Is Super Sentai's villain begin to suck?
 

I feel Deboth is easily forgottable and they suck.

I know they're alien but I don't understand why the design of them look silly. Don't get me start on Deboth's Leader. He look like Santa Claus turn into a butterfly. Really?! Riku Sanjo?! That a design you go with?!

I got a message for Toei.

MAKE THE VILLAIN BADASS AGAIN!!! Have them kill cute character or hurt them! Radiguet did that! He even kill a girl!

I will not watch any Sentai show if Riku Sanjo involved in any Episode, Movie or V-Cinema.

Do you actually have complaints with any other villains in recent years or was this thread just made for you to have a go at Kyoryuger again?

I don't like the show either, but just let it go. Kyoryuger is over dude.

No. This thread is meant for recent villain. Why Toei cannot have Villain to actually kill character or civilian. The 80s did that. But why they suddenly have villain softer than early Sentai Villain like Radiguet.

It's funny how many people on here think mindless brutality makes for a great villain. Violence loses the shock, if it's unrelenting and cruel. The best kind of villain is one who shows restraint, makes others get their hands dirty so when the real villain suddenly acts it becomes all the more shocking.

I do think though that sentai villains sit on their hands for too long, and ultimately don't do enough over the course of their respective series. I just wish sentai put more time into showing the villains developing plans and goals because half the reason I've never been able to take sentai villains seriously is the idea of sending one monster down at a time when there are no in story reasons for why they aren't just rushing down there and sealing the deal - well other than the fact that half the time the villains motivations are unclear as all shit.

Yes, but your entire opening post was simply an excuse to express your distain for Kyoryuger. Which you've already done plenty of times.

There have been plenty of decent villains in the last few years. Enter was fantastic. Basco was great (which helped balance the uselessness of the Zangyack). Brajira was excellent throughout even if his end plan was a little anticlimactic. The Shadow Line have been pretty fantastic so far for a show that's been on the whole quite light hearted in tone.

As for why they don't kill any more. Its not the 80s anymore - times have changed and arguably the audience has shifted.

I actually don't think the villains have been all that threatening since GekiRanger. Sure, we have had badasses inbetween like Juuzo and Basco, but I think overall the main villains have been extremely lack luster over the last several years. I think the biggest problem is that they are all just generic. You could put any villain in their place and get the same results.

That is kinda the thing, ain't it? I really enjoyed Juuzo, Dereputa and Escape but minus visual differences their roles in their respective stories were largely similar and equally as shallow overall.

The problem is, even in Japan that kind of stuff is frowned upon the 21st century has a bunch of people who are afraid of blood these days, heck even a bruise is considered a severe wound in a show now. Of course like you said Locke, the best villains make plans & have people do work for them till that fails & the main villain has to get off his or her a** & take care of the heroes & heroines standing in his or her way. Also vin13ish, please learn proper grammar before making a thread dude, seriously.

Don't look at a villain based on how crude they are. Look at the bigger picture.
For example, Radiguet killed a person. Deboss, essentially, reset the Earth.

No I think the villians are pretty good.

Shinkenger had some pretty great villains.


Gosieger had the one core villian who was nice.

Gokaiger had Basco, and the Zangyack were an empire.

Go-Busters had Enter and Escape, some great villians right there.

Kyoryuger, while having some goofy villains, they were sort of okay to deal with.

Tokkyuger, hasn't had some threatening villains, I mean there were a couple but as of today they aren't to threatening.

So they don't suck, because when I watch Super Sentai I keep my expectations low to the ground, like when I watch PR, I don't set my expectations so high that everything is a disappointment, just low enough, or even blank, for me to enjoy Super Sentai.

You realize that Super Sentai is a kids show…right? :eyebrow

Times have changed, not to mention the sensors are probably a lot more stirckt about that kind of stuff these days.

Not only that, but it sounds like all you want is grim dark and mindless brutality, and those don't always equal a better show.

While I'm all for some Kyoryuger villain bashing, I do not agree that Super Sentai's villains have been sucking lately. If anything the villains have been getting a hell of a lot better recently, though mostly thanks to Kobayashi's solid writing. Every series she's been the head writer on has had at least one or two stand out villains that could sell the show on their own.

Makes me sad to so much Kyoryuger bashing on Tokunation.

Don't worry bud, it's just the one guy.

Have to look at the bigger picture and the grand scheme of things on why Toei is doing what they're doing. As a few have said times have changed, today's society is very PC oriented. Also the villains NEED to FIT in with the rest of the factors in a show.

Don't worry, I'll still be here to defend Kyoryuger.

And like Kiryu said.. it's a kids show. So, as much as you apparently want it, you're never going to see Schwarz pull out his sword and slice off Right's arm. That's just not going to happen. That being said.. Sentai Villains in recent years have gotten a lot better. Enter and Escape being the two examples I can think of. Even people who don't like Go-Busters (Like me) love Enter and Escape (Again, Me).
Then you have Bureduran No Comet from Tensou Sentai Goseiger, Juuzo from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, Rio and Mele from Jyuken Sentai Gekiranger. Rio and Mele, going by Sentai I've actually seen here, I think are where the trend towards excellent villains started.

You don't like the Beboss Army, or Kyoryuger, that's entirely you're right. More power to you. But your premise is flawed. If anything villains have been getting much better with Ressha Sentai ToQger. The Shadowline have had some excellent, outright excellent, Monsters of the Week. (I'm bad with names so) Like the Reaper who sang about dead bodies, for example. And even a throwaway like the Magnifying Glass villain from the Fire Ressha episode helped make (what was for me) a meh episode into something worth watching.

My problem is, if this is indeed a factor, it makes no sense. I mean, the sensors in Japan have no problem with incest, but showing blood and death is not okay. DAFUQ? ?_?

Has the entire world just turned into a bunch of pansies that kids are no longer allowed to know the concept of death?

Wait wait wait wait wait! WHAT? What on earth are you referring to???

Besides... Japan is one of the countries that confronts children with death really often, compared to, say, the US. Just because people don't die that often on screen anymore, it doesn't mean no one dies at all. And villain deaths are also as equally deaths as those of those of civilians. Aigallon, for example had pretty stretched out death scene and no one ever denied that he died or something. Also, Torin and the Spirit Rangers didn't survive the finale.

Other examples of people dying on screen in Sentai the last few years are for example Magis in Goseiger or the 16th generation of the Shinkenger. Yeah, it's not so much civilians that die, but mostly, it is implied they are also killed (like in Shinkenger, with the little boy that lost his father in a Gedoushu attack). Just because they do not take those scenes on-screen, it doesn't mean they don't happen.

THANK GOD IT DOESN'T! >,<

Heh, even I defend that show more often than I bash it these days.

I'm referring to all of those series that have a sister in love with the brother, brother in love with their sister, a harem anime where a cousin is one of the lovers, etc. Or you have series where the father is in love with the daughter.

There were like 3-4 anime series last year that had incest in them, which is okay, but big time violence is not.

Now do I think villains need to kill people in order to be threatening? No. However, I do think it is a little annoying to have a giant monster attacking a city but we don't see a single person get hurt. And then we have these monsters that will come up with this elaborate plan, but everything is fixed by the end of the episode when the monster is defeated.

And I do wish Schwartz would slice off Right's arm. It might actually make the show interesting enough for me to actually want to start watching it again.

And how much of those were intend to be watched by little five year old kids?

I´m not trying to be snarky I´m just asking because that was the whole point about the sensors thing. They dont show as much violence on Sentai anymore compared to like jetman since the target audience for these shows completely shifted.

Okay people, let's drop the whole incest conversation now.

Yes, but Gaim has shown they can still have people die and get injured, which airs right after Sentai. As such, I fail to understand how that should matter.

Finally, that comment about the target audience shifting is more so telling me that the audience today just got dumber, as Sentai has always been targeting kids.

Man, the 90s was just the best in every for both the US and Japan. I mean, in the US we had Batman TAS, Gargoyles, and Animaniacs, while Sentai was in its best decade ever in Japan.

To quote the Joker, "What happened? Did your balls drop off?"

Yes Rider airs right after Sentai but there is still a difference in its target audience. Rider is aimed at Kids that are a little bit older than the general sentai crowd. Plus there is the difference in time slots. There are things you are allowed to show at 8 am in japan that you arent allowed to show at 7:30 am.

And yes Sentai was always meant for kids but the old shows were also meant to be watched by Teenagers and adults. Those shows werent just meant for Kids. Thats why they had more violence and overall more adult material in them to keep the older demographic interested. Thats also why they aired later in the day and not in the morning.

Here in germany its pretty much the same thing. TV Channels arent allowed to show PG-13 material during the day. Channels are only allowed to show them after 6 pm. If they wanna show a movie like Transformers before that the Channels have to censor them so they can get a PG rating.

Convoy pretty much summed it all up and best. Sentai and Kamen Rider has always been aimed towards kids, it's just that Sentai is sold as more of a kids show. Let me put it this way, Sentai is like the original Ninja Turtles cartoon and Kamen Rider is like the first Ninja Turtles movie. Both are meant for kids, but the movie is a bit more oriented towards the older crowd.

Besides, does it really matter? Yes it is fun to see the destruction a monster causes both in terms to buildings and people, but it's not like it makes or breaks the show or the character.

This, pretty much.

I dunno, I think there is a limit. Using a slightly weird example on paper, the 2005 War of the Worlds was extremely contrived, where for all the wanton destruction by the aliens, Ray was able to survive every near miss and come out on top in every scenario. It was so ridiculous, that despite the awful things happening to him, he seemed so immortal that I found his near misses hard to care for.

Likewise for sentai, we know the heroes will always win, but what matters is how they win and the conflict they overcome to get there. I have had huge frustrations at the ineffectual nature of sentai villains, from the Messiah Metaroids who despite all their build up achieved absolutely nothing to the Zangyack who were depicted as a cruel, destructive force in flashbacks but the ones the Gokaiger actually fought were always largely comic relief, and so I found it hard to enjoy the battles as there was never a tangible sense of danger to quell my disbelief. I never questioned if they'd win, it was all too easy.

Thinking about some of the more violent Sentai villains I've seen, they tended to be rather ineffectual. Radiguet was too insane to create a proper plan, Brajira was menacing, but he didn't seem to ever do much (While his endgame I don't recall being particularly impressed with), Tranza didn't accomplish anything, and Long banked too much on his immortality to take anything seriously.

What's wrong with incest? Love is love~

What's wrong if the villains look silly. I mean Super Sentai has some silly looking characters in the past and no bitch about that? To me, I always like how wired that the monsters look because they always look so cool and odd looking. In America, we don't get monsters that look neat and odd looking.

Well, when you're trying to convince an audience that these are evil beings trying to destroy/conquer the planet, it's a bit more difficult when you can't take them seriously*

*I know some series do this intentionally, like Kyoryu, I'm just speaking in general

I wouldn't mind more Villains like Rio, Mele, Enter, and Escape. Ones that look human and have a powered form/monster form. I love those.

More villains like Rio and Mele would make me a happy Matrix~

Naruto and One Piece has some violent stuff that happens on TV and there's main target group is elementary school aged boys. I guess live action violence is stricter then animated violence. At least they are as strict as they were in the 70's. The 70's Devilman TV series would never allow the same level of violence you see in the manga.

Again there is a difference in when they air. Naruto airs during japanese Prime time between 7 pm and 10 pm. This is alot later than Sentai and Rider air thats why they can show more violence in their programming.

I am loving this entire argument of the only way a villain can be good is to be ultra-violent. You know, instead of having a good backstory and good acting and good development.

No. He has to go around beating women unconscious and slicing open people's stomachs.

Exactly. We've all thrown our two cents in, but the fact of the matter is who gives a rats ass if you always see the destruction the character causes. It does not add to their CHARACTER and make them good or bad as a character, nor does it mean the show is any better or any worst.

Don't forget having good, intreket plans because who needs those?

Nah. Just show up and stab someone. That's detailed enough. :rolleyes

You know, it's kind of a shame what they did with Radiguet.
In the time span of one episode (The one where he killed a woman, as noted in the opening post), he actually gained a surprising amount of depth that could have made him into quite the amazing villain.
But they just made him even more insane and the events of that episode were never brought up again...

How is 730 any different from 8?