Taking off the helmet.
 

Does anybody want, just once, in Gaim or any future rider series, for them to take off the helmet? Like just for a scene? maybe as a climactic finish, during battle, Kouta's helmet is broken off, and he finishes the fight unmasked.

It's really, really cool to see the actors in the suits. It really give you the idea that they're one in the same, and it hasn't been done in a while. I actually think Skull was the last time I saw a rider without his helmet on. It doesn't even have to be Gaim himself, maybe a different rider. Marika is the same actor in and out of suit, they could do it with her, easily.

I actually would like to see something like that. Now I don't want to see like a removable helmet they can just take off whenever. That always seems rather silly to me. But battle damage I'm all down for. Riders never seem to experience it the same way that sentai do.

^My thought exactly. The Go-Onger's final roll-call, the Goseigers final roll-call, and I could go on. Even Power Rangers did it when Leo got his helmet ripped open by Trikena in Lost Galaxy. I would love for that to happen. And Gaim seems like the series to have it happen in. Especially with the way Kouta just throws himself at situations.

It's weird, the only show in recent memory where they take off the helmets is in Hibiki...where the suits are meant to be physical forms and not armours....fucks sake.

Yeah, I don't need them taking the helmets off and holding them, I just want to see the actor's face in the suit.

Battle damage sounds good, but having the helmet totally removed would be best.

In Kamen Rider Taisen, there is actually a scene where Kouta appears helmet-less briefly in pre-arms just before the Orange falls.

They do not "take off" the helmets. Zanki states in one episode that they untransform just their heads- in that episode, Todoroki changes back completely and is naked under his "suit".

Haven't got that far yet.

Yeah, when Hibiki riders transform all their clothes burn off. "Taking off' the helmet is just a way of de-henshining without showing your weiner.

:lol

The helmet damage bit has actually happened once in Rider that I remember. In the final battle of the Kiva movie, Otoya as Ixa's helmet was damaged while he was taking out a monster, then he took it off and fought Arc helmetless with Wataru.

I do agree that it is something that should happen more. Seeing the actor actually wearing the suit really helps to bridge the disconnect that tends to happen between a character and their Rider form.

Bravo without a helmet. That is all.

Anyway, a helmetless final fight just needs to occur between Kouta and Ryoma.

While a helmetless fight would be cool we do have to keep in mind the actor's safety. Skulls only work for so long and yes I do know that there are parts with the actors doing stunts, like Gaku's flip into Jinba Lemon.

It's just that things can go wrong very fast when you least expect it too and is it stated that Kamen Riders have to keep the helmet on as a general rule unless it's a exception like the G guys from Agito?

There's doing cool things and having them go well......and then there are accidents that could have been avoided with some foresight.

The suit's sleeves aren't big enough for his arms. :lol

You... do you really think those helmets actually do anything?

They're probably less safe than not wearing a helmet. None of the stunts they do are any more dangerous than stunts unhelmetted individuals do. The helmets offer less visibility, are probably harder to breathe in, and are hotter no doubt. The helmets deffinitely don't function to offer any protection, being so small and-form fitting.

A helmetless fight would be safer. Plus, the stunts they do in suit are downright tame compared to most stuff. Kouta's backflip into jinba was easily the most "dangerous" stunt ever pulled in Gaim. You realise that most of these fights are just swiping and sparks. Or shooting VFX that don't actually exist. What do you expect them to do in an unhelmetted fight?

I thought they made those safer. Guess I was wrong....again.

It's just I'm so tired of being treated like an idiot. I miscalculated the durability of the helmets and to be fair I'm something of a worrywort.

But it seems like every time I post something here it's picked apart because it's wrong or "You didn't think this though"

It also seems like you're being rather harsh in dealing criticism. You know I tried to be a part of this forum but if all it seems like is just me making mistakes then I'm done. It sucks when every opinion, everything you thought was right being told it's WRONG.

It happened to Garren near the end of Blade, too.

I guess when you're part of a franchise called "Masked Rider," the helmet is a little more important than in Sentai.

Anyway, it would be nice to see the characters in without them just once. It provides a better illusion that they're actually the ones in the suit.

I feel the need to step in here. Guys, Ladies, shall we not hurt each other's feelings and act more like adults and mature young people? Thank you.

I loved that part, it was awesome.

I mean most of the early Kamen Riders I felt like the suit was actually their new form more than just Armor and that they actually couldn't take off the helmets because it's their actual head.

Some like the people in Blade, possibly the Faiz and Kabuto Riders, Probably All the Neo-Heisei riders (Except for say Double, and OOO), and any of the technological suit riders (G3-X, Birth, IXA, and the like.) I could definitely see being able to take off their helmets.

"Oh come on! I didn't even do anything this time!"
-My thoughts before I realized you weren't speaking to me :lol

Well, doesn't G3 have to manually apply his helmet anyway?

It's not actually wrong- because the helmets DO provide safety in a way: They allow the actor to be replaced by an experienced suit actor that has been working as a stuntman in a suit for years and years before.
Even in Sentai, helmetless fights are usually just the finishers, because it would be a stupid idea to have the actors do the actual fighting, especially considering the little explosion effects on the suit- those are extremely dangerous if you do not wear a helmet and do not have any experience with them (the suit actors usually trigger those explosions on their body themselves btw.)
With a partially broken helmet, there's the advantage of having the actor in it for close-ups, which usually happens while they're just standing there for a moment, while in the actual fight scenes, they can have the suit actor in it again.

Remember, the actors didn't do all the suit work anymore since (I think) Takeshi Hongo's actor got seriously hurt and had to pause for a while. The first actress to do her own suit acting again is Kamen Rider Marika, but she also has a sub to replace her occasionally.

It would be cool to see someone in Gaim fight with a broken helmet, but for the actor's safety and because it just doesn't fit Rider in general, I'm against a full helmetless fight.
It would be cool though to have the Riders put off the helmets for a moment when they talk to someone after a battle.

Heisei Riders who had their face shown be it battle damage or no battle damage after henshin:

G3 from Kamen Rider Agito

Garren from Kamen Rider Blade

Hibiki + onis from Kamen Rider Hibiki

Kamen Rider Ixa 86 from Kamen Rider Kiva

I always figured with characters like W or Accel, the suit actually becomes their body. No way in hell Terui actually folds out into a motorcycle.

He didn't transform so much as lay down. Look at the design, his body didn't contort into something you or I couldn't do. All he did was lay down, fold out some tires, and he was a motorcycle.

And Blade too. He got part of his helmet shot off in one episode.

Or vagina if you're one of those lucky few. :D

You do realise I'm not asking for them to never used helmets again, right?

Like, let's have context here. I just want a scene. You know, so that Kouta doesn't look like he is so obviously replaced by a totally different actor when he transforms. Like at the climactic end.

And AU Skull.

Which is why for all it's goofiness, I like his bike mode. The suit transforms around him.

W deffinitely couldn't go helmetless.

It's weird isn't it, despite the strong character focus found in Gaim they haven't even tried to make the suit actors match the characters except for Marika as it's the same person.

Well, they've tried, but Gaim in the suit is way more energetic than Kouta is, because he has to be.

I mean, do you realise how bloody static they'd be. :lol But then of course the illusion is weakened because Kouta isn't spasming to act through a bulky suit and helmet all the time.

Which is why going helmetless for whatever reason would really help. Then again, much like in Power Rangers, I just assume that when wearing a costume basically made of enegry, it kind of makes you more antsy and dramatic in your movements. (and since we know the belts funnel energy straight into the riders, since even a weak lockseed staves off hunger and fatigue, that theory has weight)

The fuck are you talking about? I think the suit actors match the characters relativity well.

Does Birth count? Because we did have the shot inside the helmet ala Iron Man.

Not really, because you're not seeing him in the suit, you're just seeing his face.

Though it's VFX, you do see Birth with the helmet "unfinished" during transformation. But it's not the same.

No way man his head bends back at such an angle that he'd snap his neck if he were still human plus the shock absorbers that go right against his collarbone, which would be intensely painful considering some of the stunts the bike pulls off.

Id love to see Gaim have his helmet busted open or something. Maybe just like an overlord punch his visor and it opens.

Although I have always wondered when those kind of scenes happen, wouldnt some of the glass or whatever that universe uses for the helmets, hit them in the face or maybe in the eye? Always made me wonder :lol