Alternate Kamen Rider Gaim Form Secretly Previewed?
 

On more than one occasion we've brought you the news of possible new riders and forms in Kamen Rider Gaim. The new Energy Riders Rain, Do-Q & O-Gi earlier today, the Genesis Driver Initial Scans, and the first Peach Energy Seed info.

Well today we bring your attention to something that you may not have noticed if you didn't look carefully. Just after the Kamen Rider Gaim opening theme plays, as with all tokusatsus, the sponsor credits roll. In Gaim's case as the sponsors roll by he mounts his bike the Sakura Hurricane, and after the camera pans down to a floor full of locks. Looking at the reflection Gaim casts it's very apparent that we're looking at a completely different helmet and possibly suit design. Perhaps even a new Gaim form!

The reflection shows a Gaim with a much more pronounced helmet that would have been common of a warrior from the Sengoku era. We also see that the normally off center crest on his helmet is actually a trident! And it would appear that his visor is deep red rather than standard orange. This form should not be confused with the previously confirmed Warrior God Gaim/Blod Orange Gaim. This could be an entirely new form for Gaim that was unknown til now!

Credit: Me, with too much time on my hands

So that's what Hope4896 was talking about.
Good eye.

I wouldn't count on this being an alternate form; it's too similar to Orange Arms, which normally wouldn't be such a deterrent, but it doesn't match up with how different his currently revealed forms are.
Personally, I'd compare this more to either a past or maybe even future version of Gaim. Kinda like Master Ryukendo.

Maybe Dark Gaim, does look a little menacing

Past/future/or whatever it would be, it still amounts to being an alternate form for Gaim. No matter how minor.

EDIT: Perhaps it'll be similar to that SIC Sengoku era Hibiki?

I guess one could look at it that way, though I personally don't.

Shoulder looks huge, and almost like it came from a totally different lock seed.
And apparently you can stick the Genesis driver to the side of the Sengoku driver.

So... draw your conclusions?

I noticed that, I thought it was a potential evil version of Gaim.

Methinks it's just a warped reflection of Gaim's Orange Arms form. If you look at the reflection of the bike and the locks, their images are skewed and warped, probably just due to the tiles.

Yeah, it's no new form, it's just orange arms warped. Look at how it stretches and squishes. Not a totally different helmet. Just the same old. It's just the reflection.

Actually no, it most certainly is a new helmet. How are you not seeing what is clearly the full on trident on his helmet? It's far larger than his normal crest and actually equal in length on both sides. This is 100% a new helmet.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw this.I think it might be the former Gaim's look,as in the rider who had the Orange lock before Gaim.

Because it's not a trident. It's his regular crest with the top three points stretched out because of the deformities in the reflective surface.

You can even see the asymmetrical shape of the normal crest. It also squished his visor. It's like a funhouse mirror.

That's +1 for my theory. :D

There's multiple orange locks. The lock seed doesn't determine the rider, the belt does, and Kota was the first to use that driver. Gaim's face only appeared once he put it on.

I'm honestly surprised so many think this is some forshadowing to a new form. Just watch the footage, you can see the bike is also distorted and the reflection is clearly his regular suit. Just look at the shoulder pad in the screen cap. You can see the waves in the floor distoring it and making it look like part of it is floating.

A fun house mirror simply does not do that man. The design of that crest is completely different from his standard crest. It doesn't take something that's unequal in length and off to one side and then turn it into a completely symmetrical design. This is 100% and very clearly not the same helmet. I mean can you just not see that comparison image at the end? It's incredibly clear that what we're loking at is not his standard helmet. Yes there are ripples in the bike but they are nothing like that helmet at all.

Except it isn't symmetrical. At all. One side of the crest dips, the other half arcs. And look at the supposed ends of the trident. They're completely different.

It's just visual distortion. You can even see the blue and orange behind the crest is stretched out and wavy.

It's clear that it is. Have you ever held up a glass or spoon or a kettle? It can take one small detail and stretch it out. That's how reflections work.

Again, look at the bike. Apparently his new form is a midget with super long legs riding the tallest bike in the world.

Also, if you actually watch the clip, there's just no way they could effects in a new image like that. kamen rider isn't that good. When he gets on it it's perfectly synced because there is no special effects. It's just reflections.

Trust me, I thought it was a new helmet at first, too. But when I rewatched the clip and saw how the headlamp of the bike was so smushed and how the arms were smushed flat it was obvious it's just the same suit.

How is it the same helmet when the trident shape in the reflection is symmetrical?

So... how do you explain the orange mohawk?

But it isn't. You can quite clearly see.

http://www.tokunation.com/attachment...1&d=1381893125

The crest only appears to be symmetrical because each point of the helmet has been stretched to the same degree. But when you outline just the bottom of the "trident" it's exactly the same as the regular crest, just at a slight angle because of the reflection of Gaim being viewed from 'below."

Ditto the mohawk. At that upward angle, the top of the head lines up roughly with each point on the crest. So as they are stretched by the uneven floor, so to is the top.

It's just the top of the helmet being streched along with the tips of the crest.

If you eliminated the "prongs" of the trident and mohawk, you'd literally just be left with his normal helmet.

Ok then,since you're so deadset on the helmet being the same,what about the shoulders? They sure look like they have alot more layers the the regular ones do. Also if the top of his helmet bent along with the prongs,why is the middle prong straight?(And I'm not saying its his new form,I'm just saying its different)

I am ENTIRELY convinced that it is most certainly a new helmet. And for the life of me I can't understand why you don't think it is. The entire reflection has some distortion yes, but that helmet cannot possibly be the result of the normal helmet being reflected or anything else. It isn't going to bend the two ends of the crest up at equal angles and extend the center point up to nearly the same length and create that raised peak on top of his helmet too. He's clearly wearing a very Kabuto esque helmet:

http://imageshack.us/a/img833/2606/emo7.jpg

Looking at the image it's clear that the line of distortion ends jsut under his visor:

http://imageshack.us/a/img34/125/g89h.png

This is completely intentional. The character and setting are based on the Sengoku period anyway. That combined with what is clearly an image of a new helmet more than prove what this is. Why do you choose to fight something as obvious as this? I'm not just making this stuff up man. There's some hard evidence here.

You image just showed my point even clearer. It's perfectly visible the distortion on the crest.

But the real nail in your arguement is simply a matter of perspectives. If, and if, this is a new helmet, then why do these new additions stretched straight up, when Gaim himself is being viewed at an angle?

It's so obvious it's just reflection, I'm literally baffled you can't tell. Also, there's just a matter of logic. Rider form changes are always different, and Giam has more intricate suits than ever. Why would this new suit have the helmet be indentical except for a new crest?

I'm really sorry dude, but you're just plum out of luck here. There's no new helmet, it's SO obvious.

That's because those aren't just his shoulders, there his entire arms. His arms are bent, holding the handle bars. The gold trimming is his inner shoulder scallops and his wrist bands.

Because like I said, it's being stretched.

I mean seriously, look at the photo I posted. The crest is identical except for these new additions that are quite clearly just reflections.

Ryuki was right, mirrors are serious business. :P

I could see it going both ways, if the reflection is indeed a new form, then that's excellent foreshadowing, fits the mirror motif in the show.
But to me it simply looks like a distorted Gaim.

What I'm saying is that now that we have a zoomed in look,why are the left and right forks of the trident the same length? Also why is the center spike straight up and down? If those are parts (the forks and helmet top) are distorted due to the reflection,shouldn't the middle spike also be? Also his legs and arm look like they have more armor on them.That cant be distortion seeing as how there in no armor on his legs and arms,just the shoulders.

Yeah I'm inclined to agree with Split here. It looks to me like a distorted head crest more than anything.

Ah well. Time will tell.

Ditto.

But it is. I don't know what you're saying. The crest is lined up so that all points are in a straight line, thus why it's so thin.

This is exactly what this thread needed...

What I'm saying is that the top of the left and right spikes,the curve.The middle one doesn't.It should if it's distorted.The middle spike,at it's peak,should curve a little.It should flow with the others,but isn't.Also the arms and legs.Again,I'm not saying who is right and wrong.I'm just trying to eliminate certain things if I see them.I don't think this is a new form just because it looks too similar to the original form,but I do think it's different.

It is, though. It's not a perfect straight line, it's wavy and wobbly.

Also, unlike the tips of the crest, it isn't curved to begin with. It's a triangle point, stretched upwards, rather than two slopes.

What I'm saying is that looking at the outer spikes,they both curve the same way,to the right.So shouldn't the middle spike curve to the right too due to distortion? If the same tile is doing the distortion,then the middle spike should flow the same way,not just be wobbly.

Not really.

Same reason the entire image isn't strecthed. The floor isn't even. If it was perfectly flat or a perfect curve maybe, but it's not. It's wobbly and wavvy. Again, look at how the shoulder pad gets "cut off."

Again, if that was true, there wouldn't be distortion. It'd just be a mirror.

Reflections in the intro play an obvious untold story in Kamen Rider Gaim at this juncture. Everything from the dirty-blonde version of Mia having a moment with what appears to be Baron in a reflection of Mia and Kouta, and now to the outro where a mysterious form of Gaim is seen.

But it's not a form.

Even ignoring the science of the reflections, it's not a great enough change to convince me that it's a new form. Kamen Rider isn't that subtle. Not when last episode had our hero with a spinning orange for a head.

I feel like Charlton Heston in Soylent Green. I must seem like a raving insane person but I know the truth! :<

Because it's more than likely the Sengoku era Gaim. This series seems to be all about transformative power, becoming someone new. It isn't at all far fetched to assume that Kouta is tapping into a previous Orange Arms rider's (probably Sengoku) power and becoming a modern version of him. Hence the reflection of Gaim's past self. Explaining why he'd have a more samurai inspired form. It's appropriate to both the theme and setting of the show.

I can't really wrap my head around how you're using what is clearly an image that proves my point as an argument in your favor. And Rider Forms are definitely NOT always that different either, looking at Blood Gaim, Ryuki Blank, Ouja Blank, Hibiki Kurenai, Den-O Nega, Ryuga, Kick/Punch Hopper, or maybe all 4 of Wizards basic forms which have only slight remolds with a color swap. A smattering of other riders exist for proof of this as well, don't say something like that if you can't back it up. Pallet swaps with slight remolds or base suits with some remolds to set them apart happen pretty often through out this franchise. It's nowhere near far fetched to assume that his helmet and some armor could be the only differences.

If your argument is going to remain, I suggest you find a more solid basis for it than that.

Exactly, colour swaps.

Every single one of those examples (save Hibiki who wasn't intended to be a Rider) are dramatic changes based on colour. Nobody would confuse them because the colours are a dead giveaway.

Literally the only change here is the crest, and as I've gone into detail, it's dubious at least. Your whole arguement hinges on something that is a differnet shape in an image that is heavily distorted.

I believe in court that call it reasonable doubt. Your arguement falls apart because the legitimacy of the entire image is thrown in the air when it's so messed up to begin with. That'd be like claiming he gets a new bike that shrinks the headlamp down. (which, BTW, if this is Sengoku period Gaim, why is he on a bike and not a horse?) And yet you claim my arguement has no solid basis? If what you're saying is true, than the crest is literally the only part of the image that is not severly distorted, which is very convienient.

Neither of you is going to convince the other.

Just saying...

Yeah, I guess.

Whatever, then I concede. Tokunation is too nice for me, I can't draw this out. I saw someone have a civil disagreement about the Transformers Movies the other day. I don't want to ruin this place.

Disregarding the Gaim image for the time being, you're actually INCORRECT again. Hibiki was 100% intended to be a rider. Read this enlightening article. http://risingsuntokusatsu.com/?p=8744

What began as a Ninja Arashi remake was scrapped and rather than creating an interim show and giving Kamen Rider a break for a year the staff got together and decided to go the rider route again. But they wanted it to be the Amazon of the Heisei era, something wildly boldly different. Hibiki was always meant to be a rider, staff interviews more than prove this.

Again, do some research before making claims. In court we call that discrediting the witness :thumb:

And I can be civil enough to agree to disagree as this argument isn't really enriching the discussion for either side.

But, you know, only after responding to my reply. :lol Last word, and all...

But yeah, whaterver. GodzillaFanatic said it best, time will tell, and I'm not going to waste that time going in circles when I could prove or diprove it and possibly dimishinsh my enjoyment of the show in any capacity. (especially if it's linked to a sequence of the show that I see every single episode :lol)