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SPLIT LIP

03-17-2014 07:23 PM

Kouta fights to not be a scumbag, like the people who apparently just want to kill most of the population.

Thing is, he knows he has ten years. Yggdrasil wants to kill everyone now. They're the bigger threat than helhiem.

I mean seriously, they were going to nuke the city if a SINGLE invess made it through this week. What kind of sense does that make? Invess have been leaking out for ages, and they want to panic and smash the kill-everything button over one little fly guy?

Super-smart Yggdrasil guys, protecting our future, everything planned out, unplugs the game at the first sign of an enemy grunt.

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Originally Posted by MrHerofan (Post 325563)

Hey at the beginning we didn't even know about project ark, or Helhiem or all of that, now as for DJ Shagara's who will Helhiem choose, could be the next arc/movie. And Zawame might blow up, who knows? Nobody this show is unpredictable.

Exactly.

And yet everyone is like WHOO YEAH GO YGGDRASIL YOU GUYS ROCK!

Puh-lease.

algo448

03-17-2014 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SPLIT LIP (Post 325555)

You just want to pick the opposite side because it's not the "typical." Rather than do what's right, you want to just make a statement. I mean, if Takatora pushed that button this ep, even though we know one day Gaim will win, Yggdrasil would've seemed really fucking stupid, wouldn't they?

No I did not choose yggdrasil for such a petty reason, and it would be nice if you stopped making assumptions about what I think.

I know Yggdrasil isn't right, I openly said thir plan is inhuman, barbaric, all I am saying is that they came up with a logic plan that's the best bet humankind has, and that logically Kouta should be incapable of finding a better route.

We are not getting anywhere with this dicussion anyways.

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 325564)

Exactly! It's not black and white for once, it's a great change of pace.

MrHerofan

03-17-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 325564)

And there is nothing wrong with this, but the Butcher seems to be trying (at least by toku standards) to make this feel like a real world, with fleshed living people in it. There is no clear good or bad, everyone has their own personal interests and everyone still has at least one more card on the table to play.

That is why I refuse to write off Yggadrasill as purely evil, we know in this show it isn't that simple. And similarly Kouta is a man to rally behind, but the show itself points out the naivety of his character and also the pitfalls of such idealism.

Although we may personally decide who are heroes, and who aren't, I think the show has struck a surprisingly complex balance of only condemning one side as much as the other. That is what I love about this show.

And he always goes in half cocked, too, never forget that. His battle is entirely reactionary, and he's fighting against an organisation that has all the facts, even if the audience may not. Your breakdown of his characterisation has hit the nail on the head, and minus fighting with the Energy Riders, what else has he actually done to try and tackle them? It isn't like he's creating a revolution. Because he believes that people are better off not knowing? Then he's no different from his enemy...

Sounds pretty damn good, I've never been good at putting my thoughts into words and knowing there are people who can is phenomenal, now where can we um get our Sengoku Drivers before Helheim comes? :lol

XW1n5t0nX

03-17-2014 07:27 PM

Indeed. It's quite the challenging and thought provoking show. And I absolutely love it for that.

Locke

03-17-2014 07:27 PM

Yeah I gotta admit, I didn't realise siding with the villains in a TV show would leave some people taking it so personally. I'm sorry mods if this got out of hand, I didn't think my post would spiral like it did.

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Originally Posted by MrHerofan (Post 325570)

To Mandrake!

I mean to Ryouma!

:lol

ComicGuy89

03-17-2014 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX (Post 325560)

Exactly. I mean let's think about it, Kouta got his Sengoku Driver by chance, and became a Rider to help fuel his and his friends' own gain. Now he fights for what exactly? Against Yggadrasill? Sort of. He just argues with them mostly. He isn't fighting to stop them, or even inform people about what's actually going on. He just stands there with a thumb up his ass going "Durrr Yggadrasill is bad cause they lied, gave us a game for research, and came up with a plan to stop our world be destroyed." Is genocide a good thing? No it isn't. But it's better then walking around acting all sour because adult businessmen are acting like adult businessmen who have though about every option possible, and while the end result isn't ideal, it's better then nothing.

Kouta cannot play an active role in stopping Helheim because the events are greater than him at this current point in time. Not being able to do something doesn't rule you out from protesting an evil plan. Besides, even now, Yggdrasil has other options, it's just these options might end up saving less people than their current plan.

Kouta also realizes that Yggdrasil is capable of saving humanity, but he can't trust them to do so. That's why he lets them do their work when it involves saving the city (like in the recent episode) but disrupts them when he sees the potential for evil (like trying to destroy the Scalar system).

I don't get why Kouta is being blamed when he's doing whatever he can given the circumstances. He fights off Invess, protects the city where he can. Being a 20 year old who is effectively alone on this crusade, that's pretty darn impressive..

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 325564)

That is why I refuse to write off Yggadrasill as purely evil, we know in this show it isn't that simple.

Yeah, he shows this through Takatora's character, which I actually appreciate. Takatora represents the side of Yggdrasil that actually wants to protect humanity.

SPLIT LIP

03-17-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by algo448 (Post 325569)

and it would be nice if you stopped making assumptions about what I think.

Bet it would be, wouldn't it?

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I know Yggdrasil isn't right, I openly said thir plan is inhuman, barbaric, all I am saying is that they came up with a logic plan that's the best bet humankind has, and that logically Kouta should be incapable of finding a better route.

Logically.

Because a metal orange falling on his head is logical.

Thing is, Yggdrasil's plan is only the best option because they say it is.
Kouta, however, simply doesn't have a plan now.

But hey, ten episodes ago blah-blah. Just because he doesn't have one now, doesn't mean he won't. He doesn't have the Kachidoki lockseed now.

But Yggdrasil? They have lied. They could lie again. The only one not full of shit is Takatora. At least he's legitimately greyed and not cartoonish bad-acting supervillain who's obviously evil like Ryouma.

Also, when will we finally hear about Takatora/Micchy's father who actually runs Yggdrasil and was mentioned, like, back in episode one?

XW1n5t0nX

03-17-2014 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 325573)

Pssffttt, I'ma break into Yggasdrill and steal...I mean borrow an Energy Driver :lol

MrHerofan

03-17-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke (Post 325573)

:lol

Locke

03-17-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XW1n5t0nX (Post 325576)

Pssffttt, I'ma break into Yggasdrill and steal...I mean borrow an Energy Driver :lol

:lol

Who needs Energy Seeds, I'm gonna use the power of the Sunflower Seed through sheer will, like a boss.

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