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Sentai 07-10-2012 02:05 AM
Animated Henshin Hero and Sentai shows
 
Yes, I know. "Animation?! Sentai that's not Toku!" But in the words of Adam Savage "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

Now for what can be Animated Toku. Tekkaman Blade is a very good example, so is Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!, and the new Tron Uprising. He can become Tron without his disc, you know. There's also Ben 10/Alien Force/Ultimate. And Green Lantern, definately. (And the Live-Action GL movie counts as Toku. Since he needs the ring to change, and its all Live Action). So does Voltron, and we can even go old school up in this. Visionaries, Silverhawks, Thundercats, Centurions, SWAT Katz. Which is a show I dearly miss.

So what was your favorite animated Toku?

Galvantula 07-11-2012 09:12 AM
From what little of Tekkaman Blade's dub as Teknoman I saw, I enjoyed. SRMTHFG was a great show and I am a proud fan of Ben 10, with Alien Force being my favorite series with Ultimate Alien a close second. I enjoyed the original but 10-year old Ben got on my nerves a bit too much. I know what I said is considered sacrilege to a good number of Ben 10 fans, but when they became teenagers the show's world just opened up for me.

Sentai 07-11-2012 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvantula (Post 35781)
From what little of Tekkaman Blade's dub as Teknoman I saw, I enjoyed. SRMTHFG was a great show and I am proud fan of Ben 10, with Alien Force being my favorite series with Ultimate Alien a close second. I enjoyed the original but 10-year old Ben got on my nerves a bit too much. I know what I said is considered sacrilege to a good number of Ben 10 fans, but when they became teenagers the show's world just opened up for me.
10 year old Ben was grating, I agree. So was Gwen, for that matter.

ZeoRangerV 07-11-2012 09:30 AM
If you would count Green Lantern in that though, that means its fair game for any superhero cartoon.

Paladin 07-11-2012 09:35 AM
Several classic anime shows also count-

*Ronin Warriors
*Sailor Moon
*Gatchaman/G-Force/Eagle Riders
*Voltron

All teams with transformation powers.

Kiryu 07-11-2012 09:45 AM

Matrixbeast 07-11-2012 09:47 AM
Toku needs a solid definition rather than just a direct translation because everything is fucking toku as long as it has some kind of special effect -3-

Sentai 07-11-2012 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiryu (Post 35790)
Yes, more of this, yes!

Sentai 07-11-2012 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 35789)
Several classic anime shows also count-

*Ronin Warriors
*Sailor Moon
*Gatchaman/G-Force/Eagle Riders
*Voltron

All teams with transformation powers.
I miss Ronin Warriors.

Matrixbeast 07-11-2012 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 35796)
I miss Ronin Warriors.
We all do :P

coturos 07-11-2012 10:23 AM
i agree with gavantula, i thought ben-10 was awesome

ShockerCon 07-11-2012 10:31 AM
Hmm... So I guess Iron Man Armored Adventures counts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzDTt0RT7U

Sentai 07-11-2012 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShockerCon (Post 35804)
Hmm... So I guess Iron Man Armored Adventures counts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxzDTt0RT7U
Iron Man Armored Adventures completely counts.

schlagwerk 07-11-2012 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 35789)
All teams with transformation powers.
Then what about The Adventures of T-Rex? It was also a TMNT clone but the stage performing team of heroes donned color-coded power suits (complete with transformation sequence) to fight crime in a 1920-esque city populated by anthropomorphic dinosaurs.

Snaps all around.


I loved Ronin Warriors and Technoman. I never did get around to watching Tekkaman Blade or the sequel

ljacone 07-11-2012 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 35792)
Toku needs a solid definition rather than just a direct translation because everything is fucking toku as long as it has some kind of special effect -3-
Except that's the point. Tokusatsu is a medium and not a genre, same as anime. It can cover any genre as long as it is live action with special effects.

A better question would be "What's an animated henshin hero show?" or "What's an animated daikaiju show?" or the like. Henshin hero, daikaiju, etc. are genres, not mediums.

Matrixbeast 07-11-2012 01:52 PM
I would accept that if not for that fact that "Toku" is treated as a genre. Anime is sometimes considered a genre, but not often and only by the unknowing. Anime is split into sci-fi, action, etc, but Toku is considered it's own genre, even by "Toku" fans.

ljacone 07-11-2012 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 35876)
I would accept that if not for that fact that "Toku" is treated as a genre. Anime is sometimes considered a genre, but not often and only by the unknowing. Anime is split into sci-fi, action, etc, but Toku is considered it's own genre, even by "Toku" fans.
Eh, I see your point, but because some folks consider it a genre does not make it so. Maybe I'm just the stickler, but tokusatsu will remain a medium to me, just like comic books, Western animation, anime, etc.

And honestly, outside of anime otaku, pretty much all "norms" consider anime to be a genre and not a medium. My roommate in my last year in college was an otaku, and that used to drive him and his fellow anime fans insane. That doesn't make it accurate, just wide spread.

Sentai 07-11-2012 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ljacone (Post 35870)
Except that's the point. Tokusatsu is a medium and not a genre, same as anime. It can cover any genre as long as it is live action with special effects.

A better question would be "What's an animated henshin hero show?" or "What's an animated daikaiju show?" or the like. Henshin hero, daikaiju, etc. are genres, not mediums.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrixbeast (Post 35876)
I would accept that if not for that fact that "Toku" is treated as a genre. Anime is sometimes considered a genre, but not often and only by the unknowing. Anime is split into sci-fi, action, etc, but Toku is considered it's own genre, even by "Toku" fans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ljacone (Post 35900)
Eh, I see your point, but because some folks consider it a genre does not make it so. Maybe I'm just the stickler, but tokusatsu will remain a medium to me, just like comic books, Western animation, anime, etc.

And honestly, outside of anime otaku, pretty much all "norms" consider anime to be a genre and not a medium. My roommate in my last year in college was an otaku, and that used to drive him and his fellow anime fans insane. That doesn't make it accurate, just wide spread.
Except you guys all ignored the first post where I said I'm ignoring that rule about Toku, and making an appreciation thread for animated shows that fit the genre.

ZeoRangerV 07-11-2012 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 35902)
Except you guys all ignored the first post where I said I'm ignoring that rule about Toku, and making an appreciation thread for animated shows that fit the genre.
But their point is it isn't a genre, its a medium. I understand where you're going with this thread, but I can see why people are getting confused and debating what does and doesn't constitute as toku.

Matrixbeast 07-11-2012 04:03 PM
The issue comes in that you didn't give a description of what you're expecting. You gave examples.
Due to Toku's extremely vague definition, anything from The Big Bang Theory to Kamen Rider to Scrubs is Tokusatsu.
By taking Animation into account, this means that things such as "Recess" would also fall into it.
The examples of Tekkaman or Voltron isn't defining what you were looking for, just what you were expecting people to answer with.

cb1 07-11-2012 05:04 PM
hyper monkey go team got ugly robot in series
ben 10 is cool

RiderSkyward 07-11-2012 05:22 PM
If we're doing cartoons that feature some sort of giant robot/Henshin sequence then I'm going to have to say Cardcaptors and Flint the time detective. I loved those shows as a kid, and if i could get them in dvd/Bluray i would. And I guess Medabots counts, and mega man NTW and Digimon tamers (sort of)...

To derail the thread slightly,can anyone help me identify a show that's been bugging me for years? I remember watching it on fox kids, I think, where a man could sort of transform into what I think was like a red ninja/samurai by absorbing cards. And his allies also became cards if they died and he could absorb them too to gain different powers etc. Any ideas anyone?

Matrixbeast 07-11-2012 05:23 PM
Shinzo?

RiderSkyward 07-11-2012 05:38 PM
Goes and googles/youtubes Shinzo...

Yes! That's the one, cheers matrixbeast. I'll have to check out some episodes, seems there's a few on YouTube, ahhh nostalgia.

Sentai 07-11-2012 08:11 PM
Since you've, some of you've, wanted a clear definition of what I mean.

Any animated series where the hero/heroine transform in some way shape or form.

Voltron
Sailor Moon
He-Man
Cardcaptors, I'll allow.
TekkaMan Blade/Technoman

Things like this. Tron: Uprising counts to. Since he uses half of Tron's disc to become the new Tron.

And because it's an awesome show worthy of god-worship.

Kiryu 07-11-2012 11:32 PM
Would Saint Seiya and Saint Seiya Omega be considered Anime Toku?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmivufB_DaI

ShockerCon 10-15-2012 07:37 PM

Sentai 10-15-2012 07:42 PM
I saw that on Netflix. And was surprised how many episodes there were of Code. I remember.. like four.

coturos 10-15-2012 07:46 PM

Blade Raider 10-16-2012 02:39 AM
Here is the definition people:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
Tokusatsu (特撮?) is a Japanese term that applies to any live-action film or television drama that usually features superheroes and makes considerable use of special effects (tokusatsu literally translates as "special filming" in Japanese).
"Animated Tokusatsu" is an oxymoron. Like anime, we only count what's Japanese with some expections as it refers to the Japanese productions more than anything else. All of the shows listed here belong in categories that do include Kamen Rider (Henshin Hero), Super Sentai (team/stike force/squadron aka sentai), and Godzilla (Ever monster thing ever), but not in Tokusatsu unless it's live action.

Just to drive the point home, here's the definitions for Henshin Hero and Sentai from TV Tropes. Take a look at the links to. You'll find nearly every show mentioned here listed under one of these two.

Henshin Hero:
Quote:
The Henshin Hero is a variation or subtrope of the Super Hero in which super-powered characters only have their special powers some of the time. A Henshin Hero has distinct normal and powered "forms," and needs to actively switch between the two. In essence, the character's powers are all turned off while he or she is in his Secret Identity.

Henshin Heroes often have a special item which they use to change into their heroic form. These items are usually activated by a command phrase, triggering a Transformation Sequence.

The transformation is frequently accompanied by a costume change. This gives the trope some overlap with Clothes Make the Superman: many male Henshin Heroes wear power-armor of some kind, and their transformation allows them to don their armor almost instantly. Bonus points if the change of clothing is the only outward difference, but nobody notices.

The name comes from the Japanese term for the trope, henshin (literally meaning "change body" but more practically translated as "transformation" or "metamorphosis" ... and not to be confused with the Shapeshifting or Metamorphosis tropes).
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HenshinHero

Sentai:
Quote:
Superheroes, Japanese style. The word can be translated as "Task Force" or "Squadron." Usually come in teams, with color-keyed uniforms and a range of personalities/roles that usually follows some variation on the Five-Man Band. Known for their synchronized posing.

Not strictly limited to anime — there have been innumerable live action Sentai series in Japan, most notably Super Sentai, the series which was re-edited into Power Rangers in the United States, and 2003's Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon.

A very western form of Sentai is to feature five teenagers recieving powers, with a transformation, i.e. it doesn't have to involve color-coding, or full body suits.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sentai

Bottomline: This thread is asking for animated Henshin Heroes and animated Sentai, not Tokusatsu. Is that so hard?

RiderSkyward 10-16-2012 02:42 AM
Eh, changed my mind =p

Ignore me, move along...

Unless someone wants to recommend a good 'henshin hero' animated show thing =p

Sentai 10-16-2012 02:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 61159)
Here is the definition people:


"Animated Tokusatsu" is an oxymoron. Like anime, we only count what's Japanese with some expections as it refers to the Japanese productions more than anything else. All of the shows listed here belong in categories that do include Kamen Rider (Henshin Hero), Super Sentai (team/stike force/squadron aka sentai), and Godzilla (Ever monster thing ever), but not in Tokusatsu unless it's live action.

Just to drive the point home, here's the definitions for Henshin Hero and Sentai from TV Tropes. Take a look at the links to. You'll find nearly every show mentioned here listed under one of these two.

Henshin Hero:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HenshinHero

Sentai:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sentai

Bottomline: This thread is asking for animated Henshin Heroes and animated Sentai, not Tokusatsu. Is that so hard?
I think that was uncalled for. We all know it's not real Toku, according to the definition. But we were still enjoying ourselves discussing the subject. No reason to just come down on everyone like that, Blade.

Blade Raider 10-16-2012 02:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 61161)
I think that was uncalled for. We all know it's not real Toku, according to the definition. But we were still enjoying ourselves discussing the subject. No reason to just come down on everyone like that, Blade.
I didn't mean it to be harsh. However, if we are going to classify these things, then let's classify them by what they are, not by what they can never be without changing mediums.

Sentai 10-16-2012 03:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blade Raider (Post 61163)
I didn't mean it to be harsh. However, if we are going to classify these things, then let's classify them by what they are, not by what they can never be without changing mediums.
And all of this was already covered earlier in the thread.

ArmorhideMB2 10-16-2012 03:06 AM
im saying this now, if voltron counts as a "animed toku" than so dose every other super robot anime. voltes V, godmars, getter robot, daltains and so on

Blade Raider 10-16-2012 03:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentai (Post 61164)
And all of this was already covered earlier in the thread.
Enjoy your confusing thread of contradiction. I'm out.

ZeoRangerV 10-16-2012 03:49 AM
Thread title changed to avoid any more discussion of what does and doesn't constitute as tokusatsu. Back on topic people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by coturos (Post 61094)
anyone?
*Casshern Sins*
While I'd say Casshern classifies as a henshin hero, Sins never really sold it to me. He barely transforms (a lot of the fight scenes he had the mask off), and the majority of the show is confusing and him walking around talking to strangers about how bleak the end of the world is :lol

Sentai 10-16-2012 03:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV (Post 61170)
Thread title changed to avoid any more discussion of what does and doesn't constitute as tokusatsu. Back on topic people.



While I'd say Casshern classifies as a henshin hero, Sins never really sold it to me. He barely transforms (a lot of the fight scenes he had the mask off), and the majority of the show is confusing and him walking around talking to strangers about how bleak the end of the world is :lol
Thanks Zeo!

And Casshern... I'm with you. He spends more time being emo, and talking about the world is ending because he killed Luna, than actually doing anything. And the plot makes no sense.

coturos 10-16-2012 10:55 AM
well i did hear the sins is acually a totally different plot than the original anime and the anime was way more "toku"ish

Blade Raider 10-16-2012 10:58 AM
I know very little about Casshern. I only know that fans of the franchise hate Sins for being nothing like the rest of the franchise.

Oh yeah, and there's a live action movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9fGI90qdM


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