Who is the first to die in Kamen Rider Gaim?
 

You know the series is going to go "dark" in the story. There's too many Riders. They're way in over their head as we learned in the latest episode. And on our last podcast, we decided to ask who the first to die is going to be? (hey, none could die, we could be way off base, but it just seems inevitable).

So who do you think, of the current riders, is going to be the first to die, if one does die?

Actually I dont really think anyone of the Riders is going to die. Yes they will be deaths but I dont think its going to be a rider. Why you might ask? Because that is what everyone expects Urobuchi to do. He knows about his reputation as the Urobutcher and thats why I think he will do the opposite thing.

Here's my theory. Ryugen becomes dark. (Remember who's writing this). Kills his big brother, takes over his buisness, and his LockSeed with it!

I'm voting Bravo only because the character is such a wild card and has made enemies out of EVERY OTHER Rider there is, and seems to push them to the limits of being beaten both body and mind.

Because of that, I can easily see a Baron, Kurokage, or Guridon/Gridon being humiliated by Bravo and killing him out of anger/rage/redemption.

No one because it is a kids show and they don't kill anyone anymore.

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I say Ryugen.I can totally see Zangetsu killing Ryguen while in their rider forms,then as soon as he's fatally wounded loses the suit and he sees that he just killed his younger brother.That or one of the comedy/minor riders.(Gridon,Kurokage,Bravo) I say that just to get across to the main characters that its not a game anymore.

I still maintain that Bravo is the Scissors of Gaim.

It's super cliché, but I think Ryugen will get whacked and Zangetsu will end up on the Beat Riders' side against Yggdrasil. Of course, I expected pretty much the same thing to happen while I was watching 'W' and we see where that got me. 0 for 1 on predicting the implementation of overused story ideas.

9 episodes in and Gaim has so far killed two innocent human beings turned into monsters.

He's lasted too long to be Scissors.

All of these Ryuki references... has me thinking I should watch Ryuki.

They won't kill off the major four, not until later in the series.

Gaim is the focal point of the story - he has to live for as long as possible.
Baron is the main nemesis to the hero (Gaim), but with flashes of being a hero himself, meaning he'll eventually fight for good in time, and thus cannot die until after that happens.
Ryugen and Zangetsu have to play off each other to develop a story and conclude a story before either can die. I, like others, believe that somehow Ryugen will succumb to darkness and become a villain while Zangetsu becomes a hero. Role reversal - the younger sibling rebels so much against what the older sibling wants that he becomes exactly what he didn't want to become, while the older brother attempts to save him.

My guess is actually Kurokage. The producer, including Urobutchi have constantly fawned over Gridon, saying that he's an interesting character. Why not Kurokage? I'm guessing Kurokage gets killed (perhaps by Bravo?) and Gridon goes through a shift in personality as his best friend dies.

Something needs to trigger Gridon into the "secondary Rider" status the show seems to have given him.

I could actually see this happening.

Except Ryuden is the secondary rider.

As long as they release a toy or two of Kurokage, then I'm happy.

How do you know they were humans? And people being turned into monsters is nothing. When was the last time an actual rider died?

As long as he gets the AC and S.H. treatment I'm happy.

Oh, what I mean is that all four Gaim, Baron, Ryugen and Zangetsu are shown to be the main ones that appear in the opening credits. So why on earth was Gridon in the press conference alongside them? The only ones outside the four main Riders in the press conference were Mai and Gridon, and as we know, Mai is a main character. Also, why was he in the Rider War in the beginning? Besides that, Urobuchi has said Gridon is his favourite character and to expect something from him in the future.

So I'm guessing Gridon will undergo a change to become a more significant character and maybe Kurokage's death would be that catalyst.

I think Bravo will die sometime soon even if it's by Zangetsu because he doesn't want him to be a Rider, I also don't see his potential rather than being a pain in the ass for the others, unless he becomes a powerful ally. I think Kurokage and Ryugen will die too later in the series, I agree something might need to trigger Gridon's evolution into a stronger character before he ends up being Punch Hopper. Ryugen I see dying in the sense of triggering something to affect both Gaim and Zangetsu or that he succumbs to the darkness from both how he acts with Cid, Mai not giving him the attention he wants, and not being able to live the life he wants and goes off the deep end leading Zangetsu and Gaim to try and bring him back. Basically I'm agreeing with the theories I read above. I am very intrigued to see where this series will go.

In Wizard the White Wizard died does he count ?

Most recent episode makes it VERY blatant.

It is when they die.

Skull.

Not to mention that people need to die first in order to become Phantoms...

Kurokage bites it in episode 10. It's a battle royale kind of thing right? As much as I don't want either Gridon or him to go, Gridon is featured in a lot of promotional material as said before.

If Bravo goes, it's not going to be for a little bit, I think.

Also... no one ever dies in Kamen Rider? Gentaro, Kengo, Philip, Mio, everyone but Ren in Ryuki, Tackle, Riderman... yeah I can stop... all beg to differ.

Even Sentai has members kick the bucket and it's even more aimed at kids.

Its a really hard thing to think about. Its not like Ryuki where like 8 of the 13 riders were murderers, crazy or assholes so people dying makes sense.

If any characters are gonna die I say Bravo. Not that he's a disposable character, in fact due to the opposite reason. Bravo is such a notable and attention attracting person for this test Yggdrasil set up. They even mention during their breakdown with Pierre when he was in the army, it was "too much". I guess Takatora doesn't want a notable cake master giving anybody any ideas about joining the Zawame city Rider war.

Plus, Bravo's only merch so far is a candy toy lockseed. No Dx lock, no AM figure.

Don't forget that more than likely: Bravo still has contacts in the military.

If he caught wind of what Yggdrasail is up too I don't think he would hesitate to call the proper people in order to get the project shut down.

Bravo, he's like Nazca in W, or Scorpio in fourze, or pheonix in wizard, he's that enemy that basically kicks the ass(asses in doubles case) of the main rider until they can summon up enough force to be able to beat him. I don't think OOO's had an equivalent enemy though.

Kurokage, I don't believe he was in that Rider War montage....

Kurokage. Maybe Bravo. I wanna say Ryugen or Zangetsu as dark as they are trying to go.

I'm just confused a bit. When Guridon/Gridon didn't have a Sengoku driver, he was the brains of the operation with Kurokage. But as soon as he henshin'd, he became this pitiful, weak character. What happened?

All brains and no brawn, and maybe he's not good at thinking on his feet.

His brain went to the hammer and thats it?

It's simple. He's not a fighter, he has no idea what to do with the power. Kurokage, hoever, was always a troublemaker most likely, and is perfectly at home fighting.

I haven't watched the last 2 episodes.

When was Skull a main character? In fact, we did not even know he was a rider until we were at least a third through the series.

However, I'm looking at the main riders, which are W, Accel, Beast, Wizard, OOO, Birth, Fourze, Meteor, Kiva, Ixa, Decade, Diend, Den-O, and Zeronos. I think Kabuto was the last series that actually killed a rider, and even then, none of them were actually main riders, they were just there for a few arcs.

I'd say Punch Hopper was a main character. He was there for most of the show, really only behind Tendou and Kagami for enduring presence.

Well Kiva killed a Rider main character.

I'd agree that he was a main character too.

Are you blind or that daft?

Gentaro, Kengo and Philip aren't main, Rider characters? Come on dude, just admit you're wrong. Characters die in KR all the time. And Mio in Kiva, it's not like she wasn't there for half the series or anything.

Right, if one asks for deaths of the main riders, Gentaro and Philip are the best examples. They did return, but at one point of the story, both of them were killed.
Oh, and don't forget that Wataru tried to erase his own existence by trying to make his own birth never happen. He hasn't gotten through with it, but even the fact he thought of it is enough to be mentioned.



Back to Gaim: I'm not so sure if anyone will die, but the only ones I could think of right now are Zangetsu and Bravo. Bravo because he doesn't feel like a character that will be in the series for long (but he could also just disappear or something), Zangetsu because... Well, he's technically the bad guy, that's always a reason to get killed at some point.
At first I thought Ryugen might also be a potential candidate to die but... No, it doesn't feel like that anymore.

I voted Baron by accident because its 8am and I read it as Bravo :lol

(I got rid of it but can't revote, so just throw me in as voting for Bravo)