The best system upgrade/power up in kamen rider universe
 

First of all, the power granted by golden fruit is already GODLIKE, making Kouta which I believe now should be crowned as the "Most powerful" rider out there. But I believe "Hyper Clock up" should be able to beat Kouta/Man of the beginning. Anybody would like to debate on this one? thanks in advance, just love to hear opinion from others as well. But Kouta is capable of teleport, and various super abilities, but well, Hyper Clock UP all the way!!!

I would take Hyper Clock Up over The God powers. I mean Kabuto could go back in time and stop Kouta before he got God powers. Though this seems more like a who would win between Gaim and Kabuto rather than a best system upgrade post lol.

No offense but..why do you hate Man of the Beginning so much?

Besides I'm pretty sure that Kouta is probably capable of more than that..I mean I like Kabuto but if Mai can time travel then so can probably Kouta.

And going back in time to stop kouta from getting the golden fruit is pretty much the same as replacing your fencing opponents sword with a leek before a match...its cheating

Also kouta was in Kiwami arms when he got the golden fruit and Sagara and a shit ton of invess was there so even if he tried it won't be easy

Im not hating, just curious to know which one is more advantageous between a fight between Hyper clock up versus Kiwami, lol, i dont hate, i love both, and with this post would like to know about other power up as well, but by logic, speed > power in terms of fighting tho

But honestly, kiwami arm is like gamecheat, come on, he has all the ridiculous power such as teleport, flying, shooting beam out from his palm like GOKU, stop enemy attack at ease using some sort of energy field..... kiwami seems capable of almost everything, gosh, so hack

Well it is part of a fruit that can turn anyone into a God so it being all powerful is expected.

As always, I choose to side with Ultimate Kuuga, even though his power is largely theoretical since we never really got to see him cut loose on screen. Honestly, Kiwami never really impressed me much - it's just Gaim with access to more of the dumb fruit weapons. I can think of a lot of final forms that demonstrated stronger powers.

I personally love the Man of Beginning form and Kiwami Arms but I still think that Kivas Emperor form was the best power up. Now before you go all no way get out of here on me let me explain why. Not only does Emperor form Look bad ass but Wataru had to fight to get it he actually uses it to a point where there isn't anyone that stands a chance against him and if my memory isn't screwing with me this form takes a lot out of him while he uses it.

Hyper Zector > Everyone else.
The bastard can travel through time.
I don't quite think people comprehend how powerful that is. He can change reality...
Hell, it's literally impossible to destroy the Hyper Zector because he'll just pull another one from a different point in time where it used to exist!

@Knightwolf - I respect your opinions and stand, just like what i stated before, everyone has the freedom to love whatever they like, I just like to hear from you guys, peace

@Matrixbeast - I'm the same like you, love Hyper Kabuto > other riders, but haha, I would like to be as fair and open as possible. I have 2 opinions here, 1/ No matter how powerful is that Kiwami, but how can it defeat something that it couldn't see and touch, well, the fact is Hyper Kabuto is still the fastest rider there is so Hyper Clock up + Kabuto Kick = end game in less than 5 sec I believe... 2/ Kiwami can pretty much do almost everything, do remember Kiwami has already defy all logic, and the golden fruit pretty much granted him with almost all powerful abilities, like stoppping moving object (shown by roshuo), time travelling as well(shown by Mai), since all that power comes from the same source, well, I can only say Kiwami is the "Cheat game" rider at the moment,

@Switchblade - Rising ultimate kuuga is amazing, but his amazingness was never shown so far....... But I agree dat stat wise, nobody beat this monster....

I think Agito's upgrade is pretty cool when you realize his power up's limit is only limited by infinity itself.

technically, the fight in question would have never happened, meaning nobody would win, because that battle would not have the conditions which started it, and therefore, no battle.

On top of that ^

The Hyper Zecter was so loosely explained. It's a laughably underdeveloped plot device with seemingly no rules. Furthermore, if the damn thing was so powerful, Tendou would have taken more advantage of it in the series. Hyper Kabuto is nothing but big talk and fluff with no substance.

It is irrelevant. We know through specific examples what the Hyper Zector is capable of, canonically reversing time as well as literally pulling itself from an earlier point in time after it's destruction.

It doesn't matter how much you find him to be underdeveloped or "Fluff" but he is not just "Big talk." We know that he can literally travel through time, and that is the biggest factor.

yeah, but that doesn't mean he wins by making sure the other guy doesn't get power. he just hindered someone who has no idea why he's taking away his power.

and he explained he sent the hyper zecter from the future to himself in the past. it didn't pull itself back together after it got destroyed he just got another one. that's not the same thing. it didn't fix itself.

Although my favourite is Hyper Kabuto, but I do accept that he is not the strongest out there, and yup, it make sense that if Hyper Clock up is so overpower, then the final boss should be piece of cake for him.. And Hyper Clock up do have limit, not that it can be activated 24/7... But still, I will still take Hyper kabuto if these 2 are gonna fare against each other, lol

@Sanobaron - Agito is cool, the only downside is that it needs the sunlight as well... lol

again, Agito's final form is still technically growing when you understand how the power of Agito works.

like, he might be able to jump straight INTO shining someday. Shining might even become his ground form. his power is beyond what evolution could ever hope to produce.

@Sanobaron-well, that might be possible, who knows, haha

- Back to Hyper Kabuto, he did face difficulties when faced with opponent who can stop time, so 000 Super Tatoba combo will have the advantage tho....

I'm not saying that's what makes Kabuto all powerful. I'm just saying that Kabuto's ability isn't fluff and filler. We know how strong he is.

Excuse me, I misremembered Kabuto. My bad.
Point is, though. It comes from a different point in time.

basically we can say hyper tatoba just cancels the time powers out.
because isn't that what it's main power is?

ultimate kuuga powerwise, strongest stats in KR, not counting rising ultimate cause it's dumb. wth shadowmoon > rising ultimate??
hyper kabuto, is the one that should be reckoned with, tendou himself is already OP, plus the ability to time travel and stop time, did I mention that he push a meteorite by himself??

We have an idea as to how strong Hyper Form eventually becomes, I suppose. It's just a cop-out that we never actually got to experience Tendou reach that point himself within the series. It just kept throwing us a bone about the potential of the Hyper Zecter and then it never amounted to anything in the main timeline of the show.

That's my problem with Hyper Form. Yes, I'm sure we know how powerful it is. But we barely saw the extent of it's power in action.

Personally, I don't think Hyper Kabuto is necessarily more powerful overall than some of the other final forms, but the strongest power he does have negates most of the other Riders' abilities.

unless Tendou is doing Ekko maneuvers, then Tendou isn't really winning the battle with time travel.
just making it to where the battle doesn't happen in the first place.

Also we don't technically know the effects of the time travel. it's like going back and killing hitler, you could end up making everything worse. Like if Tendou got rid of W's driver then accel would be the only standing rider against The Museum and potentially screwing over Fuuto and possibly za warudo.I feel like that is a good counter for thinking that time travel beats everyone because you could screw everything up. and if he tries to do something like Mai tried to he could just end up locked in a never ending time travel fiasco trying to stop his past self. Aside from that for me it's hard to say but I would say either kiwami or tridoron because you have all the previous powers in one.

Yup, no matter how much I like Hyper Kabuto, to me the one who has all the power/abilities like time travel, teleport, telekinesis, and much more is Gaim Kiwami who obtained Golden fruit, so basically I do agree that at the moment Gaim Kiwami > all riders at the moment, but so be it, Hyper Kabuto all the way!!!

All this talk of time travel and godmodding, and somehow everyone forgot THIS guy.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130806214337

And before anyone says he doesn't count- Ren used the Odin deck ( or rather, the other way around) in an SIC story. It counts.

hahahaha, yup, true enough, but hey guys, chill, no matter how powerful gaim/kabuto/kuuga is, do remember we have drive now, we dont know anythiing about drive special type yet, who knows what will happen, and I admit I forgot, Tridoron sure is fast enough to go against Hyper Kabuto

oh ya, Kiwami can change itself into gas/light form, which make him invulnerable to attack, zzzz, cheating.... like what we saw in episode 43, he destroyed the inves in that form, so I guess he just need to stay in that form and when hyper clock up is over, i guess, that's it? LOL, too many thoughts and simulation that i can cook up

But Ren beat Odin, technically. He can't be that powerful.

Then again, we've got no idea what kind of power he'd have with the Survive card he never used.

Right, but that's because Odin's "user" was distracted. Ren was barely holding his own that whole fight. The only time Odin was ever actually hit was because Shinji managed to pull an MK9 and send a single, short, cryptic message back to himself, and then when Odin LET the other guy win.

The Odin deck is for all practical purposes unbeatable.

Wow wow wow, Kuuga rising ultimate maximum running speed is 100m per 1 second, dat is goddamn fast......

Rising Ultimate was BS, simply becaue Ultimate was already freakishly strong and is stated as the greatest power. It is technically impossible for this form to even exist. But then again... it's an invention made for Decade, so of course it would be BS.

Haha, I guess the strongest rider out there is not Gaim kiwami or Hyper Kabuto, or Drive tridoron, but its this monster instead, normal punch and kick power rated close to 100 ton, wow, i dont know about rising ultimate kick, i cant imagine the power anymore, Kuuga rising ultimate > all riders, thumbs up!

Well, now that I think about it, can't Gaim just make a backup of himself and come back every time he is defeated?

Let's see:
- Stronger's charge-up requires you to be a human tesla coil pretty much so no thanks. I like my hands just the way they are.

- Ultimate has a high possibility of making you evil so no thanks.

- Shining requires you to be a human volcano so no thanks. Plus, you need to also survive a rainstorm on a boat and get your memory lost for a good period of time.

- Survive sucks if you don't have a mirror.

- Blaster? Do I really want to gamble my life away for a shot at being a walking feature phone?

- King Form? Last thing I want to be doing after gaining immortality is get chased by a piece of slate and cockroaches.

- Armed? Seriously, catching and using a Jigglypuff would be super effective.

- Hyper. Tempting, but it looks like a glorified pager and is of no use if you don't have a zector at all. And zectors are the ultimate tsunderes who are stuck-up and are virtually mechanical snobs.

- Liner. Good thing is that the fairy tale themed apparitions are kicked out and stuffed into a sword. The bad part is that it's Plat Form 2.0... Yeah.

- Emperor. Not likely since I am not a fangire and that bat would kill me if he sank his teeth into my hand.

- Complete. This probably gets my vote but does not because I don't want Narutaki chasing me around like a groupie.

- CJX. Where's Phil?

- Putotyra. I probably could do more damage with an evangelion.

- Cosmic. Goku's spirit bomb is more tempting.

- Infinite. Too risky. I have to ALMOST DESPAIR so I can transform into an expensive ring pop? No thanks.

- Kiwami. Too many responsibilities taking care of digimon rejects and playing farm games on a distant universe.

- Type Trideron. I probably would get motion sickness.


Okay, enough complaining from me.
I probably would have to go with Stronger's charge-up because it's simple and I can probably generate my own electricity and save up a lot of money when it comes to electric bills.

*edit: I got Climax and Liner mixed up so re-wrote that.

I think you missed the bit where Charge-Up kills you if you don't use up all the excess electricity within 30 seconds.

Eh, guess it means that I will be performing 30-second fireworks shows like I was this guy then when needed.

http://i0.wp.com/avoiderdragon.com/w...thor.jpg?w=760

Huh? Sunred has actually focused on the downsides of every single power up in kamen rider then complained about it. Kinda like cinemasins does except sun has good reasons for the majority.

Anywho, I would say either kiwami arms or putotyra are best in my book. Kiwami arms because I can become a freaking god and putotyra well who doesn't want dinosaur powers and also I like it's design.

I humbly accept your compliment. :lolol

Never before have I laughed at the sake of Kamen Rider...you Sun are devious and I freakin love it!