brother that you look up to and idolize, but who's still cool enough to take you to sports games and buy you ice cream or whatever else it will take to make sure you're always happy. :thumb:

Damn it. I was going to vote OOO. I really was. But then the more I thought about it, I think Decade could actually pull it off. OOO always wanted to protect the people. Decade could give 2 shits whether what he was doing would harm anyone. I think the ruthlessness, in this case, is helpful for Decade.