Personally I prefer watching the movies as they have a beginning, middle and end. A comic sets up for the next issue meaning I'd need to read more and more to enjoy it, which is a hassle when you can just watch one movie and bam. Especially if the story ends up dragging on (Never forget Clone Saga) or turns bad midway

Using the 90's Spider-Man cartoon show is a bad example since comic books fans really did not like that show for the bad censorship from Saban and adapting the source material poorly. While kids enjoy the show, the older fans bash on the show when it was brand new. Same with the other Marvel cartoon shows at the time too.

Carnage would not work at all without being rated R. I know some kids would be upset that their parents won't let them see it. I rather have something be done right than water it down to be more family friendly.

Sony should do an adaptation of Maximum Carnage.
Like, completely forgo all origins and explanations. Just drop viewers off into the who thing.
"Who the hell is Demogoblin? I thought it was Green Goblin"
"Who is this Shriek chick?"
"What the fuck is going on with this 4 armed evil Spider-Man!?"

Yeah, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.

It's that they seem to be more focused on being "diverse" first and less concerned about being, you know, good. Where the goal is to make controversial headlines rather than actually tell good stories.

It's the same reason most Christian-targeted media is garbage. The message comes first, writing quality be damned. Fuck, half the time they can't even get the theology right, but that's a rant for another board and time.

I'm glad Marvel is taking a creative shift to focus more on superheroism rather than political commentary.
I was getting sick of having every character being reintroduced as another race/gender simply for needless diversity.

Also, a big complaint was that the writers' were letting their political standings slip way too deep into the comics, so everything basically became "Feminism and anti-Trump" for the past few months.
Not being super big into Marvel lately, I don't really know how much of that is true, though.

It's not so much as Marvel fans fear political commentary; it's just that Marvel is too SJW for their own damn good. No author can get away with forcing their options down their readers' throats 24/7 and Tumblr should just shut up and realize that while people want diversity almost no one wants to be Tumblr style socjus crap.

They can blame readers all they want; they'll just go find other comics to read. Who reads a superhero comic for characters saying white people/cis/males are terrible?

You do realize that most of Carnage's appearances are PG-13 right?

If DC can make the Joker work in PG-13 then Sony can make Marvel's crappy Joker clone work in PG-13.

I don't buy Marvel being too SJW as comics were always political. Captain America was made by 2 Jewish people out of their frustration America didn't want to help fight Germany in WWII. There are PSAs of Batman and Superman telling you to treat people equally even if they have different religions, genders or skin colour. X-Men is LITERALLY anti-bigotry and Black Panther was only made because Jack Kirby realized there were no black people in comics period

It's because of dumb bullshit like this:

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and this:

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AND this:

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AND THIS:

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And by all means keep doing this and insulting your fans and losing customers Marvel I'm sure DC appericates you helping business.:lol

Okay, the third one was actually funny, but I'd argue that now it's far less subtle, people are NOW calling foul. Kamala Khan had a very subtle moment in which it was pretty much "Not EVERY muslim is a terrorist ffs, don't group everyone together because of loonies"
Also, I remember seeing a while back they made the Bombshells from Ultimate into stereotypical tumblr trash by shouting trigger warning and shit. And again, stuff like Civil War II weren't well received in the slightest either

Same thing goes the other way though, there’s no reason for it to be R-rated if something was originally made to be PG-13. And Carnage wasn't originally made to be R-rated; he appeared in comic books for kids and teenagers. He was violent, but the violence happened off-panel or it was simply not as graphical.

Hell, the goriest thing Carnage did during his first appearance was to write "Carnage Rules!" on a wall using his own blood. That Carnage can easily be adapted with the same ratings as all the other Marvel movies since the level of violence is about the same.

Of course a movie featuring Carnage could benefit a lot from an R-rating, don't get me wrong, but saying a PG-13 Carnage would be "god-awful" when he was exactly that in the first place is stupid. It can work.

Also, you can still be pretty violent without an R Rating. Case and point Kamen Rider. Ouja is a character in a kids show, a serial killer who brutally murders people and recently beat the everloving shit out of Emu (Ex-Aid but not transformed) with a metal pipe and dumped his face in chemicals. It can be toned down, it just depends on how badly. Again 90's Spidey was actually surprisingly good with Carnage, he's still a maniac who wants to kill

That's different though since its Japan. What they do in their kid’s shows would never fly over here.

I just remembered something
Venom.
Venom's been VERY toned down in lots of appearances but he's STILL a fan favourite, and Deadpool's proven to be capable of being popular despite but toned down on the killing part

That happened on a fan club-only webisode, not the show itself though. Even in Japan I doubt that would fly on the actual show.

Thank you for providing evidence of Marvel's SJW shit Yellow. This is why people hate social justice and why Marvel is losing business. SJWs may be the loudest voice, but that's only because they're wrong like all if not most of the time.

Yeah, but PG-13 is limit on how far that they go. I know Carnage has been in mostly PG-13 level comics, but I think a R rating would do justice to his character in my opinion.

It is a FACT Carnage would benefit from an R rating, but again, nothing wrong with PG-13. Hell, in England, there is 12,15 and 18 ratings and in the Netherlands, we only go up to 16, so does America not have anything in between?
Personally I don't mind PG-13 on a single condition, they manage to be subtle with their stuff whereas it's still horrifying

Carnage was always a very dark character and they could do something more dark and deeper with character at a R rating. R rating does not always mean blood and gore to the max. They could be rated R for the themes in the story due to the subject matter.

I love Carnage, but let's not kid ourselves here. There's nothing "deep" about him - he's a deranged serial killer and that's about it. If he was in an R-rated film, it would ENTIRELY be just for blood and gore.

As much as I hold nostalgia for that show, that cartoon's aged terribly.

Maybe I word that a bit wrong, but the movie could do a more darker and deeper take on psychological issues with Cletus Kasady with a R rating. People are okay with comic book movies doing their own take and new spins on character these days. This is all wishful thinking, but I do hope for a good movie.

The 90's Marvel shows are not that great. X-Men is watchable, but far from being a great classic that most people make it out to be. The other Marvel cartoons are pretty bad in my opinion. I give those shows credit for getting me and other people into comic books at a young age.

The way 90s Spiderman got around censorship back then was pretty hilarious.

The 90's Spider-Man show was produce by Saban and Saban always had strict censorship rules on Fox Kids. I remember the Punisher having laser guns too (The Punisher is a character that should stay out of these type of shows without failing terribly).

I'm more surprised with how street thugs had laser guns than Punisher. Not to mention they apparently did a surprisingly accurate Punisher debut as a Spidey villain

Everybody in that show laser guns, even police officers and street level thugs if memory serves.

There's also the fact that they couldn't show anyone getting killed, and if it happened they got sent to another dimension or it happens off screen.

And the fact that they had Morbious, a vampire that couldn't drink blood out of people's necks...and the fact that they couldn't even say blood.

Ironically enough they made Morbious even more terrifying by having the plasma suckers on his hands

Carnage sorely exists because Venom was popular with kids so Marvel turned him into a hero.*ok Anti-Hero but it was the 90s*

Carnage is deep the same way every edgy 90s character was.

I think part of what makes Carnage appealing is his cackling glee.
He was a psychotic serial killer, and he still is a psychotic serial killer.
He's not complex, but he doesn't need to be. He's a roadblock to overcome.

He's not really a good villain in terms of character, but he's effective in terms of character morality, threat, and action pieces.
He's a 90's character through and through, but he's infinitely more memorable for reasons unknown to me. Not being a character with teeth constantly grit, always a stern expression across his face, or trying too hard to be cool, I think he can serve as a decent antagonist in a movie if they remember to keep the charisma he has as a gleefully insane killer.

I'm going to disagree with you on X-Men. At least the first 4 seasons. I watched the show over the summer for the first time since the 90s and most of it was still quite strong. They did a fantastic job of adapting comic stories into animated form while having to keep things toned down for kids. It was the later stuff where the show became hit or miss.

I don't think the show is awful, but I feel like it has not hold up as well to me. It had a good start and became hit or miss later on. I have a lot of nostalgia for the Spider-Man and X-Men cartoons as a kid, but I can admit that they are not great. At least it is better than X-Men Evolution which I hated back when it was brand new.

First teaser poster for Netflix' Punisher.

NO release date yet, sadly...

Rumor has it in Dec becasue it's going to deal with Xmas.

So The Hoff was Nick Fury once.
*glares at screen again*
WHAT.

Yeah, but thankfully it wasn't the same Nick Fury.

The 90s Era marvel movies that pre date Blade are all pretty terrible.

A good chunk of Marvel movies that came after Blade kind of sucked shit, too.
Until Iron Man, Blade, X2, and Spider-Man 2 were kind of the only watchable Marvel movies.
And X2 isn't even all that good when you look back on it.

I'd go as far as to say the first Iron Man hasn't really aged all that well either

I see some people say that the first Iron Man movie does not hold up well now. I need to rewatch it since I have not seen it when it came out on DVD (I did saw it in theaters on opening night).

The first Iron Man movie is still a pretty fun action movie, but the MCU has come so far since then.

Out of the Phase 1 MCU films, I actually think The First Avenger holds up a lot better I ended up enjoying the first Cap a lot more.