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Frontier 10-23-2023 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 856512)
Is this film a continuation of the series or the summer film (Paradise Lost)? Kusaka died in both timelines, so how is he still alive in this film? Is he just an Orphenoch copy version reconstructed from his original DNA? How is Kitazaki/Dragon Orphenoch also still alive? Ah, never mind. I consider unplanned, post-series extra stories like this a fanfic, even if it's written by the original writer(s).
Pretty sure it's meant to more or less continue off of the series, the world looks too normal to be Paradise Lost.

Sunred 10-23-2023 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura (Post 856516)
This is my take. Kusaka is just so possessive and toxic that pretty much any guy that Mari reciprocates friendliness towards is a potential future lover and thus, his competition.

Sole difference being Keitaro I guess, since Kusaka doesn't really take him seriously.
Yeah, Kusaka was pretty much what you described. And he was one of the few who could be Kaixa and not self-destruct right away so that also probably gave him a reason to be a total douche thinking they need him hate it or love it.

Zolda 10-23-2023 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 856515)
Delta's in the trailer, which implies this is the series. Delta wasn't in the movie.
Yes, I've just watched the trailer and Delta's there. The title is kinda confusing, though. I thought it's the continuation of the summer film (Paradise Lost), because, like another user pointed out, the sequel to the original poem was called Paradise Regain?d.

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Originally Posted by Frontier (Post 856521)
Pretty sure it's meant to more or less continue off of the series, the world looks too normal to be Paradise Lost.
You're right. Nothing looks post-apocalyptic here. Looks very normal to me as well.

What's not normal is probably the story. I bet the story is gonna be very confusing. Smart Brain is now an Orphenoch-hunting governmental body, led by Kitazaki, of all people. Shirakura mentioned that one of the reasons that Kusaka is possible to return is because Mari never saw him die and turn to ashes in the series. :eyebrow

Switchblade 10-23-2023 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 856525)
What's not normal is probably the story. I bet the story is gonna be very confusing. Smart Brain is now an Orphenoch-hunting governmental body, led by Kitazaki, of all people. Shirakura mentioned that one of the reasons that Kusaka is possible to return is because Mari never saw him die and turn to ashes in the series. :eyebrow
That tracks. Is anyone really dead if Mari doesn't see it happen?

Zolda 10-23-2023 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 856527)
That tracks. Is anyone really dead if Mari doesn't see it happen?
Who knows? Takumi (and Mihara and Kaido) didn't see Kusaka die as well. The only ones who saw Kusaka's death were the culprit himself, Kiba, and the viewers. And now they say that Kusaka didn't die? Not only Kusaka returns to life in this film, but also Kitazaki/Dragon Orphenoch. Perhaps he's also a clone reconstructed from Orphenoch King's DNA. So, I guess Inoue and his team worked twice as hard to include those aspects in the "calculations", as Shirakura stated.

Extra stories are notorious for having retcons, asspulls, and other forms of funky logic. I think the safest form of post-series extra stories is side story, like Gaim's V-Cinemas.

tokubro 10-24-2023 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 856525)
Yes, I've just watched the trailer and Delta's there. The title is kinda confusing, though. I thought it's the continuation of the summer film (Paradise Lost), because, like another user pointed out, the sequel to the original poem was called Paradise Regain?d.



You're right. Nothing looks post-apocalyptic here. Looks very normal to me as well.

What's not normal is probably the story. I bet the story is gonna be very confusing. Smart Brain is now an Orphenoch-hunting governmental body, led by Kitazaki, of all people. Shirakura mentioned that one of the reasons that Kusaka is possible to return is because Mari never saw him die and turn to ashes in the series. :eyebrow
Zi-O's time reset revived a bunch of riders, including our boy Kusaka so ima go with that explanation until Inoue says otherwise.

Zolda 10-24-2023 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tokubro (Post 856536)
Zi-O's time reset revived a bunch of riders, including our boy Kusaka so ima go with that explanation until Inoue says otherwise.
I'm not sure about Zi-O, but Shirakura stated that this film ignores the events in Heisei Rider vs Showa Rider and Kamen Rider 4. Also, weren't the Faiz tribute episodes in Zi-O were written by Kento Shimoyama, not Inoue? Inoue wrote the Kiva tribute episodes and Rider Time side stories. So, Inoue never actually said anything about Faiz characters in Zi-O.

Well, this film is mainly a nostalgia bait, so perhaps the quality of writing is not the first priority. If this film can Axelerate the release of the SHF SS of the rest of the Riders (and the bikes and the Orphenochs!), then I'm down for it.

Sh Ranger 10-24-2023 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Switchblade (Post 856527)
That tracks. Is anyone really dead if Mari doesn't see it happen?
That murder mystery spin-off is going to be crazy if it works on this logic.

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Originally Posted by Zolda (Post 856537)
Axelerate
Φ see what you did there.

Paladin 10-31-2023 08:15 PM
some familiar faces have come to promote the CSM releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qAF89aMsY

Frontier 10-31-2023 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 856681)
some familiar faces have come to promote the CSM releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qAF89aMsY
It's just nice seeing these two together again.


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