Kamen Rider Ghost Episode 47- "Concord! Everyone's Resolve" Discussion
 

Takeru and Adel are actually bonding over their shared conflicts, until a sudden revelation sets everyone on the path to battle.

Well, I lost the poll bet.

So.....Ryu Tenkuji is killed by Adel....hm....not suprising....

But....thats can make Takeru supprising and sad....

And, thats really good drama esepecially interaction between Adel and Takeru and interaction between Takeru and his friends....

Battle between Deep Specter vs Deep Specter looks confusing. I think it would be better if the real Makoto used Houdini Ghost Eyecon and become Specter Deep Houdini Damashii....

In Ganma World....Edith become Dark Ghost and he trying to connect between two Monolith from Ganma World and Monolith in human world....and Edith looks funny when he transform into Dark Ghost and his funny action.....

Edith's Dark Ghost Eyecon only say "Kaigan" without "Dark Rider! Yami no Chikara! Warui no Yatsura!" henshin sounds....strange...

Maybe this is happened because Edith is good guy....

Next episode....Makoto killed...? I think the Evil Makoto will be killed and real Makoto is still alive....

Well the episode was great but I think the real news here is the OST is coming out. Seriously can't wait to actually hear all the amazing background tracks by themselves.

Really love everything they did with Makoto this episode. His little conversation with Alain really calls attention to his character arc (stop laughing), and I really like how far they went making his fight with Not!Makoto confusing as s***. I thought it was weird when he started saying he's the "real one" while still acting like the most generic villain ever so I'm happy to see it pay off.

The stuff with everybody else was great too and I'm hecka excited to see the next episode. I like shows that save their best episode for last so if Ghost can do that it's going in my top 3 Rider shows easy. If not, it's still pretty up there. I'd like to sincerely thank all the haters here because I didn't even realize how much I love this show until you guys made me think about it a little harder.

Gramps transforming was the best part of the whole episode. The rest just made me wish Ex-Aid would come around sooner.

This is actually an ok episode of Ghost. I mean, I'm usually not a fan of Ghost but this episode seemed ok-ish. Probably because of Alain and Gramps/Sage/Edith.

The rest was just same old, same old.

This was pretty okay. I wonder what happens in the movie that Gramps gets the Dark Ghost eyecon? Also the OST, finally! Best part of the episode! :p

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with Onari. There is absolutely no reason why Takeru should be trying to save Adel. He hasn't shown a single scrap of remorse for anything he's done and there's no reason to believe that he can still be talked down at this point. He's murdered at least two people, is actively enslaving humanity, and is the only remaining obstacle preventing Takeru's resurrection. On the other hand, killing him may make Alain sad. How is this even a conversation they're still having? Just kill the fucker already.

Okay, with all that said, I'm actually starting to get into the evil Makoto plot. It's really done little but annoy me up until now, but seeing the clone start to fully embrace Makoto's personality (what very, very, very little of it there is) is actually kind of interesting. I'm actually a little curious to see where this goes (I assume Nokoto sacrifices his life to save Takeru and/or Kanon, but I hope we get something less contrived). This storyline wasn't handled very well, but it is starting to hook me a bit at the end.

I continue to have no idea what Edith's motivations are and I honestly don't even care at this point. I just really hated the comedic music they played during his sneaking scene.

Why, just why is Edith suddenly Dark Ghost? :/

(other than "because movie" of course)

For the same reason that Alain's sister was Pink Necrom: just because.

No reason except how a big underpinning of the show ever since Necrom (and arguably since Specter) showed up has been how people aren't inherently evil, just varying degrees of misguided.

He definitely hasn't shown remorse but the show's made it very clear he has to force himself really hard to be as much of an a**hole as he is. That's why he doesn't even let Alia finish her usual spiel this episode. He's worried he might start to believe it. It's also why they explicitly have him hesitate when he says "this is for the best". He's plagued by doubt and in massive denial about that fact.

Think of Adel like Micchi from Gaim. Of course, I remember people refusing to believe he'd ever get redemption of any sort either, so...

I think they've made it plenty clear he wants to save world(s), the same as everybody else. What's there to be confused about?

Yeah, but Micchi was a properly developed character from a well-written show
who had internal motivations that we understood as the audience. Adel just stands there with his Photoshop duplicates making vaguely threatening speeches to his sister. We have minimal understanding of why Adel is such a dickhole, and no "my mommy died and I feel bad" is not sufficient character background. He has done nothing to engender any sympathy from the audience and does not deserve a redemption ending. He's not Micchi or Heart; he's the principal from Fourze, who the show tried desperately to create pathos for at the last minute when he'd done nothing to merit any.

Well he was certainly a properly developed character. I still don't know about that second part.

It isn't his background you need to understand! Everything you need to know happened during the show. He was dedicated to following his father's vision of a perfect world, and because he hugely misunderstood what that meant, he felt betrayed by him and ended up deciding the only way to achieve that vision was to kill him and do it himself, the "right" way.

I'm the audience too, aren't I? I can understand why you'd feel that way, and if what Ghost is doing fundamentally doesn't click with you like that, then that's fine, but I can't stress enough that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad.

I'd stick up for Fourze's ending too, since it also makes perfect sense to the themes of the show, but I think Adel's portrayal is leagues above Gamou's. I know you don't see it, but I assure you Ghost has done a way better job with its main villain than that show.

Then surely just because you like something that doesn't mean it's good as well?

I'm sticking up for a part of a show I believe to be good, and I also happen to like that show. That's all there is to it. Switchblade is just doing the opposite, too, it's not like I'm rejecting his arguments out of hand. I'm not completely delusional. I know Ghost has tons of problems and I wouldn't be nearly as defensive of, for example, Onari or Makoto.

But ever since I rewatched Gaim I can't help but feel it and Ghost are extremely similar shows, despite outward appearances. They're both unique shows with a lot of vision plagued by the fact that they're both complete f***ing messes, writing-wise. A lot of people give Gaim a pass on that because they like it, and I give Ghost a pass on that because I like it.

EDIT: I'd also like to stress I only used that phrase because I think the subject of whether or not someone deserves forgiveness for something is inherently, massively subjective. I wouldn't dare use phrasing like that for arguing more concrete things, like plot holes or the like.

I felt a lot of Kamen Rider Jun in Edith's scenes when he transformed into Dark Ghost. But the difference here is that Edith actually did something with his suit compared to Jun who just posed for a bit. I mean sure he only helped to open the gate but he pretty much opened up the way for the final battle which is good enough for me.

As to how he got the Dark Ghost Eyecon, I mean he did give Argos the Ghost Driver and Dark Ghost Eyecon's, not to mention he's created Eyecon's before, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bunch of spares lying around.

Yeah, I instantly thought of that too. I remember seeing that suit in magazine scans and being super disappointed it got used in literally one scene, and just as a joke. I really adore the no-budget Mach look it has going. Seeing it again was probably the best part of Movie War Genesis lol.

I think this scene came off way better. Rather than just a silly gag it's Edith's big moment to shine before the end of the show. And also it's a silly gag, so it's like the best of both worlds, or something.

Yeah I feel the same, not to mention I felt like Yurusen was the voice of the audience in terms of how Edith has been during his run, and I liked how he just said, "Screw you I am useful!"

Exactly. I loved to joke during the first arc of the show how he was the crappiest mentor ever, because of how flaky he was and how he deliberately keeps Takeru in the dark about everything, so it was a nice payoff to see him actually do some real work for once, and "nice payoff" is always something you should be saying about the endgame of any show.

To this day I'm still wondering what about Takeru dying the first time made his condition so special, or how the hell Edith was able to "intercept his soul" or whatever when he died and give him a belt as well. Guess I have to wait and see what he did with Argos, as apparently he died before too.

I actually liked this episode more than the last ones only because I decided that if I have to sit through these then why not make fun of them. Here are a few things from that

Takeru being the ghost of Christmas past which honestly I would not be surprised if that was a joke
The thoughts of what if Adel was a sadistic asshole and rubbed it in how he killed Takeru's father
Adel's sister finally having a purpose which was to show us what Adel would look in drag for a quick second
Fake Makoto knowing Makoto's thoughts which I imagined Fake saying "And I also know of those thoughts you have of Kanon you sick fuck!" (if you don't get that then I point to the Grimm focused episodes)

still things I did questioned like why did they have to go to the takoyaki stand for Allen's scene?

Now I am just imagining Adel going to the mirror in the morning going like "Hmm how should more of an asshole today? Oh I know how about I go score field goals using puppies and kittens. Afterwards I will celebrate by pissing on little kids' ice cream cones for the hell of it. Now of the the animal shelter!" with the song When You're Evil playing in the background

Dude be ready because it sounds like when ever there is something that will arm fans with hate filled missiles, you will be there praising it while standing on a giant target and wearing a red shirt. Though if you are defending something like Kiva or maybe Faiz stuff like that then give me a call, I will help take some of the attacks :p

I been wondering that too since I saw the Drive Ghost Genesis movie

I don’t really see what the deal with saving Adel is either. Of course Onari’s blunt "He killed the master so let’s kill him" isn’t logical, but with anything Adel displayed to our heroes so far it’s foolish to assume he’s coming around eventually. You’re risking countless lives as well as your own on a feeling that a mad man might follow your call to reason. And what is it based on? Him having some happy memories? Come on, that’s stupid.

Hell, even Alain wants to kill Adel now, so the "It would make Alain sad"-excuse is not valid either. Alain already dealt with it.

Of course it will happen and everyone will be like "Takeru you so cool" (after he comes back from yet another faked death scene of course) and I will grind my teeth because it’s crap. But it’s what Ghost does best, so why should I be surprised that they end the show with more of it.

I think if they had Adel go through more of an evolution instead of dickhead –> psychopath he would’ve been more believable, similarly to how Alain was handled. Alain is probably the best character in the entire show, but Adel is just a weak cliché villain.

Hey, I don't go out of my way to have unpopular opinions, it just happens an awful lot. I totally would defend Kiva or Faiz, too... :(

It's based on their Faith that despite all the Rage and Sorrow consuming him, their feelings will reach him and he'll be able to listen to his heart and change for the better. Infinite Potential™, remember?

Sure it's stupid but can't you at least give the show credit for having every single element of the plot throughout the entire show all build up to this?

He doesn't want to, he thinks he has to. The distinction there is really important.

I just really disagree with that. Sure it would've been nice to have a more visible arc but I think the only way you could call him "just" (because obviously he is pretty stock) a cliché villain is if you've been taking everything he says at face value the entire time. There's been things as subtle as little facial expressions or line deliveries throughout the show that really flesh out his character beyond only being a crazy moron.

I completely loved this episode. To see everyone's resolve was great. Adel's revelation really brought so many emotions from everyone. That was an intriguing notion that Adel killed Ryuu and I loved Takeru's anger from it. I love his emotional distress from this because he wants to save Alain's brother but I'm sure he wants to destroy his father's killer. The Makoto vs Makoto fight was great because I had no clue which one was the real one and I love how the Makoto Replica is learning more about friends and Takeru's effect is changing him. Alain's resolve to fight against his brother was great too. Akari and Onari's emotions were great. I just loved how all the characters reacted and handling this situation. Adel continues to be crazy and he is a very intriguing villain. I can't wait for more of this ending.