I liked the idea that was ment to be more stable controlled super saiyan God but this in SSJ in there you get the title of the new for. So much Akira saying going not going super saiyan no more.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan feels like a mouthful to say. I would like something like Beyond Super Saiyan God or Super Saying God 2 like Kiryu said.

I still vote for calling it Mastered Super Saiyan God.

I still want to see the movie. I seems like the movie's biggest flaws are the big continuity errors like Gohan unable to go mystic and Freeza having a body in Hell when Goku after the Cell games says regular people and bad guys are only spirits which makes it sound like they don't have bodies at all. I hope Toriyama will explain things better in a new interview.

I don't wanna be that guy but all these SSJ forms are a little ridiculous imo.

I simply can't forget Old Kai's words in all this Super Saiyan madness:

"Transforming is no solution.".

He was so right all along...

I still remember when the first form was supposed to be a big deal.

Just like Akira said in last interview where he said goku want be need to go in to other forms

Oh yeah. And as much as I like the exaggerated transformations with lots of angry screaming and thunder and stuff, the first time wasn’t a big deal. He went from black to blond in one panel, just like that.

It's not like Toriyama didn’t do this later on himself, but imagine how different Dragonball would be if the transformation would've been really rare and clean like that.

With Super Saiyan God I honestly thought they got this right. Okay, the ritual was a big cliche, but hey: Once transformed he looked basic again and the fighting was a lot of fun.

I expect to like Revival of F too, but damn these transformations are so ridiculously bad. Blue-haired Super Saiyan, Golden Frieza... bah.

Frieza especially still disappoints me so much, Coolers fifth form is so awesome and Frieza's just... bodypainted. I get the idea that he's supposed to be a Super Saiyan of his own race, but... meh.

PS. I can't be the only one who was constantly confused as a kid about Goku turning Super Saiyan in the intro from the very first episode, and realized "Oh, that's what it's supposed to be!" after he first did it in the show.

As a matter of fact I saw toys of Super Saiyan 3 before I saw the form in the show and thought Raditz would come back, become Super Saiyan and help Goku. Because he has the halo and wears his brother clothes. My my, what a mastermind I was back then. But I also thought Bardock was alternate-universe-evil-Goku, don't blame past-me for having too much fantasy instead of using logic. Because you would blame present-me too.

It seems to be a common trend that when you start bring a new powerup you have to hype it so much to make it seem good, only for it to be beaten by the next eventual powerup.

Of course this is what happens with most shounen series that go on for this long. Probably going to get something like super saiyan god super saiyan 2 in a couple years time from now.

Dull look, stupid name, weak concept.
Fingers crossed it at least makes for a cool fight scene in the actual movie.

I don't mind Freeza's new form now. People thought to see a form similar to Coola's 5th form and huge hulk forms like Coola's 5th form is not really Toriyama's style. Huge hulk forms are always a Toei thing which is why Garlic Jr, Super 13, Broly and Bojack have similar looking transformations.

...I think at this point Toriyama would try to pull a stunt like that.

I just wish we could go back to the good ol' days of the original dragonball.

Cooler was designed by Toriyama. Both his base form and the evolved one.

Let him try, I'll sue him for plagiarism! :D

You know why I like SSJ4 so much?

He would be the ideal design for an adult Goku if Toriyama didn’t decide to go into space and make him an alien, and instead focus more on mythological stuff. Goku would grow to be the king of the apes, hence growing fur and wild hair. And the evil Dragons would still be a perfect end to the series, since it is named "Dragonball".

But yeah the original Dragonball kicked ass, I still like Z more though.

Dragonball was a really great series, I still enjoy more dragonball z more though.

You know that is a cool reason to like ssj4 form, I like thinking it through that way and I have never thought it through that much.

I liked both dragonball and z, still not particularly fond of Gt though.

That's a pretty awesome way to think about SSJ4.

The Shadow Dragons was the best saga in GT in my opinion but it could have been much better in my opinion. The saga should have everyone go around to fight each seven Shadow Dragon and not just Goku and Pan. Not to mention all of the Shadow Dragons where pretty lame expect for Shu Xing Long (Nova Shenron) and San Xing Long (Eis Shenron). I think one of the biggest issue with GT for me was that show focus too much on Goku and Pan. Everyone else felt like jobbers to me.

That was an issue in Z too though.

What? Replace Pan with Vegeta and you have how Z handled it's character's...
Regardless of how hard the series tried to make Piccolo and Gohan relevant, they always failed at the last second and let Goku or Vegeta handle the big threats.

Hmmm. I never thought of SSJ4 like that. While I always liked the look of it your thoughts on SSJ4 have real merit to them.

I felt like DBZ didn't have the same issue as bad as GT did in my opinion. In DBZ, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks (both Future and Present) and Goten had their own roles on the story without focusing too much other then Goku. What about GT is that everyone always got their ass kick expect for Goku. Uub was made to be the next projector of Goku which is why Goku left to train with him and he always lost in GT. He lost to Bebi Vegeta, Super 17 and Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron).

If Toriyama makes a new movie set after DBZ movie then I hope he gets the treatment that Uub deserves.

Ok, just want to clear up something. I just got home from the premier, and all Goku says is "This is a form of Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God". There is no name for the form given in the film.

But Freeza actually calls himself "Golden Freeza", which makes me laugh.

A new TV series called "Dragon Ball Super" is coming out this summer. Unlike GT, The story and characters will be developed by original manga author Akira Toriyama.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/04/28...nced-for-2015/

Not sure what to think about that, honestly. I hope it is a story driven show like Battle of Gods was and not non-stop action that Resurrection F is supposed to be.

However, in all honesty, I'd rather have a Crystal/Brotherhood/Ultimate adaptation of the entire manga.

Haven't ever seen Dragon Ball or care enough about it, but isn't that what Kai is supposed to be? Or am I missing something?

You're just trolling right? :lol Have you seen Kai? That's literally what it is already, no filler, just plot. Why on Earth would we need something else EXACTLY like that?

It sounds pretty interesting. With when it's set it opens a lot of doors for stories. It would be cool to see Goku training Uub and how the other Z Warriors are growing up and defending the planet and such without the aid of Goku.

If nothing else, I liked that there actually was repercussions for them abusing the Dragon Balls so much in Z.

I think Kain wants a remake that with brand new animation and starts from DB with Kid Goku and ends with Goku leaving with Uub. The problem with that is that we seen the story a million times before. I rather see new ideas then retell the same story or rehash things that they where done before it.

I'm looking forward on what Toriyama comes with Super. I hope Tarble (Vegeta's brother) and Jaco show up in Super. Traveling through the 12 worlds mention by Beerus at the end of Battle of Gods sounds cool. It will be like DBZ's version of Decade :lol.

I don't know what I want from a new DB series.
I just hope it's good. And includes Broly.

Y'know, at this point I do feel kinda bad for GT

It keeps getting more and more irrelevant with each new series/movie...

Toei listed that "Direct sequel to Dragon Ball Z, the series will bring together all the characters and tell their adventures after Son Goku’s fierce battle against Majin Buu". So either the show will take place after the death of Freeza in Revival of F or take place after Goku leaves with Uub.

Uub needs a proper treatment since GT kinda ruin him for me since he did nothing but got his ass kick in that show. He almost beat Bebi Vegeta before he got turn into candy then he lost to Super 17 and Omega Shenron. It would be cool if Super gives Uub a major role with him being Goku's student.

I don't see how that was a bad thing when GT is dislike by most fans. I would rather have them new original and fresh stories then revisit GT again. GT was a big let down to me when I was a kid since I bough a bootleg copy of the show before it aired in the US back in 2002 and the show is still painful for me to watch now. GT had nothing going for it for me expect for the Shadow Dragons and SSj4. Everything else felt like rehashes of other old ideas from the past.

Yeah me too. Both Kami and Old Kai told us extensive usage of the Dragonballs would mess up time & space among other horrible things, but at the end there was no consequence and the Dragonballs weren't really important anymore. Which is kinda stupid if you remember the title of the freakin story. That's why I like GT's idea so much. Sure, the execution could've been a lot better, but I really like the idea of the Shadowdragons being incarnations of the tainted Dragonballs, and each one takes on the embodiment of the one wish that tainted the Dragonball they spawned from.

I hope the new show has a different take on this, as well as a focus on new or underrepresented characters. I would like to see stories out of Oob's time during training with Goku and the adventures he experiences, much like Goku's story when he was training under Muten Roshi,

I like the idea of over using the Dragon Balls giving birth to evil dragons but I wish it was done better. The other dragons felt like that they where just throw in their without any proper development and just to be killed off by Goku. Omega Shenron is our final villain of the show and gets no character development or build up to his appearance compare to Freeza, Cell and Buu. I like the fire and ice shadow dragons (their names escapes me at the moment), but everyone was just meh at best.

*shamefaced*I liked the girl dragon.

Oh god SSG Gohan, Gotenks and Pan is gonna be a thing isn't it?

No, that is NOT Kai. Why does everyone keep thinking that?

Kai did not include Goku as a kid, meeting Bulma, Roshi, Yamucha, etc for the first time, fighting Pilaf, the Red Ribbon Army, Piccolo Daimaou, entering in the tournaments, etc.

Also, Kai still had Bulma and Ginyu switching bodies. It still featured Gregory the Grasshopper.

Kai's music was jacked up due to the criminal.

The Freeza/Goku battle was still dragged out for way too many episodes.

Boo still retains half of its filler, has been cropped into 16x9, and has a green tint over the video.

Also, in the Jp version, voices no longer match every character. Some were changed and some just don't sound like that character anymore.

What I want is something that is all 519 chapters of the manga in new animation with no filler, no stretched out fights, no changing of the music midway through and having old music randomly thrown in, voices that stay consistent, etc. For example, the Goku/Freeza fight is only 19 chapters, so it should only be 2-3 episodes at the max. Boo is only 99 chapters, so it shouldn't be more than 40 episodes long, if that.

I just don't see what more they can add to this series that DB hasn't already done as there are just way too many forms and power levels. I guess if anything, I want to see the multiverse Beers talked about at the end of BoG.

I really am excited to see this new show.