How would you rewrite a heisei KR series?
 

How you rewrite a KR series? From Kuuga to Wizard? Give the episodes a change like from episode 1 to 52. Including more riders for some shows.

Let start off with Wizard.

Change Beast's personality sooner. Make him the badass he was at the end without his friend having to be kidnapper, or at least show some signs of it.

Menawhile, Ryuki: Give it one ending, and expand upon the other riders, like Femme or Alternative.

Well my mind is on Wizard for the moment.

If anything should change is Wizard & Beast saving people from becoming Phantoms.

If anyone should be Phantoms it should be Kazuya and that bitch of his, Naomi for example. They could use more generals.

Since we're on Wizard, I say make the last ten to fifteen episodes the entire show. That was the only time Beast was a good character for the shows entire run, and most importantly so much shit was crammed into that space that in the end none of it was able to have any meaning. If you spread that out over the whole show, I think Wizard could have been the best series outta alla them.

And make sure you make it to the episode with the kid and his bike.
That was Wizard at it's finest :p

:lol I'd forgotten all about that running gag!

Please add more Phantom generals than just three (Phoenix, Medusa & Gremiln) Add an alicorn (pegasus & unicorn) into the general ranks.

If that Phantom appeared, he'd be the one taking up the White Wizard from Wiseman. However that Phantom has a secret agenda of his own.

He could plan to kill Wiseman and use the Philosopher's stone for his own ends.

First, Fueki/Wiseman becomes White Wizard again by impaling Gremlin (for real). However, Alicorn plans to kill Gremlin completely and steal WW's weapon.

Second, he'll use a spell he learned from him to turn Haruto into a Phantom without going to despair like the other victims. Not only will there be a a Wizard vs WW battle, but also a Dragon Phantom vs Wiseman fight. Alicorn kills Wiseman and Koyomi and takes the stone for his own.

I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, but I'd rather we had less generals in Wizard.

Medusa had a great start, and a great finish, but the entire rest of her run was awful.
Phoenix turned out to be, in the long run, utterly pointless.
And when they introduced Gremlin, it looked like they were going somewhere with him, they weren't.

Drop the 2 episode format for Wizard, I found the episodes I enjoyed most were the single episodes. That and maybe shorten the series a bit to make the pacing better would be a good start.

After watching GARO I realised it doesn't matter the length of the series, even at 25 episodes it will find ways to waste time and include filler.

I don't think it was the 2 episode format for Wizard, it was just that they didn't do anything for a good 20 episodes.
Like, between Phoenix's death and up until we started getting the Mages, it was just:
Gremlin messes with Medusa
Medusa says Wiseman
Haruto eats donut
Shunpei
Learn about a secondary character that will only appear in these 2 episodes.
End part 1.
Phantom almost breaks the important object of secondary character
Showcase latest toy
Shunpei
Mayonnaise
End with Haurto eating.

It's rather strange that, for Wizard, you could cut about 20 episodes straight (Without henpecking them, either. Just remove them altogether) and lose almost nothing of value.

Plus so much of Wizard went absolutely nowhere, remember how the first Dragon form was like the whole Hollow Ichigo thing where Haruto had to like embrace the inner Phantom and let him take over? If you forgot, don't worry, I don't think they brought that up again outside of the episode it was introduced in, despite getting three other palette swaps of that form and a combo version later in the series (the combo also is some kind of McGuffin from White Wizard which raises all kinds of questions like why Haruto bothered to risk using his Phantoms power if Wizard's can just create doodads anyway).

And that is just one aspect, that doesn't mention all the character arcs that went nowhere, and all the plot left over at the end that is kinda hand waved with either the words 'science!' or 'magic!' shouted as melodramatically as the actors can muster.

I liked Wizard, I thought it was entertaining, but it was a flying mess. I can understand it from fan fiction writers, but when you're paid to write a fifty episode series, how can you have such muddled mythology and such pointless character arcs? Shouldn't you have PLANNED this shit?

Well I'm disappointed that Haruto allowing Dragon to take him over completely was out. That way Haruto would become the Dragon Phantom and take on Wiseman!

THEY NEED TO FIX THIS! GO BACK IN TIME!

I still need to see wizard along with alot of the hesei series but i have a few changes I'd make.

Kuuga: I really enjoyed the ending at first but after reading up on the over the top power of kuuga ultimate form I'd have to say include a pre-final fight between UL-00 and ultiamate kuuga where the two can actually demonstrate that abilites but maybe have a moment where Godai is still getting used to the form or for a split secound loses himself to it and has to retreat. then move to the final fight seen in the series.

Agito: I'd keep Hojo's Victory 1 system around for more then just 2 episodes, have 3 unknown present for the agito, gills and G3-X to fight in the final battle. Beyond that I'd probably strengthen the connections in story between Agito and Kuuga, aprantly it says some where the the unknown are actually the linto from kuuga transformed by the overlord of darkness. I think that's a really interesting idea I'd try to expand and explain that by having a surviving grongi appear and get taken by the Akatsuki group or something. Maybe have the grongi fight against the unknown just out of spite.

W: Really Really minor but I'd like to see cyclone accel extreme in action maybe make it a very brief what-if story for the hyper battle video (maybe a imagined sequence from shroud?)

OOO: I think the whole every rider is a alternate universe thing should of stopped with Decade, OOO is a great show but it seemed intent contradicting the movie crossovers before megamax. I'd make some minor changes to remove those plot holes in the crossover movies and maybe have Eiji mention how he's just back from futou at the start of an episode or something.

I'd shorten almost every one by six episodes minimum. That way there'd be less filler, and all the remaining content could be managed into a more compact seeries. Even W, my fav, has easily six episodes it doesn't need.

For individual shows:

OOO: Drop "Lost Ankh." Or rework it so it doesn't confuse exactly how core medals work.

Ryuki: Limit Ouja to be a more infrequent character to maximize his appearences, and give him something of a personality. Not soem ham-fisted backstory, but some charrisma, some interesting character trait.

Den-O: Drop the ridiculous time-altering visuals, like when they have buildings lose their supports ten years ago, and collapse in the present. Have Ryoutaro be more of a character eariler, like him dealing with the fact he's basically a suit from Imagin to fight in, and move forward his subplot about accepting it and trying to help by physically training himself.

Agito: Cut this motherfucker in half, drop the fresh-out-of-film-school cinematography, and make Agito more than just an apathetic moron who values tomatoes more than human lives. And give Gills somethign to do besides scream and grunt.

Wizard: Have Haruto be an actual straight man, rather than just someone immune to the obnoxious comedy, have him react to it. Make the villains credible, give it a plot, give it side characters that don't annoy. Give it a better gimmick... just rework the whole damn thing.

Kabuto: Kill Tendou.

Onto Kiva!

Wataru could at least put up a fight and using his dhampir abilities while in his human state. He'll unleash his dhampir when some fangire or some other creature threatens someone especially get teased/pissed at.

Kiva needs to have more arms monsters at his side besides just a werewolf, merman & frankenstein. How about a mummy, cursed samurai, a ghost & a ghoul/zombie.

As for the Checkmate Four... it needs five instead. They are missing Knight. It sucks the Horse Fangire had to be the first monster for Kiva to fight. It would've made sense for the horse to be the knight instead.

As for Kengo... if he was "Knight" of the Checkmate Four (if they'll change it to five), he'd fight alongside Wataru/Kiva instead of becoming IXA.

You know if that happened he'd come back stronger than ever, right? :p

Anyway, I'd change Blade so that Mutsuki's whole arc didn't take so long to properly finish.

In Fourze, I would have liked to see Kengo use the Fourze Driver. After all, he helped create it with the intention of using it, and when he finally had the opportunity to use it to see the Presenter, he gets killed by Saggiatrious or whatever. Lame.

That part annoyed me a ton. It was built up so well, and the "Next episode" previews focused on that one scene in spades to have no payoff at all.

There are things I wanna change in Fourze myself.

- Fourze & Meteor are not enough. Give a zodiarts rider in the beginning! If there was, it'll be Gamou Mitsuaki's grandson. He represents as Gentaro's opposite. Think of it this way... Gentaro & Kengo are Rokuro, Meteor is Emoto while Gamou's grandson is Gamou himself... representing all 3 astronauts their legacy.

- Change Gamou as Ophiuchus. While the zodiarts rider is Sagittarius.

Actually a LOT of things Fourze needs to fix!

I like the high school settings.

- It would be nice to see some replacements of the KR Club. If some go to college have new members join in and old ones visit them later on in the end.

New members based on: Stronger, Skyrider, Super-1 & ZO.

- Change the Horoscopes from the school board to a student council. The chairman can still be the main antagonist. But there are things I wanna change.... the Horoscopes are twelve members of the student council. The chairman... Gamou Mitsuaki will be Ophiuchus instead.

One of the horoscopes however, betrays them to join the good guys. In fact, Sagittarius can be Gamou's grandson.

- Get rid of Ohsugi!

- Have Kengo become Fourze just once!

Gentaro is based on Stronger to a lesser decree than the others; but he still counts. His plot in Megamax is a condensed version of how Stronger gained his super mode. Likewise for Skyrider: Ryusei filled in that role but it was only stated during a Kamen Rider Quiz Time.

edit: wrong thread oops lol that's never happened before

Really?

Didn't know that.

Gentaro -> Stronger
Ryusei -> Skyrider

But if there were other new members. How about those based on Super-1 & ZO?

And what do you think of changing the Horoscopes from the school board to a student council? Controlling the entire student body and transforming several students into zodiarts.

- Aries should be the main leader
- Ophiuchus should be Gamou... the big bad boss... the MASTERMIND!

On Kabuto, Den-O Kiva & Fourze.

Would you rewrite EVERYTHING!?

Yeah that bothered me about Wizard. I also felt that it had this lack of energy to it.

That's actually a change I would like to see in Den-O.

It's not even a "change" in Den-O, just an acceleration. Cut out the filler and you get a more cohesive story that moves quicker.

If only they made Fourze a dark series. All of Gentaro's talk of friendship makes nothing but lies.

Fourze would've at least had three riders instead of two.

Couldn't they add an opposite of Gentaro? Kengo is no opposite.

Fourze doesn't need to be a "dark" series. There's a reason, a very good reason, it was as fun and lighthearted as it was and it made for one of the most fun seasons of this franchise that I've personally sat through. Not everything needs to be grimdark to be good. Ryuki manged it fairly well, W had a solid balance between it, and Fourze even had some good, dramatic moments without being needlessly dark and brooding about it.

Yeah, rewriting Fourze as dark kinda destroys the whole point of it. At that stage you may as well just write a brand new show in its stead.

I haven't finished Den-O but I got about a quarter of the way through and I actually would have preferred the show to slow down or at least be more thoughtful.

Ryou was getting a new form pretty much every other episode, and as each new form was an actual character it was frustrating to see them shoved under the rug as soon as they were introduced.

This was especially true of Rod Form, which proved to be useless as soon as it was included and that stupid gun form that took over just when the awesome that was Axe Form was included.

And no I didn't find the "witty banter" in the cluttered traincar fun.

It would've been... It would be better for Fourze to be a dark series like Blade.

I mean wouldn't they have a.... "keep your friends close... and keep your enemies closer".

I don't think anything is wrong with Ouja at all. Yeah, when you take Ouja at his absolute core, he's basically just a psychopath with constant urges to kill but that's what makes his character stand out to me. Asakura didn't need to be charismatic, that's what Kitaoka was there for and, as shown, Kitaoka wasn't the type of Rider Kanzaki needed. He needed somebody that would do damage; nothing more, nothing less and that's exactly what Asakura brings to the table.

Remember up to the point he was introduced there were 6 riders and to put it bluntly, in the grand scheme of Kanzaki's plans, they all sucked. Shinji and Tezuka didn't want to fight, Ren wasn't nearly as heartless as he claimed to be, Kitaoka was too caught up in strategizing to do any actual fighting, Jun was too busy screwing around and fanboying over Asakura and Sudo didn't have any real wish and only killed people (Riders included) who got in his way. Even after Ouja's introduction, the only Rider to even come close to Ouja's killing power was Tiger.

And that right there is Ouja's interesting character trait. He's the only Rider capable of doing what needs to be done and it shows: outside of Knight Survive, I don't think he's lost a straight up fight and he's the only Rider with an actual body count (Ren's doesn't count because Odin let him get the kill and he came back anyway, and Satoru only killed Alternative, who wasn't part of the actual war). Ouja didn't have any sort of redeemable traits that could be exploited to get him out of killing everybody. Really he could have faced Odin himself had he not been so obsessed with Kitaoka.

Plus Ouja could be pretty damn funny at certain points.

But that's still an incredibly basic character. Not even at the core, but altogether.
Ohja's only purpose was the reduce the numbers of the riders. No more. He was a walking plot device.

Character A has no more purpose in the series? Let Ouja kill them. And that's all he did. His character did extend to his obsession with Kitaoka, it was only really brought up around the end.

In response to the first sentence: of course. That's the whole reason he was given a deck in the first place.

Not only that but outside of killing he served as a moral test for Ryuki and Knight, as practically every other character in the series does. Because Ren lacks the conviction to kill, you could almost say he gathers inspiration from Ouja. He makes note of this saying that perhaps he needs to become like Asakura in order to fulfill his wish. Hell, towards the end of the series Shinji starts taking inspiration from Asakura as well. Not only that but Asakura serves as a point to Shinji that even the lowest form of human being is worth keeping alive, as shown In the story arc where Asakura 'saves' the girl (and the series leaves it ambiguous as to whether Asakura is really as heartless as he's portrayed to be at this point). After all that's what the ideal villain IS: somebody that strengthens the hero's own beliefs. Shinji and Asakura have a very Batman/Joker relationship going on.

And his rivalry with Kitaoka was always there. It was usually just obscured by the odd newbie Rider jumping in and making things more complicated and by the fact that Kitaoka and Asakura fights were always either inconclusive or interrupted. There were more Ouja and Zolda clashes than you give credit for. Whenever it was just the main four though, Ouja and Zolda were ALWAYS getting under each other's skins.

To say Ouja was just thrown in whenever a Rider needed to be killed off is just false. He was literally the standard, and at the same time, the example of what a Rider should and shouldn't be.

But that a good character doesn't make.

I don't agree. The ideal villain is a character the hero overcomes. By your definition, Kitaoka was the ideal villain, despite being an antihero. Kitaoka was the one who helped reinforce the Shinji and Ren's ideals, I felt.

How so? It always felt Asakura was less a character and more of a dog on a chain for the writers to let loose. I never saw a form of complexity in his character because every time it seemed he was growing as a character, he'd just laugh in Shinji or Ren's face and spew on about how it was a ruse for his next kill.

That doesn't make it a good reason.

He was a monster of the week who could talk. That's about it.

He could've been taht and had any kind of personality.

No, you really couldn't.

That's not inspiration. That's Ren struggling over his want to win the game, but his inability to be a murderer.

And it's still not a personality for Ouja.

They could've done that and gave him some kind of personality or character.

It really doesn't. At all. He's just a psycho.

No, absolutely not.

That's HALF of an ideal villain. The other half is being a convincing villain. Someone where, even if we don't agree with their motives, we can see that they have motives.

Asakura HAS no motives. Since you compare him to the Joker below, let's roll with that. The Joker is utterly insane, and unpredictable. It's unknown exactly what he'll do everytime he goes on a rampage, if he'll blindly murder or just fuck with everyone. He derives immense pleasure and amusement from the things he does, but also becomes aggressively violent at the drop of a hat. His mood swings are dangerous, bt also endearing. It's hard not to laugh when he tells someone not to speak, asks them a question, then hits them for answering. He's like a cartoon character in a world of regular people, except he's not the bouncy, bright kind. More like the demented kind. Hell, Joker's probably the single worst kind of human being in the world. He's a murderer, a sadist, a bully, a racist, and has done truely revolting things... and yet you still like him and even feel bad for him sometimes. THAT is what an ideal villain is.

Asakura is EXCEEDINGLY predictable and one-track, and is not endearing at all. There's no surprises or intrigue with him. He hurts people, big whoop. he's not funny, he's not scary. He doesn't instill fear or unrest in everyone. He hangs around with the other riders and nobody cares. I still remember that immensely moronic scene where the big four of Ryuki got together and Kitaoka held a vote on wether Shinji was an idiot, to which everyone voted yes, even Ouja. Like he was a regular guy, joking around with his buds. This actually WOULD be reminiscent of Joker-style antics, except everyone else apprently forgot he was an unrepentant killer and acted like he was a normal dude. Even the characters find him utterly boring. There's nothing TO him. He has NO personality. "I want to hurt people" is not a personality.

Not even close. batman and Joker's relationship is far too complicated to even be compared.

Joker and Batman are damn-near obsessed with eachother, Joker more than Batman. Anytime Joker escapes, Batman shifts all focus on him, and almost everything Joker does, it's to get pointy-ears' attention. He gets depressed or in denial when Batman is presumed dead, and devises huge elaborate schemes to confront him with. And true to form, even THIS is unpredictable to everyone but him. One moment Joker can be trying his hardest to muder Batman, the next he defends him. Batman, on the other hand, only wants Joker jailed. Joker tests Batman so much, more than once Batman has admitted to fantasising about killing Joker. THAT is how much Joker infuriates Batman.

Shinji and Asakura... are practically non existent in comprarrison. Shinji has no real opinion of Asakura, and inconsistently shifts focus on and off him. Asakura barely knows Shinji exists, and doesn't really care. Ren is more of a nemesis to Asakura than Sinji.

Joker tests Batman's will against killing. Asakura tests Shinji's will to stop the fighting. The difference is that Batman's goal is accomplishable.
Shinji's goal, however, is dead on arrival. That's the point. It's pointless to believe that needs to be tested. That's like one guy's goal being to blow up the sun with his thoughts, and another guy hellbent on breaking his concentration, as if the first guy's goal isn't absurd enough.

So even as a foil, Ouja fials.

This is partly true. This was easily the highlight of Ouja's character, and the culmination of this plot thread in the final episode was MASTERFULLY pulled off.

However, you give it FAR too much credit, and this is where my idea of Ouja being MORE infrequent would've helped. Because the rivalry was spread so thin, it seemed like it wasn't as important to the characters. Had teh series been shorter, and Ouja appeared less, these moments would've seemed MORE important.

Maybe, but it's not far off.

Asakura never did anything besides kill people. It may not have been his purpose, but it's what he ultimately ended up doing. I mean, he never even DID anything by himself. Or when he did, it was just running from cops and getting mad. It was clear that they had no idea what to do with him when all of his down time was the same old shit of him running and fuming. Again, since you brought up Joker, when HE is on downtime, it's usually doing something utterly unpredictable, like killing a donut shop owner, or robbing stores for money. Which IS unpredicatble for the Joker, since he's not usually so petty for cash, but money is a humanizing aspect that reinforces that he does still succumb to the problems of normal humans and IS a human, instead of some unrealistic thing. Asakura is not human. He never suffers from human problems. The interesting thing about Joker-like characters is how their superhuman personalities react to human problems. What Joker's hungry or needs money, he steal it, and his character makes this barbaric act amusing or insightful in HOW he does it, something Asakura never does. Asakura does not react. He only acts, and acting does tell us as much as reacting.

Not even close, and I cannot fathom how you came to this point. Unless you mean riders within the context of Ryuki, but even still...

This is where it becomes really hard to not spoil Ryuki, but this ties in with the entire plot of Ryuki being NONSENSE. The rider battle makes no sense, and the point is never explained. Ryuki has probably the worst main plot of any rider series ever, because it is complete nonsense. Thus, what Ouja represents is hard to pin down, since it's not clear what the fighting accomplished. It gave the winner power, but we don't know how. It gave Yui's brother the ability to save her... but we're not told how or why he couldn't just do it himself. If he created the game, why didn't he use that power to save her instead of making some elaborate nonsense?

Okay I've only seen half of Wizard, and am up to the 40's in W. I wouldn't change a thing about W, but going with a lot of discussion about Wizard I have an idea.

Haruto started out as a finished hero. He didn't change much over the series (outside of power ups) and his beliefs were pretty well unshakable. If they would've given him an arch closer to the beginning or early-middle where he thinks he is Hope incarnate and has to deal with losing a person or two to despair, having to put down the resultant Phantom, having to struggle with rising doubt while controlling Dragon, and eventually hardening his beliefs THEN and becoming unshakable enough to fully control Dragon.
Of course, it would be a lot more anime cliches, but hell.. it would've given more of a sense of progression in the series.
Within the first 10 episodes of Wizard, I thought that's where the series was gonna go.. NOOOOOPE.

Cliche isn't inherently bad. Being cliche is okay, as long as you do it well. Only when it's done out of laziness or half-hearted does it stand out.

If they rewritten Wizard, Haruto would've became the Dragon Phantom somehow. Perhaps dealing with his former friend's injury and his girlfriend blaming him for the accident.

As for Beast... not much purpose for him since that whole mayonnaise thing and with his grandma. He would've had a bike of his own.

Wizard would've had more riders. Like 8.

The white wizard well... he would've had another name too. Like Arch-Mage, since he is one with all the great magic. Wiseman would've been the most lethal villain like Maki/Dino Greeed from OOO.