Fourze & OOO Mega Max Discussion!!
 

Over-Time has the RAW up for Kamen Rider x Kamen Rider Fourze & OOO: Movie War Mega Max! Go check it out and get some discussion going! We should probably get subs for this within about a week, so get ready for it!

http://over-ti.me/releases/super-let...toku-raw-time/

Subs are up!

Buahahaha!! Watching it now.

I've been looking forward to this but I'm beginning to wonder whether I should hold off on it until I've watched OOO, given its basically going to ruin the ending for me otherwise.

But I want to see Rocket States dammit :lol

Oh yeah you really do need to watch OOO. Otherwise the whole a Certain Someone being around in Mega max thing won't matter to you. Not to spoil it but you need to see OOO, at least the end of it.

And I helped!
I really, really enjoyed this movie. But I love Sakamoto's fight scenes.

And yes, this movie basically picks up where OOO left off regarding a certain spoiler, so if you care about that (and you should with this one!) make sure you've seen OOO first.

You're dangerously close to spoiling it yourself! Edit that name, perhaps?

:lol perhaps your right. By the way I accidentally edited your post instead of quoting it the first time. I meant to reply but instead put a smiley in the middle of your post. lolz

The OOO portion was awesome! It easily made up for OOO's portion in last year's Movie War. It continued the story of OOO in a plausible manner and didn't drag on (You really should watch all of OOO before watching the OOO portion). The two unique riders have an awesome design (Villain) and a meh design (Hero), the Ankh's return was actually interesting while still being heartwarming and optimistic (Without being a total cop-out like Philip). And it's always great to see Ankh again.
The Fourze portion...Just, no. I couldn't stand Nadeshiko. Gen's crush on her was extremely shallow, almost ENTIRELY physical, as she had no emotion or personality whatsoever until right before she was kidnapped (And yes, I know people get crushes based on looks alone. I'm not an idiot. But they treated Gen's crush on her as if it was true love, which was total bullshit). The rest just felt par for the course, for the Fourze portion. Like an extended episode, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'd still rate it as superior to OOO's portion last year.
The rest of the movie was mixed. Of the unique monster designs, only one was visually interesting (Black Guy's Mutamid form). Seeing The Magnificent 7 and Double again were awesome. Also seeing Stronger lead is kinda touching considering what happened earlier this year (Despite this movie being made before his death).

And every scene with Gentarou and Shotarou. Freaking hilarious! :lol

That. Was. Magnificent.

I'd rank this film right up there with 199 heroes in the awesomeness department. And while I agree with Matrixbeast that the Fourze portion could have been a little better, overall it was fantastic. The way they brought the Legendary 7 back for the final fight was fantastic, the future Riders had interesting, albeit simplistic, designs. And more W is always a good thing.

Gentarou just takes weirdness to a whole new level. Loved seeing Shotarou again and these 2 together is just hilarious :))

I think this might be my new favorite Rider movie. Everything (well, almost everything) about this worked perfectly. I loved the OOO part, I loved the Fourze part, I loved the linking bits, I loved the finale - this movie just did so many things right.

Unmarked spoilers 'cuz I'm lazy. I'll still try not to get too specific.

I'll start with the Showa Riders since they were in here first. They didn't do a lot, but I still think this is the best handling of them we've had in the modern era. All seven seemed closer to the actual characters as opposed to just being stunt actors in the suits. What little dialogue they had sounded like the characters, they used the original characters' fighting styles, even the voices sounded close (except for Amazon's, which sounded more like the Decade version - but even then they kept his screeching during the fights). I also really loved how they updated the original finishing moves, keeping them mostly intact but adding updated (yet still accurate to the original) effects. We got to see V3's Reverse Kick done in full, X still drew the X in the air and did his spin on the Ridol, Stronger had the 70s-esque glowing lines around his Den Kick... as a fan of the Showa Riders I really loved that part.

The OOO portion I think was probably the stronger of the two main sections (although not by a huge margin). It did a really nice job of not only bringing back all the characters but also referencing and continuing the show's storyline. I wasn't hugely impressed by Poseidon or Aqua, but I did like the way this part used time travel (I loved the idea that Kougami is still alive 30-50 years in the future and still crazy about birthdays). I also liked that they managed to sneak in a few new Medal combos that we hadn't seen on the show. This part was great and it stands leagues above all OOO's other movies.

I thought the Fourze section was really good, too. It wasn't as big or important of a story, I suppose, but considering it couldn't really do anything to seriously alter the status quo of the show it was still a lot of fun. In a lot of ways this felt like an extended episode of the show - or possible a condensed two-parter. I liked the stuff with Gentarou and Nadeshiko - I don't think he fell in love with her too fast, this is Gentarou we're talking about after all. Following his heart instead of his head has always been one of his defining traits. Nadeshiko as a Rider I was a little less sold on, though. The school girl scarf on the suit looked silly and the girly sound effects they gave her when she hit people was just plain dumb. Still, the story was solid and it felt like everything fit in with the show, which was a major relief after the massive discrepancies we got with the current show section of the last Movie Wars.

Oh, and did anyone else notice that the smaller chest pads on Shun and Kengo's Rider Club costumes were totally made with leftover Akiko slippers? That really amused me.

I loved having Philip and Shotaro back, even if I wished they'd had more than a guest starring role (I kept waiting for Cyclone/Joker Gold Xtreme to fly up and take part in the final battle, but it never happened :(). It was really nice that we had the original actors back and, even though they didn't have much to do, they still felt perfectly in-character (right down to Philip passing on a fight because he was too busy researching soup - yeah, it was mostly an excuse to use the Joker suit again, but it was still totally something Philip would do). Their interactions with Gentarou and Eiji were fun, too, especially the way Shotaro and Gentarou reacted to each other (laughed so damn much at those parts).

Having Foundation X back not only made for good villains and plot progression, but it continued to keep them around as a big threat for present, past, and even future Riders. The specific badguy this time around wasn't that compelling or complex, but he worked well enough and I like the idea that Foundation X is still out there working on other projects besides the one that the current Rider is tackling. The fight with the big baddie at the end worked well, although I have to say that the single biggest failing in this movie is the Super TaToBa suit. Red, yellow, and green on a black background works - hell, it's one of my favorite main Rider suits ever - but reversing the colors looks fucking terrible. That may well be my least favorite suit design in the history of Kamen Rider. Still, it wasn't enough to ruin the last part of the film, especially after that epic fight with Eiji and Gentarou versus the mook army. The Scanning Charge medley was awesome (that was what, the second time we ever saw the TaToBa kick?) and the Switch medley was... the Scanning Charge part was awesome (I'm sorry, you will never sell me on Magic Hand or Hopping, and definitely not both at once).

So yeah, great movie, loved the hell out of it. Hopefully the next Movie Wars will be even half this good. I'd love it if they can get Shotaro, Philip, and Eiji back for that, too.

I think I'm the only person that actually likes Magic Hand. It's so silly, but I love how distinctively MECHA it looks, despite being a bright pink grab claw!

On a slightly off topic side note... I wonder if the recent success of The Avengers (and the prceeding Marvel movies) overseas has had an impact in Toei and the way they handle their actors? Right up front we can see some definite inspiration from Iron Man (especially with Birth) But more importantly... I'm wondering if seeing those level of international superstar actors reprising silly roles will lead to more Rider leads returning for movies.

tl:dr - I wonder if seeing the likes of Robert Downy Jr. and Samuel L. Jackson throwing down as super heroes will convince Japanese male models that it's cool to continue doing the same.

Fourze: I'm the man who's gonna be friends with every Rider!
Amazon: ... Tomodachi
Me:El Oh El.

"Save the special intros for later." :)

I loved this movie. This was by far the best of the crossover movies (I think it's safe to say Super Hero War isn't topping it either). Every character felt just right, the story was propelled by a believable interconnected story, Sakamoto's action scenes were fantastic, and I was even able to buy into Gen's love-at-first-sight with Nadeshiko. A lot of acts were being juggled by the film at once and every single one was carried well. I really hope the film gets an extended cut release later, because there were a few scenes I'd love to see extended and some of the much less important loose ends (Mutamid chick, the replicas, fleshing out some fight scenes, etc.) I'd like to see a bit more of.

If there's one thing I can be proud of about my very small part in the subbing for this movie, it's saving that line from falling through the cracks. Everything else I did was nitpicks, in my opinion. But that line was a great shout out to devoted fans, and it almost went unnoticed in the original draft.

Quick thoughts:
OOO: Great, a nice epilogue to the series. Though unlike the previous movies this one actually appears to be in TV continuity, while previous OOO movie appearances were their own continuity that existed in W's world. Hooray for confusion!
W Intermission: I didn't see that coming, and while it was short I enjoyed every second of it.
Fourze: Was fine, didn't do anything special for me but was well done.
Crossover: Amazing, some great action and I loved Shotaro and Gentarou's interactions.

Overall my favorite Movie Wars still remains Decade/W but this is a more cohesive intertwining of 2 different stories and is much better than CORE.

The movie is great, and it is probably my favorite Rider movie right now. It's fantastic how Eiji got the Core medals back, and now he'll be able to henshin into OOO in the movies. It was great seeing Ankh back, and his presence just reminds us that the series won't have been the same without him. I thought Nadeshiko was very cute, and it is a shame that she's not here to stay because I think Fourze could use a female Rider on the show. Seeing Shotaro and Phillip (from my favorite show KR W) is great, and Shotaro & Gentaro's interaction was nothing short of hilarious. I hope there'll be more W x Fourze crossover in the future.

If Toei can keep doing Rider movies in the same quality as Megamax, I'd love to see it done once every year. It's the kind of movie that can make a Kamen Rider fan out of you imo.

Oh really? What might that one part have turned out to be had you not intervened? It's funny knowing how some things can turn out behind-the-scenes and you'd never otherwise know.

Oh man I love the Showa Riders' fight scenes. OOO segment was awesome. Fourze was okay, all I have to say is Nadeshiko was cute. Double was meh but, good to see them again. Team up segment was pretty good.

Finally saw it. Gotta say, this flowed way better then the last Movie War.

What was wrong with Movie War Core?

Both the W and OOOs stuff didn't really seem to have anything to do with each other, nor did it seem come together in a coherent way. I found the OOOs part was...just plain boring.

But you have to admit, it did have its good moments (the entire W portion, the beginning of the OOO portion, just to name a few).

The Skull portion was the only reason to watch the movie, IMO. More Skull is never a bad thing.

Question, I'm getting the movie now and I was wondering if it matters to have watched W and Fourze before watching the movie. I've seen all of OOO and I just finished episode 20 of W. Only seen the first ep of Fourze to test it out(and enjoyed it). And although I ask this question, I'll probably end up watching the movie anyways and just watch it again once I've seen all of W and what's needed of Fourze so everything makes sense.

Just curious as to how much of the movie would be foreign to me.

Well, it may spoil one bit from the end of Kamen Rider W but as far as the actual story goes I think you'll be able to understand most of everything in MegaMax.

I've been keeping up with Fourze, and I watched W all the way through. I've only seen about 8 episodes of OOos before dropping it completely. I didn't find it hard to follow at all

You should really give OOO another chance. I'll admit that the begining was jarring after W and that it was slow. Even the ending felt rushed just a bit. But the middle portion of the series from about episode 12 or so on is just great.

I think it's pretty necessary to have seen OOO, at least a sampling of Fourze, and just a basic knowledge of W if any. It all really just flowed so well that I think it stands well on it's own too but I still think OOO is the glue holding it together so you should really watch that series first.

It wasn't just the whole OOOs coming after W thing, it's just that I found that when OOO slowed down, it became almost unwatchable. Not really caring about the people Eiji was trying to help was another issue

OOO really does pick up once Maki makes his real intentions known.
Also, give characters time to grow on you lol. 8 episodes? I think the only characters that were really introduced (Sans Eiji and Ankh) were Chiyoko and Hina (Cakeboss doesn't count, and I think Gotou was still in his "Watcher" phase).

Like Matrixbeast said, once Dr. Maki revealed his insideous plan the series began to roll, but I think the series got better once Date Akira was introduced as Kamen Rider Birth, because his charisma and humor provided a spark for a series that was otherwise humorless (except for Kougami's silly antics). OOO is a series that gets stronger after Maki joined with the Greeeds, and has a fantastic ending that really redeemed the show's overall perception, so I can't really hate on it like I do for Decade.

Saw the movie just yesterday. I hadn't enjoyed a movie like this in a long time and I hope the movies of the future are of this quailty as well. Fourze's part was just OK but the other parts were superb, with OOO's, Double's and the Showa Riders being the best. The final part was a tad rushed but it was still great. Overall it was quite well made.