Heisei Rider vs Showa Rider: Kamen Rider Taisen feat. Super Sentai
 

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Well, the RAW is out for this film. Pretty good movie! It was great to see so many old actors return. That was really the highlight.

The whole interaction between Jin and Takumi was really well-done, and I did like how it made their friendship at the end seem worth it.

Seeing Hongo and Ryo back again after so long is really awesome too. I also loved how Decade was pretty much the main character of this movie, doing his best to save everyone.

Kaito and Shotaro were hilarious, and the director change was great cause the action this time was pretty superb. Oh yeah, Gaim Ichigou Arms kicked ass. Though I think Fifteen was a little OP for the most part.

The plot was pretty awful but this had enough going for it that I could overlook that. Definitely the best Rider crossover movie.

Also, a reminder to use spoiler tags - this is pretty recent and there aren't any subs up.

I'm really excited to see all of the Riders interact. Especially Takumi and Haruto, even if it is just for one scene.

Happy to see Shotaro and Haruto again, and damn Takumi's voice got deep. I'm a bit pissed about how he seems that sad about Kusaka's death, considering he knew very well how much of a bastard he was. Sure, Takumi's nice enough to (likely) not have wanted him dead, but interrupting Wizard and X from attacking the death-whatever-machine because of some guilt? Bullshit. Sure, the story isn't meant to be great, but that in particular bugged me. As always though, wished at least some of the other Heisei form changed a bit, plenty of moments would have been great if say Kuuga just chose to be a Dragon form, or if Decade tried more than just Hibiki or Kuuga against Fifteen. Really the only reason Fifteen was tough for them was because they seemed to forget "Oh right, we're Heisei era. We shift forms if our default ain't cutting it". Gaim and Wizard seemed to get that at least.

Getting the raw for the Heisei ending at the moment. Thinking of subbing it. Is Aesir/O-T going to?

Wait a sec, is that Toei Spiderman I see in the far back? Right above Decade behind the mook with the yellow boots.

Looks like another one of those grunts from the Toqgr vs Gaim special, and there is three of them in the back.

It's Badan's combatman

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Regarding Takumi's thoughts about Kusaka's death, that's presumably why they changed Takumi's flashback to show him watching Kusaka's death first hand, rather than just keeping his original death. That way, it's easier to show why it seems to be such a burden on him in this movie.

Compared to the other crossover movies, there was quite a bit of form changing, even suit-only characters did it, like Agito, OOO and Fourze. But, of course, it could have been better.

It was especially odd during that fighting scene where Wizard, Fourze and later W and Decade all team up against Fifteen. There's quite a bit of screentime of just Wizard and Fourze fighting against him, and neither changed forms or used any abilities there (Wizard initially uses one, but once he goes Wizard Arms he pretty much does nothing).

So out of O-T and Aseir do we know who going to subb it

I would assume it will be O-T.

O-T stated they wouldn't be doing it on their site:
http://over-ti.me/releases/hooked-raw-feeling/#comments

Look at Ignis's reply to the 3rd comment.

Aseir will likely do it, but it will be a while. I would imagine that they are no in hurry to sub it.

In that case, is there any captions or anything to go by so it can be translated (correctly)?


I know there's audio TL and it is a movie with good sound, but I'd prefer captions.

I'm just kinda curious how subbing works among them, Aseir has Gaim and they're the go to peeps for Gaim subs, but they didn't sub the Toqger vs Gaim special and the Wizard vs Gaim movie either. Like do they PM each other and deal on what they can and can't sub?

I think it just depends on who decides to translate the movies. Like, since Magenta decided to translate Gaim, they went over to Aesir. But if Magenta doesn't decide to translate Kamen Rider Taisen, then it would be O-T's job. But, O-T stated that they're not doing it, so it's either Magenta or nothing, I believe.

Except for TV-N, who I'm sure will be doing the movie.

and if its TV nihon we want get it till Xmas

Guys, someone will do it. The fan subbing community is pretty close knit and I highly doubt no one but TV-Nihon are gonna do a big release like this.

Seriously, I can wait for subs because I honestly don't feel like watching that movie again. I expected it to be Super Hero Taisen-bad, but it was even worse. The action was horribly lame, the plot was overly dramatic in an annyoing way and it felt more like a Faiz-movie than anything else. It was also extremely stretched out, the time didn't seemed to pass at all while watching it.
It had a few nice moments (such as the whole story with Shotaro and Kaito) but the whole Takumi/Kusaka thing was bullshit imho. I just recently watched Faiz and thus remember quite well how the actual story went so... yeah, I was kinda angry, despite not liking the show itself. I didn't even get the whole VS. part at the end, from what I understood of the dialogue, it was kinda random. Same goes for using the Sentai characters. Why do Riders need the Sentai mecha again for fighting an evil giant? The have J, damn it!

I doubt it, but is there a transcript of the movie? Or captions, etc.? I feel like I could use those. I searched Kitsunekko but there's none for KR Taisen.

I'm not going into this with high hopes, but I want to see it because of all the returning actors, especially X and ZX.

I have high hopes for this movie.

I saw it and yeeeeah...it was kind of a let down.


See my problem is that, for arguably the biggest crossover Rider has ever had, our focus is shifted to a select few characters. The fun in doing a big crossover like this is seeing how these characters interact with each other. Yeah, having the, say, Kabuto suit make an appearance again is cool and all, but all he is is a glorified extra. I don't "feel" like Tendou Souji has returned, for all I know, he could be his weird Decade A.R. counterpart or someone else entirely. That's probably the movie's biggest problem, you've got about 30 different Riders all with their own personality traits, but the movie only focuses on like, 7 of them. It's a problem when, in a Rider movie, the Sentai characters get more focus and attention than a majority of the Riders. TBH, the Sentai characters were just unnecessary.

I don't know why they bothered retconning Kusaka's death from the original series. It would've worked just fine, and would help the audience understand that, yes, everything from the original Faiz series could have possibly happened, and it leaves a bigger impact on the audience if they DID see Faiz.

I guess that's the big issue with the movie as a whole. They throw a bunch of familiar suits (and some faces) in your face, but it just feels like fluff. When watching the movie, yeah, I recognized the suits, but it didn't recognize the characters IN the suit. I never got the feeling of "Yeah, that's Shinji and Kotaro tag-teaming a monster!" or "Tendou and Godai are kicking ass together!"

So I saw the heisei winning version and am confused at the ending. The way I remember it is that for the heisei winning version they have an original track by the KR Girls but instead I got Dragon Road 2014. Anyone know about this?

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So, Imagination Station decided to give it a go...

YAYAYAY im excited.

so i dont know much about this feature... did they release 2 versions in theaters or something?

There are two endings to the film: one where the Heisei Riders win and one where the Showa Riders win. Before it was released, Toei held a vote for fans to see which side would win in the theatrical release. Then they ignored the results and made it so the Heisei Riders won. :rolleyes

The Showa victory ending does exist and was going to be included on the dvd. so far, though, the only raw that's been leaked is the theatrical version.

One thing I noticed that I really liked was when, and I'll put it in spoilers just to be safe, Ichigo mentioned that the Heisei Riders' attachment to the dead was what helped cause the Badan Empire to rise from the underworld. If you notice the Riders he's addressing, they all experienced some kind of loss that they clung to after the fact. OOO with Ankh, Wizard with Koyomi, Shoutarou with Narumi Soukichi, Faiz with Kaixa, Kouta with Yuuya and even though I haven't watched Kiva, I'm sure it applies to him as well.

I thought it was a pretty good detail to throw in there.

That's actually a great point. They really should have given OOO and Kiva some lines there too to drive that fact home. Anyway, Kiva had his father and girlfriend.

The fact the Showa Riders are basically their senpai, and the veterans and them just shoving that fact up the Hesei riders face was quite amusing.

Another thing I liked was how the Showas confronting Kouta and the other Heiseis once the war started were the Legendary Seven Riders with Black taking Stronger's spot.Seeing as Stronger, Skyrider and Super-1 were all defeated before the confrontation and ZX's reveal had yet to happen, it made sense for Black to be the next in line to fill the spot.

just finished watching! a couple things... protecting a single flower!? lol what the heck. also... i think the toqgers 5 min appearance was the most i've liked them. not because they didnt talk but the fighting seemed better (or maybe it was just in my head) anyway. i've only seen gaim, kabuto, fourze, and W (and masked rider hah), so i might not have appreciated as much as other people, but i really enjoyed it. :)

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That's such a beautiful shot... *makes it my new wallpaper*

Okay, that was awesome. It had a few low points (Fourze's replacement voice, the Showa Riders being dicks for no reason, the Heiseis not just using their final forms to curbstomp the Showas) but overall I loved it. A few thoughts:

-The Showa Rider transformations were great, especially seeing Hongo go all cyborg while tranfroming into Ichigo.
-Kusaka remains an unrepentant asshole, even in death. And Takumi is understandably messed up from going through the mess of stupidity, miscommunication and jerkassery that was Faiz.
-I love that someone actually managed to pull the 'pretend to be evil and kill everyone, except not really' on Decade. Now Tsukasa knows how everyone else felt in Movie Wars 2010 and Super Hero Taisen.
-Goddamnit Narutaki, will we ever know what your deal is? You were totally evil in your last to appearances, but now you're being helpful.
-Good to see that Shotaro hasn't stopped being a giant dork. But what was that about Futo being Riderless if you leave? What about Terui?
- Actually, where were all the non-Gaim secondary Riders?
-I like that Haruto was there and seen out of suit, but didn't really have a part in the plot. Helps to reinforce the idea that these are the actual show Riders without needing to get all the actors back.
- Poor Kaito. He is just too serious not to get messed up when caught up in Shotaro's antics.
-Really? The Showas were looking down on the Heisei for still feeling connections for the dead? What about V3's family, or Tackle?
-I love that the only thing that surprises Tsukasa is small Narutaki. Another world inside the Earth with an evil empire? "Eh, I've seen wierder." The Showa Riders are out to kill the Heisei Riders? "I've killed all the Riders before, taking out half of them isn't a big deal."

That was....alright. Its certainly another Taisen movie that's for sure - all spectacle and very little actual substance. Toei need to stop making crossover films if all they can ever do is have sides fight for flimsy reasons or stupid undercover plans.

The Showa Riders really come off badly in this film, and the added "ending" makes it even worse. Yes they do kinda have a point in what they were saying to the Heisei Riders, but its not like they haven't done similar things themselves and they're supposed to be the ultimate heroes. They just seem like grumpy old men who want the new kids off their lawn.

Fifteen was a bit eh as well. I get what they were going for with him but I just couldn't get invested in his story. The Sentai cameos were largely pointless as well but whatever

Decade and Narutaki were on top form though. I absolutely love those guys. Was really great seeing Shotaro again as well, and the Showa actors definitely still have it. I've not watched 555 so Takumi didn't really do much for me nor did his appearance really make me want to watch the show more.

As a last note, I REALLY wish these crossovers would just address the Black/RX thing properly (I guess it just goes by Decade logic, but something concrete would be nice). Oh, and they REALLY need to fire that guy they keep hiring to do the terrible Fourze impression.

This is the same movie where Wizard Infinity and X took the same damage from the same attack at one point. They were in base at the final battle just because that's their iconic look.

In the old ZX special, Kazami pointed out that although he started fighting for revenge, he put it behind him, and all other Riders had done the same. Stronger was also shown to be mostly over Tackle's death by the time of Skyrider (He stops doing his speech and takes a more humble attitude after her death in his own show, but by the time he appears in Skyrider he didn't seem to be burdened by that anymore). Compare to Shotaro, who even after accepting himself, is still largely defined as a person by his inspiration from Narumi.

The main issue here is that many Heisei Riders really don't have attachments to the dead either, the movie just doesn't focus on them, like Kuuga and Kabuto. Then, again, I guess they could retcon some random traumas for them like they did for Faiz and Decade. Maybe Kabuto would angst about Dark Kabuto's death or something if he actually had screentime aside from the battle in the beginning.

To be fair, that's because you've seen the Heisei ending. It's not subbed yet, but in the Showa ending, Narutaki says that Rider 1 wasn't counter attacking through the battle and just wanted to draw out Gaim's full strength, with Gaim realizing that Hongo was just teaching him the meaning of real strength (the same one that Hongo realizes by watching Gaim in the Heisei ending).

That doesn't change that the whole premise of the two sides fighting in the first place is built upon a ridiculous reason. Within the film's actual plot it makes a little more sense (but not a lot more) but the whole Showa/Heisei ending thing feels completely tacked on and doesn't need to be there.

Watching the movie makes me realize that Bandai needs to release another Den-O Ressha but this time as a head. :lol

It's Ryuutaros.

Then he needs to stick to that :lol

Me from four days ago, you are in for a real treat. :thumb:

Also, don't make that stroganoff for dinner on the 13th, it'll be terrible.

So yeah, I went into this with pretty low expectations and, honestly, the first few minutes didn't really do much for me. At that point it just looked like it was going to be a Gaim-centric movie with some small cameos and a lot of retreading of the ZX special. And seeing how badly Micchy and Takatora were getting shoehorned in didn't help.

And then Decade showed up and suddenly everything turned around. I'm going to say it right now and bold it for emphasis: this is how you do an All-Rider crossover movie. It wasn't perfect - the main plot is kind of a mess, the main villain is made of questions and plot holes, and the full fighting force of both the Kyoryugers and ToQgers are blatantly tacked on for no reason beyond cross promotion. Also, tiny Narutaki; what the fuck was up with that? But I don't really care about the small weird bits or random Sentai-ness. This movie did something that should be a mandatory part of every Rider team-up movie from here on out and it did it brilliantly.

Toei is never going to get all of the former Rider actors back. Some of them are retired, some of them are busy, and some of them just plain don't want to return (and, sadly, two cannot return even if they wanted to). As awesome as it would be, we'll never get a Forever Red style All-Riders transformation. But Toei can get some of the actors back and they showed here that they really can make great use of them. Sure, Hongo, Ryou, and Haruto were pretty much just cameos, but Tsukasa, Shotaro, and especially Takumi and Keisuke got several great scenes together. Hell, I'd watch an entire feature-length version of Takumi and Keisuke working together; I loved that part of this film.

And that's what I'd like to see Rider do again: get some of the older actors - Showa or Heisei - and have them interacting, either in subplots or as part of the main story. It was so much fun to see Keisuke try to cheer up Takumi while Tsukasa tries to get Shotaro to help him fight. Even Haruto's short cameo near the end was great - honestly, I kind of liked that he only showed up after getting knocked out of his transformation - it really sold the idea that these were all the real guys and not just ghost suits.

Oh, speaking of ghosts: man, Ghost Kusaka was a dick. :lol

But yeah, I could probably keep gushing over all of this for awhile. I freaking loved this movie. Yes, the plot had problems and that odd little fight at the end was... odd (you can definitely tell that the two endings likely split when Narutaki straight up asks the audience who will win). But the story was far more coherent than most of the earlier team-up films and I don't really care about that last fight, which was obviously just tacked on so the viewers could see one side definitively win (in a very silly way). And really, all I care about after seeing this was all the great interactions between the different Riders and I thought that was handled fantastically. I am so glad I decided to watch this.

Also, lol at cartoon Shin running alongside the bikes during the credits. :lol