Gremlin is a character that takes the shadow manipulator too far. There's having an agenda that requires you to stay hidden, but his actions are one step off from having no rhyme or reason.
I understand that he's supposed to be mysterious and all will be revealed by the end, but that doesn't change that I find him to be grating and a dull character (He might giggle constantly, but that doesn't make him any more interesting to watch).

The Den-O movies, in order, are I'm Born (Which occurs in series), Climax Deka (Post series crossover with Kamen Rider Kiva), and Final Countdown (The last Den-O movie to have Satou play Ryotaro).

There's also Cho Den-O and Decade, a crossover movie with Decade (It occurs during Decade's series).

The Cho Den-O Trilogy is the last of the Den-O movies* (Though, Episode Yellow is about Kaito/Diend, a Kamen Rider Decade character).

*Let's Go top bills Den-O, so it's technically a Den-O movie, too

Excellent, thanks! So Cho Den-O and Decade, when should I give that a watch? I haven't seen any ads in the intro for it?

That's a Decade movie (Despite him barely playing a role in it).
You won't see ads for that until you start watching his series.

In all honesty, you don't need to watch Decade to understand Cho Den-O and Decade, but a story line involving Tsukasa (KR Decade) and Sieg in Decade (The series) ties directly into it.

Den-O 46: Ouch, right in the feels.

47: OH GOD RIGHT IN THE NADS. (extra-feels)

Kintaros' "death" was certainly sad, he was a great character and to go down fighting in a blaze of glory is always touching, as was his motivation. I only wish it had been built up a bit better, or at the very least been the focus of the episode, rather than half of it. Also it was cool as hell seeing him use the... driver? Is it called that in this series? Well, the belt. It was cool to see him use the belt. Also, Imagin under contract can't board the Denliner? What about Deneb?

Double posting, but since it's to post the last two Den-O eps, I feel it's worth it. Besides, I have a lot to say. The third Rider series I've ever completed.

48: I'm just gonna say it, Leonardo's last hurrah really felt cheap. It was literally just Kintaros' but without the same weight or minimal forthought. I can't say I'm happy about the same basic scene being replayed and them expecting the same emotional return, ESPECIALLY when it makes no sense. He's fighting three goons, the only three goons on Denliner, kills them, then a magical army appears. How? Where? I dunno. The entire thing with Airi is cool in concept, but I feel is very, very random. There was so much twisting and turning. This show basically had no overarching plot for about thirty solid episodes, now we're swimming in convoluted plotlines, character motivations, timelines and ideas. The best part is the whole "Rotorstorm needs to forget the baby in order to keep it safe." That's a pretty cool idea... except if he forgets the baby how can the baby exist and become a future singularity point? This show has done one thing almost consistently: memories are time, and without them, the past will not exist. So that's why the only people to know of the baby had to forget/leave. So how is the baby still existing? I thought... ugh, this makes no sense.

49: Oh boy, Kai. What can I say about Kai except WHAT? How, I can't, I don't... he just, he just decides to destroy this era. No planning, no wiping out the singularity point or connecting times or anything, just wipe it out.

Kai...

Honey...

Baby...

Pumpkin pie...

Why didn't you just...

I dunno...

Do this before? Why'd you waste time with Imagins if you could just do what you wanted whenever? Why'd you need a specific time if you could just do your temporal tantrum whenever you felt like? The show basically retconned him as the entire reason Imagin are running around, and made all these random, senseless acts into some sort of contrived plan... that he just dumps out the window the second things get a bit too hard, at literally zero detriment to his overall goal. So basically, the entire conflict of this show was entirely pointless.

Wha-hat.

The heh-ell.

Whatever, the whole revelation with Hana was good. I saw it coming, and it certainly adds a cool dynamic to the show overall. Deffinately one of the cleverer moves. Leo and Kintaros coming back was expected, since we never saw them die. The best part, as usual, is Yuuto and Deneb. They were hardman fighters and the last card... man, Yuuto should've been the star of this show. Calling him a "secondary" rider is almost degrading for him. But you know who doesn't recive my praise?

Ryuutaros. For the sake of accurately describing my feelign son him I've earned to speel his name right, but that in no way equates the level of respect for teh character I have for Momotaros, Kintaros or Yuuto/Deneb. he feels utterly and totally pointless, and it's like the show is relaising that. No last stand for him, no shining character moment of loyalty and bravado like Momo and Deneb. He seems like something completely added and not very well. I know he's been in the show forever, but he serves no crucial purpose. Even his colour doesn't make sense. Purple is such a weird colour alongside red, yellow and blue. Speaking of weird Imagin, hi Seig. Have't seen you for a while. You're still dumb. And YES! Vega Form, I thought I'd never see you again. And I still wish your eyes were yellow, but who cares.

Also, that dark Imagin that Kai barfed up, he's kind of a letdown. He's just a big brute. I shall call him Nonotaros, because he looks like Momo if Momo played in wet cement. (because life's too short man, wet cement is begging to be messed up) That said, fuck that final attack was pretty neat. Though I felt the Imagin's little prank not only busted the emotion a bit, but was kind of cruely out of character. (Also why does Seig get to join in on teh hetero man-touching? But, it made for a good end and of course, the best was Yuuto finally eating the shitcake or whatever. I can't believe how much fun those two were.

So that was Den-O. It was a hell of a ride, and I don't say that often. Overall, while I'll ptrobably go into more detail later, I'd say this ranks up evenly with OOO for me because holy shit I have never been so invested in these characters. Yuuto is the best secondary rider I've ever seen, and maybe one of my favourite Kamen Riders ever. That said, there were some big-ass flaws. Even with it's more metphysical approach to time travel this show is a headache that can't follow it's own rules clearly. A lot, and I mean a lot of really random shit happens for purely thematic reasons. Much like Eiji, Ryoutaro doesn't feel like the focus as much as the title charatcer should. Unlike Eiji, though, this feels intentional, and he still feels as useful as he needs to be, unlike how Eiji often felt almost superfluous to the show at times. He's no Shotaro and Philip, but those are two characters who came after Ryoutaro and had a much different goal as a character. And Ryoutaro's relationship with Momotaros was easily the highlight of the charatcer, the only downside being it was almost dwarfed by the much more engaging, yet sadly not often as developed, relationship between Deneb and Yuuto.

Now the big question: which series next? Back to Agito, or a new series?

Yeah...I hated Kai too...I'm glad to see that you enjoyed it overall. I think the reason Hana still exists is because the Owner said that the events of the past do not effect the singularity point in question. i.e. if they die in the past, they'll still remain alive in the future. It kind of makes sense if you go by the Tenth Doctor's explaination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY_Ry8J_jdw

I also do agree with you that the characters are Den-O's strongest point.(and it was Shittake mushrooms that he was trying to get him to eat.)

EDIT: and to answer your question: the belt is just called the "Den-O Belt" they didn't start calling them "Drivers" until Decade.

EDIT 2:

Even though Ryotarou and Wataru barely interacted...

I'm glad you liked Den-O. It's a flawed series, but it's still so much fun.
I still think it's biggest flaw is that it's all fun wackiness for the first 2/3 of the show then spends the last chunk of episodes working in plots and story arcs and plot twists to have some sort of climax.

Doesn't change the fact that it's the first canon cross over between Heisei Riders (Agito vs. Ryuki was HBV, right?)

So before I go on to the next series, I'm gonna mow down those Den-O movies. First up is Climax Deka and, uh, the beginning is... interesting. Also, I feel like everyone should just go easy on the word "Evil Organization."

EDIT; Finished it, and I dunno, I didn't really like it? It seemed like it focused way to much on tehd etective angle, which would be okay... if this were a movie about W and had the smooth jazz music and cool thirties imagery and tone. But it's Den-O, and Den-O will be Den-O. Instead we get what can only be described as the most random-freaking-ass shift from Den-O along with some genuinely stupid things, like Momotaros using a shotgun. Wait, what? Okay, ignoring the complete and utter lunacy of that, isn't Momotaros a sword specialist and Ryuutaros a gun nut? Also, that entire plot with the cryign detective guy was pointless and annoying.

I cna only imagine how Kiva fans felt, though, considering he's barely freaking in it and has like, what, five lines? And to someone who knows nothing of Kiva... that hasn't changed. Kiva himself didn't do or say anything, he played a violin for a second which came out of nowhere, he just shows up at the end when his little bat guy flies around, then BOOM, dragon castle. (!?!?) And I though Denliner got crazy. And Negataros was a dumb villain. An inverted Momotaros (what kind of sense does that make) and sword form in purple. Holy shit man try to be less interesting, you're completely overshadowing all these other, much more interesting, characters.

I watched the First episode of Black and thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm downloading some others to try at the moment. Agito and OOO.

Den-O Final Countdown: Well, that was a thing. New Den-O is kind of lame. The design is okay, but it feels like the focus was misplaced. New Den-O was barely a factor in the movie overall. More time was spent with that Gaoh repaint. And really, for a form called "Skull form" and "Highjack form" they in no way evoke a skull or any kind of highjaking save that little doofy skull on the forehead.

I mean, Den-O's strength is it's characters, and they were better here than in Deka. So this is the last movie to have Ryoutaro's actor in it? Does he get recast or is the charatcer written out? What's Onishigamagaguy Warship? (For some reason it's attached to Final Countdown on youtube)

He gets turned into a child. Cho Kamen Rider Den-O & Decade Neo Generations: The Onigashima Warship is the "crossover" movie with Decade.

Then I guess I'm done with Den-O. :/

No one is ever truly finished with Den-O... Toei keeps resurrecting it.

I actually liked Final Countdown.

Anyway, yeah, Ryotaro's actor no longer appears. I think in Onigashima Warship (The official title is Cho Den-O And Decade: Onigashima Warship), they use Kotaro (The kid Ryotaro from the first Den-O movie, I'm Born) to explain it away.

You don't need to watch Decade to understand it (He kind of pulls a Kiva, just popping up for the Climax), though, but the scene with Sieg is explained away in Decade's series.

Oh, and you still have the Cho Den-O Trilogy, if you haven't watched those yet (Only Episode Yellow deals with a non Den-O character).

Nah, I think I'll give them a pass. I feel like ending on a high note, and considering Hana being de-aged was bad enough, replacing Ryoutaro with a kid is just bad news soup.

Well, Den-O isn't a main character in any of them (He appears, but Episode Red is about Zeronos, Blue is about New Den-O, and Yellow is about Diend), but it's your call. None of them are really "Good," but I found Blue to be watchable.

A movie about Zeronos is tempting, but none of them are really any good? Thats a shame.

Episode Red had a confusing ending. It doesn't help that it was the last time we saw Yuuto and Deneb. The Cho Den-O trilogy is on par with most Kamen Rider movies.

Matrix won't like this, but if I started caring about that I wouldn't love Goseiger :lol

I don't like Jan, so I gave on Gekiranger and decided to go back to watching Kabuto.

Did I not state that I was on the "I like Goseiger" bus?

Anyway, I'm trying not to explode in anger.
So...Yeah. I can't figure out a proper way to end this post without being incredibly rude.

You have a wildly different reaction to this film than most people. In general it's the most beloved of all the Den-O films. New Den-O was a great suit and Teddy is an awesome Imagin. Skull Form is named as such because of the Ghost Imagin that uses it when he posses Ryutaro. Hijack Form is named as such because that guy literally hijakced the belt.

Ryutaro wasn't written out either. He bailed. His actor, Takeru Satoh, wanted to pursue other avenues in his career. So in the following films they bring back the actor who played the very young Ryutaro from the first movie to play the character. They explain it away briefly as someone having messed with his personal timeline. Onigashima Warship is the movie that takes place immediately after the Den-O crossover episodes of Decade and gives some massive back story for Zeronos. It's a great film as well.

Eh.

I'm glad someone agrees with me.

And Kotaro gets better as the movies go on. He was a jerk in this one...and Negataros does have some design differences if you look closely.

I didn't mide Final Countdown, I actually didn't like Climax Deka as much.

Man...I still need to watch the Chou Den-O trilogy...I know I don't have to, but since I'm watching Decade currently anyway, I would rather wait until I get to that point in the series.

Only Episode Yellow occurs in Decade's story, featuring Kaito. You can watch Red and Blue before finishing Decade.

Anyway, Episode Red (Zeronos) was boring, to me, while Episode Yellow (Diend) was dumb.
Blue was pretty good, though. Well, I enjoyed it.

Were you? I honestly can't remember.

And I didn't mean anything by what I said, I was just kidding :lol Geki isn't horrible. Jan is just.. really odd.

I ranked it 4th best series I've seen, and having tested the waters with Go-Onger and Dairanger since making that post, it's still 4th.

And I stuck through Gosei despite Eri and Alata and Datas and the Warstar and the entire Matrintis who wasn't named Metal Alice. Surely you can weather Jan.

Teddy, to me, was just there. He barely said a word, and didn't look impressive at all, and acted basically like a really quiet, out of the way Deneb. (which is kind of boring) He's not bad at all, but the most interesting thing about him is how he looks like a neat mishmash of Den-O's Imagin. Strike form is also okay. It's a fine suit, but the shoulder stuff is weird. Skull form and Hijack form make more sense now, but in regards to Hijack, that's kind of a weird reason for a name. If I, I dunno, dropped the belt and then wore it, would I be Fumble form?

The movie wasn't bad at all, but it was unspectacular to me. Though the standout bits were everybody getting a belt (even Seig because why the hell not he just kind of shows up, dun'he?) which was awesome, even if it was one big all-at-once Henshin and not one-by-one in an epic rollcall, and Owner on the bike. That man is just hysterical.

Then I guess I'll give it a try. No skin off my back if I don't like it, eh? Besides, I love Zeronos.

Yeah, he's got weird horns now, but he's just Momotaros in his ninja gear.

Oh yeah, because Jan is the only character in all of GekiRanger. Nevermind Rio and Mele.

Anyway, I have never watched any of the Den-O movies. I got so sick of Den-O that when the series ended, I was happy to forget about it.

I can see where he's coming from, though. Jan really turned me off watching Gekiranger at least three times. It was only after ignoring him that I started to really appreciate the series, and eventually Jan became quite endearing too.

I guess I see Jan as being no different than Luffy in One Piece, so he never bothered me. That and he grew up in the jungle, so it fits his character.

Oh, come on.
Eri is a brain dead moron, and I watched every episode of Goseiger in the span of a week.
Datas...Exists. And I still made it through.

I can understand why Jan can be annoying, but not dropping the entire series over it.

Of course he's not worth dropping the entire series over, but he is a strong temptation to do so. :lol

It's like there's this series everyone praises as being darker and more serious and suddenly you have the most cliched Jungle Boy character ever. Granted, he becomes way more than a stereotypical Jungle Boy throughout the series (due to the series' excellent character development) but you just don't get that impression at first.

What Gekiranger suffers from is a poor introduction, I feel. It doesn't automatically grab you in, compared to most other introductory episodes I've seen in Super Sentai.

I will agree with that. In fact, I did not really like GekiRanger until the fourth episode.

So can we keep the Super Sentai discussion out of the Kamen Rider thread, please?

Sentai started it.

I actually did not notice that it was the Kamen Rider thread until after I posted my post. :p

Pretty much, yeah :lol

Don't worry, it happens. I've done that before. In fact, I thought I was reading the Sentai discussion but it turned out I was on the wrong tab.

OOO is busy with RL, someone had to pick up the derailment slack :lol

Back to Kamen Rider. Nine and Ten of Kabuto are down. And I think I'm finally understanding how the Zector Animals work. They aren't normal Drivers like Fourze and W. The animals have to choose you, and your particular cause, to allow you to use them. Which was why when Yaguruma injured his own Shadow ZECTroopers in his madness to stop Decade, TheBee left him for Kagami. He broke his Ideals.

Shame to. I know Kagami becomes Gatack later on, but I liked TheBee. So I hope it gets used again soon. Though why it's Change Wasp and he's called TheBee I still have absolutely no idea. And once again Tendou trolled Kagami hard. Though I understand his reasoning, I think. He wasn't trolling him to be a troll, he was trolling him to metaphorically slap Kagami upside the head and help him find what it is he's fighting for. What his ideals are. To blindly follow ZECT orders, or find his own Path. Grandma said: Be an asshole, but only if it helps Kagami without seeming like it's helping Kagami.

Because Tendou's Grandmother was a weird chick.

Because Tendou's grandma knows that Kagami is the real main character. :lol

Decade episode 3:

I thought it was pretty ok. I don't like how they didn't explain how Yuuske got the Arcle. Taking that scene out of context would make it seem like Narutaki gave it to him. Speaking of Narutaki...what's up PunchHopper and KickHopper? All this talk of destruction...is Decade going to go all GaoGaiGar on me? (Matrix is giong to hate me for this but...)I kind of liked Tsukasa's speech there at the end, telling the Grongi dude...thing about how Yuuske fight's for people's smiles, and that he'll fight for Yuuske's, yeah it was kind of cheesy, but I'm fine with it. It kind of sets up that Yuuske will be joining him later. I thought the fight scenes were good. Next up is Kiva's world.